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At that time Yamaha had huge success in sales of the 4 stroke and the other manufactures began to produce a competitive 4 stroke as well. If the Yamaha wouldn't have sold. Or the other OEM's 4 strokes wouldn't have sold, smokers would still be navigating professional SX/MX tracks accross the world.
With regard to 2 strokes in general, the right answer for the big bike class is to bring back works bikes and make it an open class. Get rid of cc limitations. Let them make the absolute best bike possible and see where that leads us.
Some people refer to the 450 as the bike that leveled the playing field, but then again, the open class 2 strokes of old basically did the same thing.
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You're damn right I did, it's called an analogy... you know, a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based. It had nothing to do with the rock itself, but rather the story behind it and how external market factors at that particular time in history can influence purchase decisions.
The widget is literally "a product of it's environment", whether you're talking about a 4-stroke or a 2-stroke. The advent and success of the 4-stroke was a product of a world that was good and prospering. Now, the 2-stroke (based on the opinions and common consensus in this thread) is an ideal product for times that are not-so-good. It is nobody's "fault" for buying a 4-stroke (at the expense of the 2-stroke market), they were just making a decision based on external influences (and internal considerations) at that time. You are comparing the purchase decision made then (i.e. 5 years ago), with the world we live in now (2010), and making your judgment based on those two things... like I said hindsight is 20-20.
Lastly, history has proven that when the economy takes a dump, people quickly realize where inefficiencies are, and they eliminate them in order to sustain their standard of living -cutting the fat so to speak (companies do it with "cost management"). This is one of those times and people are beginning to realize that the modern day 4-stroke is not the value they once thought it was.
They are running 450cc now, and have had development time to increase the HP even more. Even if they kept it at 400cc's, the 250 two strokes probably would still have a hard time keeping up with them at some tracks. And don't even get me started on the 250 four strokes. As Newmann has pointed out, the rules were skewed to begin with.
For the consumers who wish to purchase and ride 2 strokes instead of 4 strokes there are a few models available. If two strokes start flying off the shelves and 4 strokes arn't selling, you can bet that Honda, Kawasaki and Suzuki will pull out thier old 2 stroke plans and start producing.
Specifically for you 4mxonly since you seem to know economic terms you should also know that consumer demand Always controls the market (unless we are in a communist society, and all though we are working our way there, we still have the privillage of an open market).
I'm not making an argument on what I think is better, funner to ride or cheaper. IMO I like the Idea of the premier class being a true open class, why not. A 125 rookie class might be fun to watch, a great way for up and comers to gett their feet wet. I'll I am saying it is the consumer's fault, take responsibility for it.
Lastly, the fact of the matter is dirt bikes are a luxury item. They cost a lot to maintain, haul around the country, race and so on no matter if you are ridding a 4stroke or 2. If we were that worried about cost we would play basketball, all you need is your shoes and you.
I honestly think that some of you would be surprised at what the outcome would be if the class was truly an open class as far as displacement.
Matthes, yep...he's quite clearly an azzwipe wannabee.
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I thought that most on this board were adamant about not turning our series into something like the GPs.
I think Newman is one hell of a guy, and even though I have never met the man, I like him. With that said, I have also had my disagreements with Matthes, but that doesn't mean that he's always wrong, and for some internet motoboard expert to call him a "wannabee" mean's that you either have no idea about his back ground, or you are just getting sucked up in this interweeb bullshit.
Let's all face a reality here. Some are pissed, because pro level racing has chosen another direction, and it makes some feel as if they have been left behind. If you think the two strokes are the shit, then go out an buy your self one from either Yamaha or KTM. It really is that easy. If people like you are the majority then things will change.
As far as those teams that already have an advantage?
Does that make the racing better or worse, and as a fan, do you want to put you blessing on that advantage?
I don't.
My guess is that most of those doing all the bitching haven't bought a new bike in years.
And I enjoy reading about all the two stroke love !!!!
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