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Read up on the benefits of EPO and see if that changes your opinion.
Many athletes train and/or sleep in an altitude tent.
My local gym used to have an ‘altitude room’.
With spin bikes, rowing machines and treadmills in there.
Yeah, I hoped in very much the same way for Lance Armstrong. We all know how that turned out.
I had never heard of gyms with an altitude room, but I haven't been in too many gyms.
Do you know what altitude they go to? Also, are you locked in for a certain amount of time for the depressurization?
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I just read up on the MountainAir altitude tents... they advertise 12000 ft above home elevation... kind of hard to believe, but they are probably right.
From personal experience sleeping(camping in my case) at that elevation sucks for the first few days if you aren’t used to it. Combine it with climbing and skiing 14ers and it’s a shock to the system for sure.
Training mask don’t mimic high altitude training, nor do they raise white blood cells.
They hamper your breathing making your respiratory muscles work harder, which theoretically helps when under a load.
I can confidently tell you that Trey was told he couldn’t train with a certain trainer because Trey wouldn’t lie about what they were doing.
I would think any time o2 is limited, your body would make more red cells to compensate. Maybe truck could answer this.
But as I said , I don’t think it would work nearly as well as living and training at altitude.
So, because it doesn’t change the oxygen content, it doesn’t mimic high altitude training.
So give me a rider that would make the jump on EPO please.
I'm fully aware of PED. Probably more than most here.
I agree with this, however, if you're a consistent top 5 rider, podiums instead of a day where 4th place was your best, or even a win when you edged out the other best that day. PED's can make a difference in moto just as in any physical sport.
It would be the same for guys that are typical 8th to 15th place riders. Even if it only helped them gain on average 2-4 spots better finishes against competition at their ceiling skill level, over the course of the season it equals more money, better rides, more sponsors, and popularity from us having them in the conversation.
There is no question PED's help atheletes perform better. It won't make you a MLB homerun hitter unless you are already capable. It won't make you a Tour de France winner unless you're already capable, and it won't make you a pro motocross winner unless you're already capable. But you'll be better at all 3 if doing the right PED's the right way.
Uh, Deegan? Watch 2023 Washougal moto 2 a few years ago where he put the beatdown on Cooper. I think his laptime at the end of the race was 5s faster than anyone else. Crazy late-moto performance.
That was like Armstrong walking away from Ulrich going up Alpe d'Huez in 2021 (EDIT: 2001, not 2021). That much of a difference in performance between elite athletes late in a race comes down to one thing and one thing only...and it isn't willpower/determination or anything else other than PEDs.
Along these same lines, the number of healthy young men in general society who have thyroid disease approaches zero.... in moto this gets talked about like it's the common cold.
Epo production is stimulated by partial pressure of oxygen in blood so hard to mimic without changing the atmospheric pressure you're in. Masks don't change the oxygen content of the air you're breathing in. Could probably mimic it by breathing in air with higher nitrogen content mixed in but that's how the south executes people now so wouldn't recommend it.
Eli training at altitude certainly would give him a bump in hemoglobin. Goes up a point for every 2000-3000 feet of altitude but takes time to adapt and get there. This is one of the benefits of Olympic training center being in Colorado as well.
Everyone single one of them. (Assuming they aren’t on it now)
Great post!
Although you’re twenty years out.. Armstrong annihilation of Ulrich up Alpe D’Huez was 2001.
But yeah, too many people think that ‘doping’ is popping a pill & anybody & everybody could be top tier. Which isn’t true.
Happens all the time, late moto charge tempo. Chase from last to first (full moto). Herlings from last to first. Tomas 2015. PED? Nope.
Deegan is teenager. They have an advantage, besides genes.
A better question is give me a rider who wouldn't? This is no different than Ti bolts or a thousand other miniscule advantages that guys perceive others as having. It's the same thing everyone in baseball and cycling used to convince themselves of. I'm not cheating and I'd be just as good without it, but it's what I have to do to keep up and make things fair.
A lot of the stuff these guys get sold is just placebo and guys getting rich but if you don't think blood doping helps endurance athletes I don't know what to tell you?
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“I'm fully aware of PED. Probably more than most here.”
Given your comments, I seriously doubt it.
Everybody would benefit from using EPO.
Every rider, every fan, even your Gran.
Natural peak for cardiovascular fitness is not teenage years. Jmart talked about this in a pod recently as one of the reasons guys have figured out they can race longer and don't have to retire at 26.
Yeah my bad - my mind was thinking 2001 and my fingers typed 2021.
OK, not sure what to tell you then. I hope you're right. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure you aren't.
Ulrich was admittedly doping and had the same stuff available as Armstrong in '01.
It's not peak. Young people, up to teen age don't produce as much lactic acid and have much better aerobic capabilities.
No, give me a rider that you think would bump up in the result list if the used PED. Shouldn't be that hard since it has such an impact on how a rider would perform.
Benefit is not the same as generating a better result in mx.
Maybe this will give you a different perspective, from someone that's been there and done that.
Look for the rider who’s lap times drop off towards mid-end of the Moto. That guy!
But, We don’t know who is already using a PED programme and who isn’t..
I don’t really know what answer you’re looking for- you’ve already been told that all the riders would have better endurance if they used it.
When it comes to the cardiovascular system, which is what we are talking about, Deegan is in his infancy, his age actually hurts him in this department.
Your cardio peaks 25-35.
Any thoughts up in that head or just whatever ai says?
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