Bench Racing | Southwick National The Motos

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6/28/2025 2:18pm Edited Date/Time 6/28/2025 2:24pm

Going to be a long few years for all but Jett fans. 

Just catching up watching races. Jett makes it look so easy. So smoooth! 

Eli’s bike does not look good to me (I know nothing…). The rear end looks like a pogo stick and the bike pivots front to back a lot. The back of Jett’s bike looks numb in comparison. The fender just sits there and the tire does all the moving and the bike stays much more level on average.

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Jesús dude.  Go back to your McDonald’s job. How pathetic are you.  

Lol, because I see through a fake persona??And let's be clear, I actually like AP. Dude is always smiling and has a great personality naturally. It's...

Lol, because I see through a fake persona??

And let's be clear, I actually like AP. Dude is always smiling and has a great personality naturally. It's why I get annoyed when he fakes this cowboy persona to appeal to a certain demographic

Tomac is an actual cowboy yet you don't see him acting like that

Edit: it's also very telling you feel the need to insult me personally instead of sticking to the topic. Almost like you have no actual rebuttal to what I'm saying

 

It's the hat...its magic.  I'm out fellas.  Headed to the SX races...gawd its miserable hot out there.  Think I'll rock my cawboya hat and pretend.🙃

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You cant just work harder to beat a guy whos also working hard and more talented than you

When the chequers fly...we'll know.😉

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JJO741 wrote:

Outdoors has been very disappointing this year. Jett and Haiden are just on another level from their competition. 

Plenty of riders are hanging it out not for a win but to place as high as possible.  The entire race footage isn’t just Jett and Haidan cruising.  Whatever you get to see of the leaders is worth appreciating the next level skill and see how it is that they can lap most of the other riders.  They are doing something different.

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PRM31 wrote:
Going to be a long few years for all but Jett fans. Just catching up watching races. Jett makes it look so easy. So smoooth! Eli’s bike does...

Going to be a long few years for all but Jett fans. 

Just catching up watching races. Jett makes it look so easy. So smoooth! 

Eli’s bike does not look good to me (I know nothing…). The rear end looks like a pogo stick and the bike pivots front to back a lot. The back of Jett’s bike looks numb in comparison. The fender just sits there and the tire does all the moving and the bike stays much more level on average.

That’s the price you pay for trying to move the track underneath you instead of floating on top of it.

Tomac would gain more from riding smarter instead of harder.

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PRM31 wrote:
Going to be a long few years for all but Jett fans. Just catching up watching races. Jett makes it look so easy. So smoooth! Eli’s bike does...

Going to be a long few years for all but Jett fans. 

Just catching up watching races. Jett makes it look so easy. So smoooth! 

Eli’s bike does not look good to me (I know nothing…). The rear end looks like a pogo stick and the bike pivots front to back a lot. The back of Jett’s bike looks numb in comparison. The fender just sits there and the tire does all the moving and the bike stays much more level on average.

I made the same observation.  Even if you are really good in sand it’s hard to not constantly fish tail especially at Southwick and i have never seen someone stay straight and not have lots of moments to try and stay on the gas as the only hope.

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6/28/2025 2:35pm Edited Date/Time 6/28/2025 2:36pm
PRM31 wrote:
Going to be a long few years for all but Jett fans. Just catching up watching races. Jett makes it look so easy. So smoooth! Eli’s bike does...

Going to be a long few years for all but Jett fans. 

Just catching up watching races. Jett makes it look so easy. So smoooth! 

Eli’s bike does not look good to me (I know nothing…). The rear end looks like a pogo stick and the bike pivots front to back a lot. The back of Jett’s bike looks numb in comparison. The fender just sits there and the tire does all the moving and the bike stays much more level on average.

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That’s the price you pay for trying to move the track underneath you instead of floating on top of it.Tomac would gain more from riding smarter...

That’s the price you pay for trying to move the track underneath you instead of floating on top of it.

Tomac would gain more from riding smarter instead of harder.

To prove Tomac isn’t too old he has the fitness to bull dog his way around the track taking whatever line he ends up in which is usually the Southwick strategy anyway.  Tomac may lose time not taking the best line but his pace is fast enough to still podium.  Jett and Hunter have some kind of other plan that’s working better.

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PRM31 wrote:
Going to be a long few years for all but Jett fans. Just catching up watching races. Jett makes it look so easy. So smoooth! Eli’s bike does...

Going to be a long few years for all but Jett fans. 

Just catching up watching races. Jett makes it look so easy. So smoooth! 

Eli’s bike does not look good to me (I know nothing…). The rear end looks like a pogo stick and the bike pivots front to back a lot. The back of Jett’s bike looks numb in comparison. The fender just sits there and the tire does all the moving and the bike stays much more level on average.

Tumic wrote:
That’s the price you pay for trying to move the track underneath you instead of floating on top of it.Tomac would gain more from riding smarter...

That’s the price you pay for trying to move the track underneath you instead of floating on top of it.

Tomac would gain more from riding smarter instead of harder.

You should become his coach. A guy who’s one of the best riders in our time and won a ton of races and championships could certainly use your assistance. 

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6/28/2025 2:37pm

Top 3 on the podium discussing their own personal issues with donkeys during the press conference was not on my bingo card today. 

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You should become his coach. A guy who’s one of the best riders in our time and won a ton of races and championships could certainly...

You should become his coach. A guy who’s one of the best riders in our time and won a ton of races and championships could certainly use your assistance. 

Same guy gets beat by less experienced riders. If what you are doing don’t working you clearly needs to try something else… 


Sorry for stating the obvious about your hero.

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agn5008 wrote:
You should become his coach. A guy who’s one of the best riders in our time and won a ton of races and championships could certainly...

You should become his coach. A guy who’s one of the best riders in our time and won a ton of races and championships could certainly use your assistance. 

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Same guy gets beat by less experienced riders. If what you are doing don’t working you clearly needs to try something else… Sorry for stating the obvious...

Same guy gets beat by less experienced riders. If what you are doing don’t working you clearly needs to try something else… 


Sorry for stating the obvious about your hero.

Tomac has had one of the best careers and he could have still won a lot more showing how rare it is that the select riders can go on win streaks.  Being Bruce Banner playing it safe sometimes kept him in the game and not creating enemies.

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Bench racing on vital: "he's not a cowboy" 

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6/28/2025 3:06pm Edited Date/Time 6/28/2025 3:07pm
Farmer J wrote:

Bench racing on vital: "he's not a cowboy" 

I called it the minute they did the segment on him being a cowboy before moto 1. "hE's nOT A rEAl cOWbOy!!" 

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6/28/2025 3:12pm Edited Date/Time 6/28/2025 3:13pm
Farmer J wrote:

Bench racing on vital: "he's not a cowboy" 

I called it the minute they did the segment on him being a cowboy before moto 1. "hE's nOT A rEAl cOWbOy!!" 

I mean he's not a real cowboy so what? People that dress like rappers aren't real rappers. Ive worn western boots or what people call cowboy boots for 20 years. Im not a cowboy. I don't really get why people get worked up over this stuff. Especially on a motocross forum where people are supposedly so tough. Its like middle school kids arguing.

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Moto Braap wrote:
Tomac has had one of the best careers and he could have still won a lot more showing how rare it is that the select riders...

Tomac has had one of the best careers and he could have still won a lot more showing how rare it is that the select riders can go on win streaks.  Being Bruce Banner playing it safe sometimes kept him in the game and not creating enemies.

Tomac is facing a new level of competition with first Sexton in 2022 and now Jett (and to be fair Hunter). Looking at the points standing the talk will soon be between Hunter and Eli about second place, not Eli and Jett for the title.


My point is that he is now racing guys with a high level of fitness that ride the motorcycle more efficiently than what he does.

So how is he gonna beat them by wasting more energy than them and riding even more aggressive?. He could get away with it against his old competitors but things has changed. 

Look at it as MC could not get away with his talent when RC changed the game of training in the sport. Now Eli struggle to get away with being the fittest rider on track when he races someone that rides the bike better.

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plowboy wrote:

Deegan vs Jett is gonna be nasty.

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Yup, if Deegs isn’t as fast as Jett I think he’ll just work harder like RC did and bridge whatever gap is there. At least outdoor. 

You cant just work harder to beat a guy whos also working hard and more talented than you

Ricky did it with Reedy and Stew. 

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6/28/2025 3:29pm
Farmer J wrote:

Bench racing on vital: "he's not a cowboy" 

I called it the minute they did the segment on him being a cowboy before moto 1. "hE's nOT A rEAl cOWbOy!!" 

Farmer J wrote:
I mean he's not a real cowboy so what? People that dress like rappers aren't real rappers. Ive worn western boots or what people call cowboy...

I mean he's not a real cowboy so what? People that dress like rappers aren't real rappers. Ive worn western boots or what people call cowboy boots for 20 years. Im not a cowboy. I don't really get why people get worked up over this stuff. Especially on a motocross forum where people are supposedly so tough. Its like middle school kids arguing.

Yup, I couldn't imagine giving it a second thought. Lots of guys on Vital worried about the integrity of actual cowboys apparently 

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TheMilkman wrote:

Top 3 on the podium discussing their own personal issues with donkeys during the press conference was not on my bingo card today. 

The hunter bros and Tomac definitely vibing together, always cool to see. They just seem like huge fans of each other which makes it even better

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Buying horses for your daughter does not, in fact, make you a cowboy. Maybe we should revisit the definition:Cowboy - noun1. a man, typically one on...

Buying horses for your daughter does not, in fact, make you a cowboy. Maybe we should revisit the definition:

Cowboy - noun

1. a man, typically one on horseback, who herds and tends cattle, especially in the western US and as represented in westerns and novels.

Does AP herd cattle? Hell, does he even own cattle? Because I believe the answer is no

When did AP claim to be a cowboy?  He found a persona he's comfortable with, fans dig it, and he's cool to the fans.  

Don't see how anyone could have a problem with AP. 

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Tomac is facing a new level of competition with first Sexton in 2022 and now Jett (and to be fair Hunter). Looking at the points standing...

Tomac is facing a new level of competition with first Sexton in 2022 and now Jett (and to be fair Hunter). Looking at the points standing the talk will soon be between Hunter and Eli about second place, not Eli and Jett for the title.


My point is that he is now racing guys with a high level of fitness that ride the motorcycle more efficiently than what he does.

So how is he gonna beat them by wasting more energy than them and riding even more aggressive?. He could get away with it against his old competitors but things has changed. 

Look at it as MC could not get away with his talent when RC changed the game of training in the sport. Now Eli struggle to get away with being the fittest rider on track when he races someone that rides the bike better.

He's aged, dumbshit. 

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When did AP claim to be a cowboy?  He found a persona he's comfortable with, fans dig it, and he's cool to the fans.  Don't see...

When did AP claim to be a cowboy?  He found a persona he's comfortable with, fans dig it, and he's cool to the fans.  

Don't see how anyone could have a problem with AP. 

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Lol, come on man. He's called himself a cowboy many times. Pretty sure he's worn it as a butt patch too. He hasn't exactly been subtle with this fake persona 😂

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 Lol, come on man. He's called himself a cowboy many times. Pretty sure he's worn it as a butt patch too. He hasn't exactly been subtle...
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Lol, come on man. He's called himself a cowboy many times. Pretty sure he's worn it as a butt patch too. He hasn't exactly been subtle with this fake persona 😂

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Dam brother this has you that worked up in the bench racing thread. Maybe I should tell my neighbor to not refer to me as cowboy anymore because....NATEDAWG SAID SO!!! Stone cold voice. 

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6/28/2025 4:04pm Edited Date/Time 6/28/2025 4:04pm
Farmer J wrote:
Dam brother this has you that worked up in the bench racing thread. Maybe I should tell my neighbor to not refer to me as cowboy...

Dam brother this has you that worked up in the bench racing thread. Maybe I should tell my neighbor to not refer to me as cowboy anymore because....NATEDAWG SAID SO!!! Stone cold voice. 

My man, I made one comment about it when the broadcast did another bit about the "Cowboy" like they do every week now. Everyone else got bent out of shape because I said something slightly negative about their favorite fake cowboy

Heaven forbid I tell y'all the truth about Larry the Cable Guy next 🤣

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6/28/2025 4:05pm
971_Fan wrote:
When did AP claim to be a cowboy?  He found a persona he's comfortable with, fans dig it, and he's cool to the fans.  Don't see...

When did AP claim to be a cowboy?  He found a persona he's comfortable with, fans dig it, and he's cool to the fans.  

Don't see how anyone could have a problem with AP. 

 Lol, come on man. He's called himself a cowboy many times. Pretty sure he's worn it as a butt patch too. He hasn't exactly been subtle...
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Lol, come on man. He's called himself a cowboy many times. Pretty sure he's worn it as a butt patch too. He hasn't exactly been subtle with this fake persona 😂

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Stop being a pathetic cuckold.  What is wrong with you?  You are making everybody think you’re a douchebag.  

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Stop being a pathetic cuckold.  What is wrong with you?  You are making everybody think you’re a douchebag.  

Oh look, more personal insults from someone who can't form a coherent response about the topic

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6/28/2025 4:12pm

Stop being a pathetic cuckold.  What is wrong with you?  You are making everybody think you’re a douchebag.  

Oh look, more personal insults from someone who can't form a coherent response about the topic

I think my sentence was quite clear.  Stop being a cuck.  Your boyfriend will respect you more.  

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 Lol, come on man. He's called himself a cowboy many times. Pretty sure he's worn it as a butt patch too. He hasn't exactly been subtle...
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Lol, come on man. He's called himself a cowboy many times. Pretty sure he's worn it as a butt patch too. He hasn't exactly been subtle with this fake persona 😂

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He's not claiming to be a cowboy. He's using the term, 'cowboy' colloquially since it's become a part of his persona. 

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6/28/2025 4:13pm
 Lol, come on man. He's called himself a cowboy many times. Pretty sure he's worn it as a butt patch too. He hasn't exactly been subtle...
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Lol, come on man. He's called himself a cowboy many times. Pretty sure he's worn it as a butt patch too. He hasn't exactly been subtle with this fake persona 😂

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Give it up already 😂😂🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

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6/28/2025 4:17pm
To those saying stuff like Eli is washed, didn’t know getting on the overall podium was washed, he used to have races that were a lot...

To those saying stuff like Eli is washed, didn’t know getting on the overall podium was washed, he used to have races that were a lot worse position wise than today. Maybe being a consistent podium guy with moto wins and overalls here and there is his new normal.

At the end of the day Tomac is second in points. Which is still very impressive. No matter what vital says. 

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I think my sentence was quite clear.  Stop being a cuck.  Your boyfriend will respect you more.  

Boy you are doing a lot of projecting here 😂 I'm not the one simping for a fake persona, lol

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