Statement from Rich Taylor (LACR Lawsuit)

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mxxcdez wrote:
You have the right to take legal action if you believe you’ve been wronged. That’s how the system works. Suing isn’t illegal, whether you agree with...

You have the right to take legal action if you believe you’ve been wronged. That’s how the system works. Suing isn’t illegal, whether you agree with it or not. Just like Mirtl has every right to defend himself over allegations of theft, others have the right to file a suit to prove it. That’s what due process is, innocent until proven guilty. Nothing about this situation was illegal. If you can’t accept that, maybe give back any class action settlement you’ve ever received. After all, that’s the same legal system at work. And by the way, every time you receive a payout from Apple, they recoup it in the cost of my iPhone.

Noone said you acted illegally, the claim is that you acted in your own self interest to screw over a facility in a tight nit community.

Now you're trying to justify your actions after the slighted community turned their back on your business.    

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mxxcdez wrote:
A "payday" is not what I read on Page 1, it was a recoup of expenses, seems pretty fair to me. Why didn't LACR or the...

A "payday" is not what I read on Page 1, it was a recoup of expenses, seems pretty fair to me. Why didn't LACR or the promoter coordinate or setup a Gofundme or a ride day to help out, especially to help out an "industry" person's son with substantial injuries? Did they turn a blind eye to the situation? I don't know, do you? It's starting to sound like LACR is milking donations as I posed the unanswered questions before and they're milking an 8 yeard old story. What about their latest lawsuits? I know other tracks had and have some going on with other notable people inside and outside of the industry. Why don't look them up and bitch them out? Again, here are some unanswered questions you should be asking if you REALLY want LACR to reopen, see below.

"Also, what is LACR doing with the donated money???? Why haven't they reformed their business? Why are they still using the Barbacovi name? They should move on and rename if they really want to reopen. I find it fascinating that no one else is asking these questions. You can continue to blindly donate money "hoping" they will reopen. I would be asking what are they going do to with the money and why haven't they done what other tracks have done to reopen? I know of other tracks that have reopened under new ownership and become AMA sanctioned."

I don't really care man, this thread isn't about what LACR has done. It's about an industry insider and owner of a popular company who sued a race track because his kid is a shitty rider and got whiskey throttle off of a berm.  

Period.

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6/13/2025 11:54am
mxxcdez wrote:
A "payday" is not what I read on Page 1, it was a recoup of expenses, seems pretty fair to me. Why didn't LACR or the...

A "payday" is not what I read on Page 1, it was a recoup of expenses, seems pretty fair to me. Why didn't LACR or the promoter coordinate or setup a Gofundme or a ride day to help out, especially to help out an "industry" person's son with substantial injuries? Did they turn a blind eye to the situation? I don't know, do you? It's starting to sound like LACR is milking donations as I posed the unanswered questions before and they're milking an 8 yeard old story. What about their latest lawsuits? I know other tracks had and have some going on with other notable people inside and outside of the industry. Why don't look them up and bitch them out? Again, here are some unanswered questions you should be asking if you REALLY want LACR to reopen, see below.

"Also, what is LACR doing with the donated money???? Why haven't they reformed their business? Why are they still using the Barbacovi name? They should move on and rename if they really want to reopen. I find it fascinating that no one else is asking these questions. You can continue to blindly donate money "hoping" they will reopen. I would be asking what are they going do to with the money and why haven't they done what other tracks have done to reopen? I know of other tracks that have reopened under new ownership and become AMA sanctioned."

Its people like you that are the problem. Why didn't they realize the track was too dangerous before they rode it? Why didn't they realize the track was too dangerous after they rode it? They should've packed up. Why didn't he understand the waiver he signed? Why didn't he setup a go fund me himself? I'm sure people would have donated. Lacr probably didn't do any of that because the guy sued them. I don't know the owners but I'm sure they wouldn't have any problem doing a ride day. Geez. Hey why did McDonald's serve hot coffee that got spilled on someone and burned them? Literally same kind of thinking. 

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mxxcdez wrote:
Making a living from an industry doesn't absolve a track from getting out of situation they either overlooked or were complicit in. Also, what is LACR...

Making a living from an industry doesn't absolve a track from getting out of situation they either overlooked or were complicit in. Also, what is LACR doing with the donated money???? Why haven't they reformed their business? Why are they still using the Barbacovi name? They should move on and rename if they really want to reopen. I find it fascinating that no one else is asking these questions. You can continue to blindly donate money "hoping" they will reopen. I would be asking what are they going do to with the money and why haven't they done what other tracks have done to reopen? I know of other tracks that have reopened under new ownership and become AMA sanctioned. You clearly don't want to help solve their problems so people can ride at LACR again. It's pretty shitty to lead people on when they have turned away help from others. You ony want to verbally berate people so you can feel tough and heard. 

LungButter wrote:
How is it LACRs fault for overlooking something but Rich (likely you) has no responsibility for it when he let his kid race on the track...

How is it LACRs fault for overlooking something but Rich (likely you) has no responsibility for it when he let his kid race on the track all day?

How can you say that LACR was complicit but not Rich?

If it was so fucking dangerous, shouldn't Rich have not let his kid race?  You'd think given that he's made his entire career in the motocross industry that he'd be fucking smart enough to see something so dangerous right?

Bottom line, dude saw a chance for a pay day and took it.  America would be so much better off without people like that.

 

mxxcdez wrote:
A "payday" is not what I read on Page 1, it was a recoup of expenses, seems pretty fair to me. Why didn't LACR or the...

A "payday" is not what I read on Page 1, it was a recoup of expenses, seems pretty fair to me. Why didn't LACR or the promoter coordinate or setup a Gofundme or a ride day to help out, especially to help out an "industry" person's son with substantial injuries? Did they turn a blind eye to the situation? I don't know, do you? It's starting to sound like LACR is milking donations as I posed the unanswered questions before and they're milking an 8 yeard old story. What about their latest lawsuits? I know other tracks had and have some going on with other notable people inside and outside of the industry. Why don't look them up and bitch them out? Again, here are some unanswered questions you should be asking if you REALLY want LACR to reopen, see below.

"Also, what is LACR doing with the donated money???? Why haven't they reformed their business? Why are they still using the Barbacovi name? They should move on and rename if they really want to reopen. I find it fascinating that no one else is asking these questions. You can continue to blindly donate money "hoping" they will reopen. I would be asking what are they going do to with the money and why haven't they done what other tracks have done to reopen? I know of other tracks that have reopened under new ownership and become AMA sanctioned."

classic deflection.

Is there an acceptable amount of money to extract from a track and still expect people to support your goggle company?

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There’s a few ppl on here saying what about rich and his brand and taking away from his family, well what about all the track crew and workers at LACR that are out of work because of Rich Taylor?

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mxxcdez wrote:
I'm probably a better human than you. I've read plenty of your vitriol & hateful remarks to make that assumption. I also don't live my life...

I'm probably a better human than you. I've read plenty of your vitriol & hateful remarks to make that assumption. I also don't live my life as angry and hateful as some here. Many threads in this forum are pretty trashy at times. Between hating on RC, Lawrences, Bubba (back in the day), Supercross, Pulp, Feld, DC, MXSports, etc, etc and the single one liners "fuck that guy," someone would think this sport is total trash sometimes. Everyone wonders why we aren't getting big outside sponsors? I would be willing to bet some executive or one of their research minions does a little market research or poking around and they stumble across this forum and click through a few of these Topics..... Of course you can have an opinion about something but to sit behind a keyboard and perpertually bash people constantly if being a pretty shitty person. The very people that talk shit on here all day long also can't stand to get a taste of their medicine with a comment or statement and so their only response back is to continue be a shitty person. Shit + Shit = Shit

LungButter wrote:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHoly shit dawg, tell us more about how awesome you think you are.That SoCal arrogance (or is it ignorance) is why us Idaho folk hate most...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Holy shit dawg, tell us more about how awesome you think you are.

That SoCal arrogance (or is it ignorance) is why us Idaho folk hate most of the Californians that have escaped your shit hole and moved to Idaho.  Do yourself a favor, when you finally get smart enough to abandon the dump you call home, don't move to Idaho you won't like it much because some local will put you in your place real quick with that "I'm better than you" Cali Girl attitude you got.

 

mxxcdez wrote:

Thank you. Point proven.

Nah, not even a little bit. 

You think you can start a post with "I'm a better human than you" and then go on some rant about how OTHER people are judgemental? How delusional, disconnected, and arrogant do you have to be to type something like that, hit send, and then defend it even further.

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I agree that they should not have sued. What pisses me off is that these are my favorite goggles. They are smaller than other goggles and fit in my helmet better. They do not press down on the top of my nose like some others do. I am going to see if the strap will interchange with Scott or 100% goggles. Anybody tried this?


 

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LungButter wrote:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHoly shit dawg, tell us more about how awesome you think you are.That SoCal arrogance (or is it ignorance) is why us Idaho folk hate most...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Holy shit dawg, tell us more about how awesome you think you are.

That SoCal arrogance (or is it ignorance) is why us Idaho folk hate most of the Californians that have escaped your shit hole and moved to Idaho.  Do yourself a favor, when you finally get smart enough to abandon the dump you call home, don't move to Idaho you won't like it much because some local will put you in your place real quick with that "I'm better than you" Cali Girl attitude you got.

 

mxxcdez wrote:

Thank you. Point proven.

Nah, not even a little bit. You think you can start a post with "I'm a better human than you" and then go on some rant about...

Nah, not even a little bit. 

You think you can start a post with "I'm a better human than you" and then go on some rant about how OTHER people are judgemental? How delusional, disconnected, and arrogant do you have to be to type something like that, hit send, and then defend it even further.

You and I have already gone back and forth last year and agreed to disagree.  The other guy is constantly berating people as well as me and now he’s implying I’m gay, lol. You’re right I’m only saying I’m probably a better human since I don’t post the bullshit he posts and I was only responding to his initial judgement. His posting history speaks for itself. The circular and immature responses are humorous.

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LungButter wrote:
How is it LACRs fault for overlooking something but Rich (likely you) has no responsibility for it when he let his kid race on the track...

How is it LACRs fault for overlooking something but Rich (likely you) has no responsibility for it when he let his kid race on the track all day?

How can you say that LACR was complicit but not Rich?

If it was so fucking dangerous, shouldn't Rich have not let his kid race?  You'd think given that he's made his entire career in the motocross industry that he'd be fucking smart enough to see something so dangerous right?

Bottom line, dude saw a chance for a pay day and took it.  America would be so much better off without people like that.

 

mxxcdez wrote:
A "payday" is not what I read on Page 1, it was a recoup of expenses, seems pretty fair to me. Why didn't LACR or the...

A "payday" is not what I read on Page 1, it was a recoup of expenses, seems pretty fair to me. Why didn't LACR or the promoter coordinate or setup a Gofundme or a ride day to help out, especially to help out an "industry" person's son with substantial injuries? Did they turn a blind eye to the situation? I don't know, do you? It's starting to sound like LACR is milking donations as I posed the unanswered questions before and they're milking an 8 yeard old story. What about their latest lawsuits? I know other tracks had and have some going on with other notable people inside and outside of the industry. Why don't look them up and bitch them out? Again, here are some unanswered questions you should be asking if you REALLY want LACR to reopen, see below.

"Also, what is LACR doing with the donated money???? Why haven't they reformed their business? Why are they still using the Barbacovi name? They should move on and rename if they really want to reopen. I find it fascinating that no one else is asking these questions. You can continue to blindly donate money "hoping" they will reopen. I would be asking what are they going do to with the money and why haven't they done what other tracks have done to reopen? I know of other tracks that have reopened under new ownership and become AMA sanctioned."

3strokemx wrote:

classic deflection.

Is there an acceptable amount of money to extract from a track and still expect people to support your goggle company?

Deflection? That’s what your response is. Not one question answered. That is deflection. 

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mxxcdez wrote:
A "payday" is not what I read on Page 1, it was a recoup of expenses, seems pretty fair to me. Why didn't LACR or the...

A "payday" is not what I read on Page 1, it was a recoup of expenses, seems pretty fair to me. Why didn't LACR or the promoter coordinate or setup a Gofundme or a ride day to help out, especially to help out an "industry" person's son with substantial injuries? Did they turn a blind eye to the situation? I don't know, do you? It's starting to sound like LACR is milking donations as I posed the unanswered questions before and they're milking an 8 yeard old story. What about their latest lawsuits? I know other tracks had and have some going on with other notable people inside and outside of the industry. Why don't look them up and bitch them out? Again, here are some unanswered questions you should be asking if you REALLY want LACR to reopen, see below.

"Also, what is LACR doing with the donated money???? Why haven't they reformed their business? Why are they still using the Barbacovi name? They should move on and rename if they really want to reopen. I find it fascinating that no one else is asking these questions. You can continue to blindly donate money "hoping" they will reopen. I would be asking what are they going do to with the money and why haven't they done what other tracks have done to reopen? I know of other tracks that have reopened under new ownership and become AMA sanctioned."

Farmer J wrote:
Its people like you that are the problem. Why didn't they realize the track was too dangerous before they rode it? Why didn't they realize the...

Its people like you that are the problem. Why didn't they realize the track was too dangerous before they rode it? Why didn't they realize the track was too dangerous after they rode it? They should've packed up. Why didn't he understand the waiver he signed? Why didn't he setup a go fund me himself? I'm sure people would have donated. Lacr probably didn't do any of that because the guy sued them. I don't know the owners but I'm sure they wouldn't have any problem doing a ride day. Geez. Hey why did McDonald's serve hot coffee that got spilled on someone and burned them? Literally same kind of thinking. 

FarmerJ, another guy with zero facts. Pack up and get out with your baseless statements. 

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6/13/2025 1:11pm Edited Date/Time 6/13/2025 1:12pm
mxxcdez wrote:

Deflection? That’s what your response is. Not one question answered. That is deflection. 

hahaha this is your rebuttal? 

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mxxcdez wrote:
A "payday" is not what I read on Page 1, it was a recoup of expenses, seems pretty fair to me. Why didn't LACR or the...

A "payday" is not what I read on Page 1, it was a recoup of expenses, seems pretty fair to me. Why didn't LACR or the promoter coordinate or setup a Gofundme or a ride day to help out, especially to help out an "industry" person's son with substantial injuries? Did they turn a blind eye to the situation? I don't know, do you? It's starting to sound like LACR is milking donations as I posed the unanswered questions before and they're milking an 8 yeard old story. What about their latest lawsuits? I know other tracks had and have some going on with other notable people inside and outside of the industry. Why don't look them up and bitch them out? Again, here are some unanswered questions you should be asking if you REALLY want LACR to reopen, see below.

"Also, what is LACR doing with the donated money???? Why haven't they reformed their business? Why are they still using the Barbacovi name? They should move on and rename if they really want to reopen. I find it fascinating that no one else is asking these questions. You can continue to blindly donate money "hoping" they will reopen. I would be asking what are they going do to with the money and why haven't they done what other tracks have done to reopen? I know of other tracks that have reopened under new ownership and become AMA sanctioned."

Farmer J wrote:
Its people like you that are the problem. Why didn't they realize the track was too dangerous before they rode it? Why didn't they realize the...

Its people like you that are the problem. Why didn't they realize the track was too dangerous before they rode it? Why didn't they realize the track was too dangerous after they rode it? They should've packed up. Why didn't he understand the waiver he signed? Why didn't he setup a go fund me himself? I'm sure people would have donated. Lacr probably didn't do any of that because the guy sued them. I don't know the owners but I'm sure they wouldn't have any problem doing a ride day. Geez. Hey why did McDonald's serve hot coffee that got spilled on someone and burned them? Literally same kind of thinking. 

mxxcdez wrote:

FarmerJ, another guy with zero facts. Pack up and get out with your baseless statements. 

What facts of the event do you have that contradict the common sense scenario laid out by Farmer J?

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6/13/2025 1:20pm Edited Date/Time 6/13/2025 1:21pm
mxxcdez wrote:
You and I have already gone back and forth last year and agreed to disagree.  The other guy is constantly berating people as well as me...

You and I have already gone back and forth last year and agreed to disagree.  The other guy is constantly berating people as well as me and now he’s implying I’m gay, lol. You’re right I’m only saying I’m probably a better human since I don’t post the bullshit he posts and I was only responding to his initial judgement. His posting history speaks for itself. The circular and immature responses are humorous.

I would say that your posting history speaks for itself as has already been pointed out in this thread but you always continue to ignore.

Care to comment on that or do you want to continue to ignore the fact that you solely created your account to defend Rich?

If you can't man up and admit that, go ahead and keep acting like I'm the problem.  I mean in my experience it's the typical arrogant SoCal way to act better than everyone and not be able to take ownership for anything.....which is exactly why your boy Rich sued LACR ironically.  He couldn't take ownership of the fact that his kid is a squid and got whiskey throttle off of a simple berm that thousands of riders hadn't had a problem with before him.

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At the end of the day, I'm just so happy that this thread is full of EKS Brand Goggle Reviews for others to find later.

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3strokemx wrote:

If I'm wearing EKS Brand goggles and crash, can I sue EKS Brand?

Where's that lawyer from the Mirtl thread to weigh in?

There are some lawyers that would take that case. 

6/13/2025 2:11pm Edited Date/Time 6/13/2025 3:02pm
mxxcdez wrote:

Thank you. Point proven.

Nah, not even a little bit. You think you can start a post with "I'm a better human than you" and then go on some rant about...

Nah, not even a little bit. 

You think you can start a post with "I'm a better human than you" and then go on some rant about how OTHER people are judgemental? How delusional, disconnected, and arrogant do you have to be to type something like that, hit send, and then defend it even further.

mxxcdez wrote:
You and I have already gone back and forth last year and agreed to disagree.  The other guy is constantly berating people as well as me...

You and I have already gone back and forth last year and agreed to disagree.  The other guy is constantly berating people as well as me and now he’s implying I’m gay, lol. You’re right I’m only saying I’m probably a better human since I don’t post the bullshit he posts and I was only responding to his initial judgement. His posting history speaks for itself. The circular and immature responses are humorous.

Brother, we may have agreed to disagree last year or whatever, but that doesn't mean your continued nonsense and insane self-righteous posts can go on unchecked lol.

It's a message board, your opinion doesn't carry any more weight than anyone else's, and when others think it's stupid, we can say so. CLEARLY you feel the same way. 

I still feel, as do a lot of others, that you are REALLY close to the RT side of this whole thing. Maybe even the man himself. 

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Nah, not even a little bit. You think you can start a post with "I'm a better human than you" and then go on some rant about...

Nah, not even a little bit. 

You think you can start a post with "I'm a better human than you" and then go on some rant about how OTHER people are judgemental? How delusional, disconnected, and arrogant do you have to be to type something like that, hit send, and then defend it even further.

mxxcdez wrote:
You and I have already gone back and forth last year and agreed to disagree.  The other guy is constantly berating people as well as me...

You and I have already gone back and forth last year and agreed to disagree.  The other guy is constantly berating people as well as me and now he’s implying I’m gay, lol. You’re right I’m only saying I’m probably a better human since I don’t post the bullshit he posts and I was only responding to his initial judgement. His posting history speaks for itself. The circular and immature responses are humorous.

Brother, we may have agreed to disagree last year or whatever, but that doesn't mean your continued nonsense and insane self-righteous posts can go on unchecked...

Brother, we may have agreed to disagree last year or whatever, but that doesn't mean your continued nonsense and insane self-righteous posts can go on unchecked lol.

It's a message board, your opinion doesn't carry any more weight than anyone else's, and when others think it's stupid, we can say so. CLEARLY you feel the same way. 

I still feel, as do a lot of others, that you are REALLY close to the RT side of this whole thing. Maybe even the man himself. 

Nothing self righteous about my posts unless because they differ in opinion from you and others. The self righteous viewpoint is the one that people use to pile on to something they don’t know much about other than a statement they read and a post the other party posted. I do know and have least come in contact with all of them at some point. I have also been involved in race events that we promoted and we worked with Jack himself, although they were years ago. He was cool to work with then but I don’t know about what’s happened since him.  Also, Lungbutter keeps saying the kid was a squid, etc. that’s not an excuse to undermine the tragic circumstances. It’s just an ignorant statement to justify his ignorance or anger. I have only or mostly proposed questions of why LACR has denied help and advice, or why haven’t they created a new company. We only get to read about their supposed hardship, but why are the ignoring the handouts. What are they doing with the money?  The poor me shit is stupid, they have options. I also think it’s bullshit for Rich to receive threats of violence and the call to burn his business at the stake over doing what he thought was right for his son. He used his country given right because nobody else came to help. That is fucked up.

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mxxcdez wrote:
You and I have already gone back and forth last year and agreed to disagree.  The other guy is constantly berating people as well as me...

You and I have already gone back and forth last year and agreed to disagree.  The other guy is constantly berating people as well as me and now he’s implying I’m gay, lol. You’re right I’m only saying I’m probably a better human since I don’t post the bullshit he posts and I was only responding to his initial judgement. His posting history speaks for itself. The circular and immature responses are humorous.

Brother, we may have agreed to disagree last year or whatever, but that doesn't mean your continued nonsense and insane self-righteous posts can go on unchecked...

Brother, we may have agreed to disagree last year or whatever, but that doesn't mean your continued nonsense and insane self-righteous posts can go on unchecked lol.

It's a message board, your opinion doesn't carry any more weight than anyone else's, and when others think it's stupid, we can say so. CLEARLY you feel the same way. 

I still feel, as do a lot of others, that you are REALLY close to the RT side of this whole thing. Maybe even the man himself. 

mxxcdez wrote:
Nothing self righteous about my posts unless because they differ in opinion from you and others. The self righteous viewpoint is the one that people use...

Nothing self righteous about my posts unless because they differ in opinion from you and others. The self righteous viewpoint is the one that people use to pile on to something they don’t know much about other than a statement they read and a post the other party posted. I do know and have least come in contact with all of them at some point. I have also been involved in race events that we promoted and we worked with Jack himself, although they were years ago. He was cool to work with then but I don’t know about what’s happened since him.  Also, Lungbutter keeps saying the kid was a squid, etc. that’s not an excuse to undermine the tragic circumstances. It’s just an ignorant statement to justify his ignorance or anger. I have only or mostly proposed questions of why LACR has denied help and advice, or why haven’t they created a new company. We only get to read about their supposed hardship, but why are the ignoring the handouts. What are they doing with the money?  The poor me shit is stupid, they have options. I also think it’s bullshit for Rich to receive threats of violence and the call to burn his business at the stake over doing what he thought was right for his son. He used his country given right because nobody else came to help. That is fucked up.

Because nobody else came to help? GTFO. "Nobody came to help" because it WASN'T the tracks fault.

This is the consequences of his own actions. Period.


If his kid hit a dozer on the track and the track said eff you, I guarantee people would have come to help. Keep carrying on with the same drivel. It's pretty pathetic at this point.

When you are in a room with 100 people and 98 of them disagree with you, take a look in the mirror. 


 

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Brother, we may have agreed to disagree last year or whatever, but that doesn't mean your continued nonsense and insane self-righteous posts can go on unchecked...

Brother, we may have agreed to disagree last year or whatever, but that doesn't mean your continued nonsense and insane self-righteous posts can go on unchecked lol.

It's a message board, your opinion doesn't carry any more weight than anyone else's, and when others think it's stupid, we can say so. CLEARLY you feel the same way. 

I still feel, as do a lot of others, that you are REALLY close to the RT side of this whole thing. Maybe even the man himself. 

mxxcdez wrote:
Nothing self righteous about my posts unless because they differ in opinion from you and others. The self righteous viewpoint is the one that people use...

Nothing self righteous about my posts unless because they differ in opinion from you and others. The self righteous viewpoint is the one that people use to pile on to something they don’t know much about other than a statement they read and a post the other party posted. I do know and have least come in contact with all of them at some point. I have also been involved in race events that we promoted and we worked with Jack himself, although they were years ago. He was cool to work with then but I don’t know about what’s happened since him.  Also, Lungbutter keeps saying the kid was a squid, etc. that’s not an excuse to undermine the tragic circumstances. It’s just an ignorant statement to justify his ignorance or anger. I have only or mostly proposed questions of why LACR has denied help and advice, or why haven’t they created a new company. We only get to read about their supposed hardship, but why are the ignoring the handouts. What are they doing with the money?  The poor me shit is stupid, they have options. I also think it’s bullshit for Rich to receive threats of violence and the call to burn his business at the stake over doing what he thought was right for his son. He used his country given right because nobody else came to help. That is fucked up.

Because nobody else came to help? GTFO. "Nobody came to help" because it WASN'T the tracks fault.This is the consequences of his own actions. Period.If his...

Because nobody else came to help? GTFO. "Nobody came to help" because it WASN'T the tracks fault.

This is the consequences of his own actions. Period.


If his kid hit a dozer on the track and the track said eff you, I guarantee people would have come to help. Keep carrying on with the same drivel. It's pretty pathetic at this point.

When you are in a room with 100 people and 98 of them disagree with you, take a look in the mirror. 


 

You’re conflating things. Your pissed because rich is industry, but LACR is also industry. If industry isn’t allowed to sue because they are industry, shouldn’t they have worked together to create a benefit ride day because they are industry? That could have been a compromise to help each other out? Gofundme was around then but not really an acceptable thing in our sport at that time.  

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aees wrote:
MXGP tracks run its own additional security review typically before the event, but they are till under FIM and national track regulations is the foundation. Its...

MXGP tracks run its own additional security review typically before the event, but they are till under FIM and national track regulations is the foundation. Its a GP, they can of course have things on the track that a normal track should have due to level of riders and limited time. I would assume national can do the same, you adapt the track to the riders and since its limited in riders and track time, risk can be higher.

So you have to look at each country for the base line. I have written about it and linked this info before. France even direct angles for jump faces and landings.

Track can ignore it between reviews, but might not get licence renewed if caught. And if there is an accident, pictures will be taken and ride report reviewed and will be compared with what was audited for insurance claims. 

As i said, you are not getting a track through audit with a bowl turn without fence, just exactly because what happend. Alternative is 20 inches high outer edge at minimum if it is 70 or 75 degree incline. It's so that bike(s) would stop, but you could go over. If you have a significant drop on the other side, you would have to fence it anyway if there isn't a berm.

I mean this you don't need a fucking rulebook or guidelines and external audit to see it's an issue.

Here is an example from a security forum and frensh guidelines: 1000005243 0

For the love of god if we ever get to the point in the US where we have standardized pitches for jump faces and limits on how tall we can build a berm just put me out of my misery, I don’t want to breath the air of an existence like that.  

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Can you sue Glen Helen if you hit a kicker on the huge down hill and take a trip to endonesia trying to go as fast as you can? 

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Anyone who thinks specific regulations on track safety and auditors certifying things will decrease track liability clearly has no idea how things work in this unsophisticated country that doesn't have these things. 

As long as the threshold to sue is "bad thing happened to me" those kinds of regulations just become the things cited in the lawsuit. Personal injury lawyers will take all the detail you can give them on how things should have been. Surely they'll find a few things out of spec or at a minimum a consultant who will say they are. 

Would also love to see any data that says places that have gone the bureaucratic route are actually safer..... 

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mxxcdez wrote:
A "payday" is not what I read on Page 1, it was a recoup of expenses, seems pretty fair to me. Why didn't LACR or the...

A "payday" is not what I read on Page 1, it was a recoup of expenses, seems pretty fair to me. Why didn't LACR or the promoter coordinate or setup a Gofundme or a ride day to help out, especially to help out an "industry" person's son with substantial injuries? Did they turn a blind eye to the situation? I don't know, do you? It's starting to sound like LACR is milking donations as I posed the unanswered questions before and they're milking an 8 yeard old story. What about their latest lawsuits? I know other tracks had and have some going on with other notable people inside and outside of the industry. Why don't look them up and bitch them out? Again, here are some unanswered questions you should be asking if you REALLY want LACR to reopen, see below.

"Also, what is LACR doing with the donated money???? Why haven't they reformed their business? Why are they still using the Barbacovi name? They should move on and rename if they really want to reopen. I find it fascinating that no one else is asking these questions. You can continue to blindly donate money "hoping" they will reopen. I would be asking what are they going do to with the money and why haven't they done what other tracks have done to reopen? I know of other tracks that have reopened under new ownership and become AMA sanctioned."

Farmer J wrote:
Its people like you that are the problem. Why didn't they realize the track was too dangerous before they rode it? Why didn't they realize the...

Its people like you that are the problem. Why didn't they realize the track was too dangerous before they rode it? Why didn't they realize the track was too dangerous after they rode it? They should've packed up. Why didn't he understand the waiver he signed? Why didn't he setup a go fund me himself? I'm sure people would have donated. Lacr probably didn't do any of that because the guy sued them. I don't know the owners but I'm sure they wouldn't have any problem doing a ride day. Geez. Hey why did McDonald's serve hot coffee that got spilled on someone and burned them? Literally same kind of thinking. 

mxxcdez wrote:

FarmerJ, another guy with zero facts. Pack up and get out with your baseless statements. 

Refer to your previous response above the post quoted.

"Deflection? That’s what your response is. Not one question answered. That is deflection. " 

Yeah....that was your quoted response to the guys right above the post you quoted me back on. 

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mxxcdez wrote:
I'm probably a better human than you. I've read plenty of your vitriol & hateful remarks to make that assumption. I also don't live my life...

I'm probably a better human than you. I've read plenty of your vitriol & hateful remarks to make that assumption. I also don't live my life as angry and hateful as some here. Many threads in this forum are pretty trashy at times. Between hating on RC, Lawrences, Bubba (back in the day), Supercross, Pulp, Feld, DC, MXSports, etc, etc and the single one liners "fuck that guy," someone would think this sport is total trash sometimes. Everyone wonders why we aren't getting big outside sponsors? I would be willing to bet some executive or one of their research minions does a little market research or poking around and they stumble across this forum and click through a few of these Topics..... Of course you can have an opinion about something but to sit behind a keyboard and perpertually bash people constantly if being a pretty shitty person. The very people that talk shit on here all day long also can't stand to get a taste of their medicine with a comment or statement and so their only response back is to continue be a shitty person. Shit + Shit = Shit

LungButter wrote:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHoly shit dawg, tell us more about how awesome you think you are.That SoCal arrogance (or is it ignorance) is why us Idaho folk hate most...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Holy shit dawg, tell us more about how awesome you think you are.

That SoCal arrogance (or is it ignorance) is why us Idaho folk hate most of the Californians that have escaped your shit hole and moved to Idaho.  Do yourself a favor, when you finally get smart enough to abandon the dump you call home, don't move to Idaho you won't like it much because some local will put you in your place real quick with that "I'm better than you" Cali Girl attitude you got.

 

Please, let's all listen to the guy that lives where 0.000000094% of the US population lives, he definitely has a pulse on what happens in the nation...

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mxxcdez wrote:
Nothing self righteous about my posts unless because they differ in opinion from you and others. The self righteous viewpoint is the one that people use...

Nothing self righteous about my posts unless because they differ in opinion from you and others. The self righteous viewpoint is the one that people use to pile on to something they don’t know much about other than a statement they read and a post the other party posted. I do know and have least come in contact with all of them at some point. I have also been involved in race events that we promoted and we worked with Jack himself, although they were years ago. He was cool to work with then but I don’t know about what’s happened since him.  Also, Lungbutter keeps saying the kid was a squid, etc. that’s not an excuse to undermine the tragic circumstances. It’s just an ignorant statement to justify his ignorance or anger. I have only or mostly proposed questions of why LACR has denied help and advice, or why haven’t they created a new company. We only get to read about their supposed hardship, but why are the ignoring the handouts. What are they doing with the money?  The poor me shit is stupid, they have options. I also think it’s bullshit for Rich to receive threats of violence and the call to burn his business at the stake over doing what he thought was right for his son. He used his country given right because nobody else came to help. That is fucked up.

Because nobody else came to help? GTFO. "Nobody came to help" because it WASN'T the tracks fault.This is the consequences of his own actions. Period.If his...

Because nobody else came to help? GTFO. "Nobody came to help" because it WASN'T the tracks fault.

This is the consequences of his own actions. Period.


If his kid hit a dozer on the track and the track said eff you, I guarantee people would have come to help. Keep carrying on with the same drivel. It's pretty pathetic at this point.

When you are in a room with 100 people and 98 of them disagree with you, take a look in the mirror. 


 

mxxcdez wrote:
You’re conflating things. Your pissed because rich is industry, but LACR is also industry. If industry isn’t allowed to sue because they are industry, shouldn’t they...

You’re conflating things. Your pissed because rich is industry, but LACR is also industry. If industry isn’t allowed to sue because they are industry, shouldn’t they have worked together to create a benefit ride day because they are industry? That could have been a compromise to help each other out? Gofundme was around then but not really an acceptable thing in our sport at that time.  

And neither is suing tracks. 

Choices were made and actions have consequences.

And for my VitalMX EKS Brand Goggle review segment rant brought to you by PulpMX ….it’s whack to accept ad money from a track suing man like Rich Taylor. This is how empires fall. Back to my boycott ✌🏽

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If all the tracks are built to conform to specific dimensions and someone crashes and gets hurt, he then can't sue? Is that similar to signing a waiver and still filing a lawsuit against the track?

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JM485 wrote:
For the love of god if we ever get to the point in the US where we have standardized pitches for jump faces and limits on...

For the love of god if we ever get to the point in the US where we have standardized pitches for jump faces and limits on how tall we can build a berm just put me out of my misery, I don’t want to breath the air of an existence like that.  

Make sure whoever puts you out of your misery gets me too. We can get a two for one special.

 

These "developed" countries sure have a lot of wooden stakes and fences quite close to the track in the videos I see on YouTube. Hawkstone and the track they run the Vet MXoN sure look sketchy on GoPro. They also look like an absolute blast to ride BTW.

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Bumping this as I noticed today EKS Brand blocked me on Instagram 😂😂


Throw em in the trash! 

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9/12/2025 11:48pm

Everything that has happened to LACR, Anthony and the Barbacovi's...is FUKKKKKKKKEDUP!!!! So many people have been screwed with our awesome local track LACR being shut down since last December. And yup, Its due to 3 law suits but the first one mainly clearly noted within this post. But some other little kids parents, suing cause they sent there kid out on the main track on a PW50 or a 65 and he got landed on at age 6 or 7, recovered just fine. And some "girl" that barely knew how to ride broke her ankle and she decided to sue. 

You dont ride/race dirt bikes and SUE A MOTOCROSS TRACK!!!!! 

We really miss LACR bigtime, and so do a few thousand others that loved to ride there at Anthony's awesome facility. The Barbacovis have been involved with their track since the early/mid 80's....CRC  I mean, their own SON, pro rider..Jeff Barbacovi died at their own track. They didnt shut it down, they kept it going. 

Its really a shame what has happened. Im sure everyone still keeps some positive hope that LACR will reopen sometime in the future

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For all it's little faults, LACR was ours and we miss it. For 50+ years Jack and family have gone above and beyond to give us yahoo's a place to gather and have fun. Miss it every weekend, and the occasional Wednesday private ride days...

People can say what they want, but without the Taylor lawsuit we'd still have it in our lives.

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