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Look how well KTM is doing selling the things.
I still build a 300cc, 199 lb smoker and it would be probably be the biggest selling dirtbike ever.
it's been done by magazines, put one in full production and cha-ching!
how many horse does a 2010 YZF250 put out?? probably close to that amount?? and those are the bikes our kids make the big jump to after 85's....
during the season we have thread after thread about guys getting hurt... and many blame that on the bikes simply being too fast... too much power for even the pros to use, let alone Mr Average Joe C class racer...
The Shop
"If you are tired of four strokes, then buy two strokes. That is the only way there will ever be a ressurgance."
respectfully, you haven't a clue how this all works.......
why would a Joe Blow Average Guy (the masses, where the bulk of the money lies) buy a 2 stroke when all he sees in the magazines is 4 strokes?? when his moto heros Stew/Reed/Dungey/Poto all ride 4 bangers??? when every piece of moto marketing tells him that 2 strokes are dead? he won't....
but... if Honda/Yamaha/Kawa/Suzi all of sudden decided to start marketing 2 smokes as the "next big thing", pages upon pages of ads in the mags, talking about lighter, faster, more affordable... and Stew/Reed/Dungey/Poto were racing 2 smokes for the most elite championships, THEN Joe Blow Average Guy would buy a 2 smoke in a heartbeat.....
It had nothing to do with any 2 stroke versus 4 stroke bullshit until some jackass showed up and along with him came the four stroke brigade accusing me of having an "agenda". LMAO at all of you that turned something pretty cool into 8 pages of us versus them. But for those willing to brush all the shit to the side and read their way through it all, you have to admit there has been some pretty good thoughts and comments buried in it all.
Agenda? Not really. Just a motohead that thinks motocross in the US got derailed somewhere along the way and now there is a big ass gap between the 85cc and 250cc class that "in my opinion"(from Guy B's teachings) needs to be filled. And I am to some extent willing to put my money were my mouth is. If that's an"agenda", then so be it.
I'll end this with another little mongrel of a tiddler from my collection of all things moto. Some of you may recognize it as something of geat historical significance, others may just see it as an ugly old POS. But there was a time when it was not only welcomed to the gate, but one of its siblings and its rider made moto history.
Thanks Newmann, much appreciated.
I honestly don't believe all these cost increases have to do with the bikes. It's has to do with the fact that everything is more expensive today. The race haulers have stepped it up three or four notches, the riders are making more money, flights, lodging, credentials, entry fees etc. It's all gone up, and the support is harder to find so more money is coming from out of pocket.
The sport has progressed rapidly since 02 or 03.
In 03, our cost were down because the 250fs required very few mods, and very little maintenance or parts. The 125s were parts eaters.
It all seems very simple to me. Innovation is what changed everything. And the folks who do go to the dealer to buy new bikes are, sheeple.
-Innovation. someone allowed for it with the 400cc Yamaha and it one. Now, just like any new proven product everyone thinks, if it helped Henry it can only help me. Manufacturers, advertise and sell bikes that win major mx/sx events, because as sheeple, we are lured to the best. Regardless of argueing, the best will always be the bike with the 1 plate. The problem is, the 4st. may or may not be the best. It's like when the UFC first started with no weight classes. The displacement advantage was a heavy weight against a light weight.
-Innovation. If someone were to allow for "mathmatically" equal power between the 2 stroke and 4 then things would evolve natually. Assuming, someone starts winning major mx/sx events on the 2 stroke, then the sheeple will buy 2 strokes again. Not to mention the benefits.
Power? She makes a good bit and for an old air cooled non power valved 2 stroke, it's pretty broad. You would be amazed watching someone like LaPorte ride these old open class Yamaha's when he shows up to our vintage events.
The only thing I painted on this one was the kickstand. The owner was a little on the short side and had welded a piece of metal to it to sturdy it up so he could start it while standing on the pegs. It's for sale too.
It's really not as far off as some think. I agree though, the two strokes should be allowed a displacement that produces the same HP as it's four stroke counterpart.
As far as the large bore class?
I think that engine displacement should be unlimited on the two strokes.
Pit Row
A change in the rules would address that problem.
Danny is not only an amazing rider, he's a good guy to boot.
Again, this high cost could be addressed with some rule changes.
Folks from both sides have moved so far afield from Newmann's original post that it's not recognizable.
Personally I had the opportunity to meet him in Texas, he's a great guy with a huge love for the sport of motocross. He supplied some bikes for display and was part of an award for Steve Wise. My bet is even those that have been less then kind in your responses to him, would enjoy spending the afternoon with him.
The OP stated that a new machine was developed. The reason for the development was a small rule change made by the FIM. He was excited about it and wanted to share it. Yes he chose a provocative title to get folks to read about it, good move on his part.
You guys that actually hate all the two-stroke talk actually contribute to it growing out of control. You get so defensive, why?
If you like four-strokes, more power to you, enjoy them, race them... it's all good. The same with two-strokes...
The idea of developing a 125cc feeder class for the Nationals has some merit and is worth considering.
Can we talk about that idea and why a small company would dare to build a new bike in this economy, instead of all the other stuff?
I think its the same kid that won this year at Ponca in the 2stroke class??? He is fast as hell on that 2stroke!
Justin Bogal (great kid ) 450 stk INT PONCA Fastest lap 1.33.699
Colt Nichols 2Stroke 250 Non-Pro Fastest Lap 1.33.634!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just sold my 09' YZ450f and have a 11' YZ250 2stroke on order and can't wait!!!
I guess since everyone else is BITCHING I will join in........................
someone bring back 59th and Douglas!!!!!!!!! WTF?
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