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Without due process there's no way to know if they came here the right way or not. That's why due process is a thing. Innocent until proven...

Without due process there's no way to know if they came here the right way or not. That's why due process is a thing. 

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.  These people are not being proven guilty. 

Care to tell us how you are a subject matter expert on the steps being taken?

 

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Well this entire ordeal is proof positive that the desire to deport/evict/rid our nation of the flood of illegal criminal invaders, is a proper one.

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BH_84 wrote:
Without due process there's no way to know if they came here the right way or not. That's why due process is a thing. Innocent until proven...

Without due process there's no way to know if they came here the right way or not. That's why due process is a thing. 

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.  These people are not being proven guilty. 

"These people" are not due the rights granted to us as, legal citizens of the United states of America. 

 

They are illegal third world invaders, trying to spread their third world savagery into our culture(s)

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BH_84 wrote:
Without due process there's no way to know if they came here the right way or not. That's why due process is a thing. Innocent until proven...

Without due process there's no way to know if they came here the right way or not. That's why due process is a thing. 

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.  These people are not being proven guilty. 

"These people" are not due the rights granted to us as, legal citizens of the United states of America.   They are illegal third world invaders, trying to...

"These people" are not due the rights granted to us as, legal citizens of the United states of America. 

 

They are illegal third world invaders, trying to spread their third world savagery into our culture(s)

Without due process, there are no citizens. Without it, who’s to stop them from saying you’re actually a terrorist and sending you off to El Salvador? The constitution applies to anyone on US soil. 

Reading through this thread, I’m amazed at the amount of people championing for a police state. Bizarre. 

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Without due process, there are no citizens. Without it, who’s to stop them from saying you’re actually a terrorist and sending you off to El Salvador...

Without due process, there are no citizens. Without it, who’s to stop them from saying you’re actually a terrorist and sending you off to El Salvador? The constitution applies to anyone on US soil. 

Reading through this thread, I’m amazed at the amount of people championing for a police state. Bizarre. 

Fair point.

However, I'm more amazed how many people support rioting and burning our cities just because it makes the Orange Man they hate look bad.

America is a wild fucking place these days.

I'm with @JAFO92 the only way outta this mess is gonna be shootin', probably take a long while to get there still but that day is coming.  

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6/9/2025 10:55am Edited Date/Time 6/9/2025 11:00am
aeffertz wrote:
Without due process, there are no citizens. Without it, who’s to stop them from saying you’re actually a terrorist and sending you off to El Salvador...

Without due process, there are no citizens. Without it, who’s to stop them from saying you’re actually a terrorist and sending you off to El Salvador? The constitution applies to anyone on US soil. 

Reading through this thread, I’m amazed at the amount of people championing for a police state. Bizarre. 

This is part of the democrats plan to overwhelm the system. 

Kick the motherfuckers out the same way they came in. Without due process

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Enforcing immigration laws: “oFf tHe wAlL!”

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Deportations without due process

Tarriff mania, stock market looking like a roller coaster

Threatening to take over Greenland and Canada. 

Etc. Etc. 

Yeah, off the wall shit. 

reded301 wrote:

Follow due process on the way in and they won't have to worry about due process on the way out.

This!  It’s really that simple.

What would happen if an American citizen snuck into Mexico or overstayed a visa there and incited a riot, burned cars and threw bricks at Mexican cops in front of a government building in Mexico City while waving the American flag?

 

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6/9/2025 11:01am Edited Date/Time 6/9/2025 11:43am
aeffertz wrote:
Without due process, there are no citizens. Without it, who’s to stop them from saying you’re actually a terrorist and sending you off to El Salvador...

Without due process, there are no citizens. Without it, who’s to stop them from saying you’re actually a terrorist and sending you off to El Salvador? The constitution applies to anyone on US soil. 

Reading through this thread, I’m amazed at the amount of people championing for a police state. Bizarre. 

R66 wrote:

This is part of the democrats plan to overwhelm the system. 

Kick the motherfuckers out the same way they came in. Without due process

Cloward and Piven 101.

6/9/2025 11:27am

but this argument of "Due Process"...

when I go to Honduran, I must enter properly and present my passport. If I do not, I am immediately tossed from the country. Why? Cause I'm not a Honduran resident and they can toss me. Was I not afforded due process?

As for these peaceful little rioters...if they're being arrested/deported, they lack 1. either proper ID showing they are legal or 2. are entirely illegal and they know it. 

We don't have to provide due process for people that have committed a crime to enter our land. We turn them around and send 'em packing. Just like Honduras would do to me. You think Honduras military is gonna pat me on the head and give me "due process" when I throw molotov cocktails at their capitol, burn cars, and scream about how horrible Honduras is while waiving my USA flag?

Pffft.

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aeffertz wrote:
Without due process, there are no citizens. Without it, who’s to stop them from saying you’re actually a terrorist and sending you off to El Salvador...

Without due process, there are no citizens. Without it, who’s to stop them from saying you’re actually a terrorist and sending you off to El Salvador? The constitution applies to anyone on US soil. 

Reading through this thread, I’m amazed at the amount of people championing for a police state. Bizarre. 

R66 wrote:

This is part of the democrats plan to overwhelm the system. 

Kick the motherfuckers out the same way they came in. Without due process

olds cool wrote:

Cloward and Piven 101.

Yep. There is no way to give every one of the illegal motherfuckers a trial. Remove  the illegal motherfuckers pronto! 

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6/9/2025 11:37am
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You do understand that in multiple cases the people being grabbed a shipped off to god knows where are in the process of doing things the...

You do understand that in multiple cases the people being grabbed a shipped off to god knows where are in the process of doing things the right way right? 

Oh, wait, we don't know that, because they aren't being given a hearing. 

So would they not have paperwork showing in your words..." process of doing things the right way"?They didn't come here the "right way", so how would...

So would they not have paperwork showing in your words..." process of doing things the right way"?

They didn't come here the "right way", so how would you come to that conclusion? I swear there must be something in the water in Canada that makes the people lose touch with reality.

Thank you

Luke

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Without due process there's no way to know if they came here the right way or not. That's why due process is a thing. Innocent until proven...

Without due process there's no way to know if they came here the right way or not. That's why due process is a thing. 

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.  These people are not being proven guilty. 

Not sure how it is up North, in USA, if you came in the correct way, you have paperwork saying you are allowed, a green card, a work visa, etc.

These people do not have any of that, stop trying to convince us otherwise........

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Due process my fucking ass.  All of the sudden the left loves the constitution when it comes to the words 'due process', but they sure don't love the constitution when it comes to the 2A.

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but this argument of "Due Process"...when I go to Honduran, I must enter properly and present my passport. If I do not, I am immediately tossed...

but this argument of "Due Process"...

when I go to Honduran, I must enter properly and present my passport. If I do not, I am immediately tossed from the country. Why? Cause I'm not a Honduran resident and they can toss me. Was I not afforded due process?

As for these peaceful little rioters...if they're being arrested/deported, they lack 1. either proper ID showing they are legal or 2. are entirely illegal and they know it. 

We don't have to provide due process for people that have committed a crime to enter our land. We turn them around and send 'em packing. Just like Honduras would do to me. You think Honduras military is gonna pat me on the head and give me "due process" when I throw molotov cocktails at their capitol, burn cars, and scream about how horrible Honduras is while waiving my USA flag?

Pffft.

Somebody else already pointed this out but if they are so pissed about being sent back to Mexico then why are they waving Mexican flags as they protesting being sent back to Mexico?

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This is why we need civics and people that care about that stuff. I don't know what the constitution of Honduras says, or if they even have one, but in the USA, due process extends to people in the country, even if here illegally. That's what happens when you believe in principles like our founders did, you believe in rules and you stick to them, especially when they make you unhappy, because that's really the test for whether or not you actually believe in them. 

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byke wrote:
This is why we need civics and people that care about that stuff. I don't know what the constitution of Honduras says, or if they even...

This is why we need civics and people that care about that stuff. I don't know what the constitution of Honduras says, or if they even have one, but in the USA, due process extends to people in the country, even if here illegally. That's what happens when you believe in principles like our founders did, you believe in rules and you stick to them, especially when they make you unhappy, because that's really the test for whether or not you actually believe in them. 

Bullshit. Not when certain groups exploit and manipulate those rules for an agenda.

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Due process my fucking ass.  All of the sudden the left loves the constitution when it comes to the words 'due process', but they sure don't...

Due process my fucking ass.  All of the sudden the left loves the constitution when it comes to the words 'due process', but they sure don't love the constitution when it comes to the 2A.

Truer words were seldom spoken.

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Not sure how it is up North, in USA, if you came in the correct way, you have paperwork saying you are allowed, a green card...

Not sure how it is up North, in USA, if you came in the correct way, you have paperwork saying you are allowed, a green card, a work visa, etc.

These people do not have any of that, stop trying to convince us otherwise........

Again, that's where due process comes in. You have to give them a chance to produce that documentation. 

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but this argument of "Due Process"...when I go to Honduran, I must enter properly and present my passport. If I do not, I am immediately tossed...

but this argument of "Due Process"...

when I go to Honduran, I must enter properly and present my passport. If I do not, I am immediately tossed from the country. Why? Cause I'm not a Honduran resident and they can toss me. Was I not afforded due process?

As for these peaceful little rioters...if they're being arrested/deported, they lack 1. either proper ID showing they are legal or 2. are entirely illegal and they know it. 

We don't have to provide due process for people that have committed a crime to enter our land. We turn them around and send 'em packing. Just like Honduras would do to me. You think Honduras military is gonna pat me on the head and give me "due process" when I throw molotov cocktails at their capitol, burn cars, and scream about how horrible Honduras is while waiving my USA flag?

Pffft.

LungButter wrote:
Somebody else already pointed this out but if they are so pissed about being sent back to Mexico then why are they waving Mexican flags as...

Somebody else already pointed this out but if they are so pissed about being sent back to Mexico then why are they waving Mexican flags as they protesting being sent back to Mexico?

They are still pissed about "The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo," True story.

 

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So would they not have paperwork showing in your words..." process of doing things the right way"?They didn't come here the "right way", so how would...

So would they not have paperwork showing in your words..." process of doing things the right way"?

They didn't come here the "right way", so how would you come to that conclusion? I swear there must be something in the water in Canada that makes the people lose touch with reality.

Thank you

Luke

BH_84 wrote:
Without due process there's no way to know if they came here the right way or not. That's why due process is a thing. Innocent until proven...

Without due process there's no way to know if they came here the right way or not. That's why due process is a thing. 

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.  These people are not being proven guilty. 

Not sure how it is up North, in USA, if you came in the correct way, you have paperwork saying you are allowed, a green card...

Not sure how it is up North, in USA, if you came in the correct way, you have paperwork saying you are allowed, a green card, a work visa, etc.

These people do not have any of that, stop trying to convince us otherwise........

THIS. And when you do NOT follow the proper channels nor have the proper ID that you should have when you're wandering around our country like EVERY CITIZEN has to do, or your ass gets booted to Mejico. Why is this hard to grasp? 

Again, I just think it's funny as I spend quite a bit of time all over Central America in Belize and Honduras and Panama...and NONE of these places are going to tolerate this shit. Libs keep crying and saying "Yeah, but it's cause we're the USA and we're better!" and I'd respond and say "Why do we even have laws if even people here admittedly ILLEGALLY are somehow protected by kook libs?"

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BH_84 wrote:

Again, that's where due process comes in. You have to give them a chance to produce that documentation. 

I'll ask again, how do you know that isn't happening?

 

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They’re doing it, again…

“Mostly Peaceful”

Bwaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaa

From the Mayor of The Fires to The Squad…and the rest of the Loonies on the Left…

Bwaaaahaaaaahaaaaaaaaa

You Can Not Make This Shit Up

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Not sure how it is up North, in USA, if you came in the correct way, you have paperwork saying you are allowed, a green card...

Not sure how it is up North, in USA, if you came in the correct way, you have paperwork saying you are allowed, a green card, a work visa, etc.

These people do not have any of that, stop trying to convince us otherwise........

BH_84 wrote:

Again, that's where due process comes in. You have to give them a chance to produce that documentation. 

Should they not have that on them, like a driver's license when you drive a car?

Canucks on US politics, too funny.

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Not sure how it is up North, in USA, if you came in the correct way, you have paperwork saying you are allowed, a green card...

Not sure how it is up North, in USA, if you came in the correct way, you have paperwork saying you are allowed, a green card, a work visa, etc.

These people do not have any of that, stop trying to convince us otherwise........

BH_84 wrote:

Again, that's where due process comes in. You have to give them a chance to produce that documentation. 

Due process isn't intended for those who have become illegal immigrant invaders, waging war against the laws of our nation, and the safety of its lawful citizens. 

But hey, you just keep right on posting leftist your bullshit. 

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byke wrote:
This is why we need civics and people that care about that stuff. I don't know what the constitution of Honduras says, or if they even...

This is why we need civics and people that care about that stuff. I don't know what the constitution of Honduras says, or if they even have one, but in the USA, due process extends to people in the country, even if here illegally. That's what happens when you believe in principles like our founders did, you believe in rules and you stick to them, especially when they make you unhappy, because that's really the test for whether or not you actually believe in them. 

EVH4Ever wrote:

Bullshit. Not when certain groups exploit and manipulate those rules for an agenda.

Yeah that's the whole challenge with being an honorable person, is doing the right/legal thing when someone else is breaking the law. This is long settled Americanism, you don't turn into a criminal to get criminals, because then you're just another criminal. I'm not saying it's easy, because it's really hard to do, but it's well established constitutional law and the bible hits on it plenty, about always doing the right thing yourself no matter what others are doing. That's just what this place is. If we don't care about the law and just want to hack criminals to pieces, that stuff is found in third world countries in Africa, or the middle east.

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byke wrote:
This is why we need civics and people that care about that stuff. I don't know what the constitution of Honduras says, or if they even...

This is why we need civics and people that care about that stuff. I don't know what the constitution of Honduras says, or if they even have one, but in the USA, due process extends to people in the country, even if here illegally. That's what happens when you believe in principles like our founders did, you believe in rules and you stick to them, especially when they make you unhappy, because that's really the test for whether or not you actually believe in them. 

EVH4Ever wrote:

Bullshit. Not when certain groups exploit and manipulate those rules for an agenda.

byke wrote:
Yeah that's the whole challenge with being an honorable person, is doing the right/legal thing when someone else is breaking the law. This is long settled...

Yeah that's the whole challenge with being an honorable person, is doing the right/legal thing when someone else is breaking the law. This is long settled Americanism, you don't turn into a criminal to get criminals, because then you're just another criminal. I'm not saying it's easy, because it's really hard to do, but it's well established constitutional law and the bible hits on it plenty, about always doing the right thing yourself no matter what others are doing. That's just what this place is. If we don't care about the law and just want to hack criminals to pieces, that stuff is found in third world countries in Africa, or the middle east.

is there anything in the bible about following the laws of the lands that you enter and respecting their laws/customs?? I'll wait.

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EVH4Ever wrote:

Bullshit. Not when certain groups exploit and manipulate those rules for an agenda.

byke wrote:
Yeah that's the whole challenge with being an honorable person, is doing the right/legal thing when someone else is breaking the law. This is long settled...

Yeah that's the whole challenge with being an honorable person, is doing the right/legal thing when someone else is breaking the law. This is long settled Americanism, you don't turn into a criminal to get criminals, because then you're just another criminal. I'm not saying it's easy, because it's really hard to do, but it's well established constitutional law and the bible hits on it plenty, about always doing the right thing yourself no matter what others are doing. That's just what this place is. If we don't care about the law and just want to hack criminals to pieces, that stuff is found in third world countries in Africa, or the middle east.

is there anything in the bible about following the laws of the lands that you enter and respecting their laws/customs?? I'll wait.

I don't really see what a Fictional book has to do with any of this?

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BH_84 wrote:

Again, that's where due process comes in. You have to give them a chance to produce that documentation. 

LungButter wrote:

I'll ask again, how do you know that isn't happening?

 

Direct quote from a federal judge's ruling

“Defendants plainly deprived these individuals of their right to seek habeas relief before their summary removal from the United States — a right that need not itself be vindicated through a habeas petition,” U.S. District Judge James Boasberg of Washington, D.C., wrote in the order. “Perhaps the President lawfully invoked the Alien Enemies Act. Perhaps, moreover, Defendants are correct that Plaintiffs are gang members. But — and this is the critical point — there is simply no way to know for sure, as the CECOT Plaintiffs never had any opportunity to challenge the Government’s say-so.”

Took a 2 second google search to find. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-orders-trump-administration-provide-due-process-migrants-deporte-rcna211059

 

If they are given due process and proven to be there illegally then goodbye and good luck. The problem is that they are not being given the opportunity. 

What if an immigrant, going through the proper channels, is mistakenly picked up and deported? Without due process, there is no way for that person to prove their innocence. 

Its not a "lefty" opinion, its that the government has to follow the law. 

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