Eli out at Yamaha?

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He's not going anywhere. 

Yeah he is

Not this year he's not. 

No one was wondering about this year 😂

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Ozy wrote:
Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can...

Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can inject that will enable you to ride a 35 minute moto and be as strong at the 35 minute mark as you were at the 5 minute mark. Deegan's cardio is unreal! His hair isn't even drenched in sweat after the moto

Roids is used as a catch all for EPO/HGH etc these days because most people don’t know the difference. 

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5/27/2025 10:31am
Ozy wrote:
Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can...

Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can inject that will enable you to ride a 35 minute moto and be as strong at the 35 minute mark as you were at the 5 minute mark. Deegan's cardio is unreal! His hair isn't even drenched in sweat after the moto

Yes there is. 

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Ozy wrote:
Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can...

Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can inject that will enable you to ride a 35 minute moto and be as strong at the 35 minute mark as you were at the 5 minute mark. Deegan's cardio is unreal! His hair isn't even drenched in sweat after the moto

Sorry, but you're misinformed.

I'm not saying he's taking a damn thing.  But there are substances available that help with cardio. 

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Ozy wrote:
Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can...

Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can inject that will enable you to ride a 35 minute moto and be as strong at the 35 minute mark as you were at the 5 minute mark. Deegan's cardio is unreal! His hair isn't even drenched in sweat after the moto

UpTiTe wrote:

Yes there is. 

The funny part is that you actually think you know something

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soggy wrote:
I’m going to generalize here but I think people use genes/genetics as an excuse. I don’t think Swany is a better trainer then the rest but his...

I’m going to generalize here but I think people use genes/genetics as an excuse. 

I don’t think Swany is a better trainer then the rest but his program clearly works for Haiden. But the body is capable of incredible things if the mind is willing to push it there. 100 mile endurance running races used to be crazy, now we have people doing 250. 

I just think Haiden is willing and able to go to a level the rest of the field isn’t at this time. And he’s done it so much he expects to win and I think a lot of the rest of the field does too. 

Spoonguy wrote:
Thank God someone said this. Deegan comes from.behind and beats  the 40 best 250 riders in the world and hardly seems winded afterward. Sorry haters, he...

Thank God someone said this. Deegan comes from.behind and beats  the 40 best 250 riders in the world and hardly seems winded afterward. Sorry haters, he works his ass off the right way, obviously. If he beats you improve your training. If 30 + 2 tires you, which looking at the podiums it does all of them except Deegan, train harder. Which from many things your read or hear many do not. Sorry if you are a pro racer and compulsive about video games, fishing, or golfing, don't cry when you are Haiden's bitch on Saturday.

Haiden is doping. There, I said it. 

Whatever you think of the man as a general personality, there is no way Brian Deegan would allow this

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5/27/2025 1:48pm Edited Date/Time 5/27/2025 1:48pm
Spoonguy wrote:
Thank God someone said this. Deegan comes from.behind and beats  the 40 best 250 riders in the world and hardly seems winded afterward. Sorry haters, he...

Thank God someone said this. Deegan comes from.behind and beats  the 40 best 250 riders in the world and hardly seems winded afterward. Sorry haters, he works his ass off the right way, obviously. If he beats you improve your training. If 30 + 2 tires you, which looking at the podiums it does all of them except Deegan, train harder. Which from many things your read or hear many do not. Sorry if you are a pro racer and compulsive about video games, fishing, or golfing, don't cry when you are Haiden's bitch on Saturday.

Haiden is doping. There, I said it. 

Echo wrote:

Whatever you think of the man as a general personality, there is no way Brian Deegan would allow this

lol, the guy caught with a cheater bike in minis and then threatening a minor to keep the LL bike out of the hands of the opposition. Yeah he would totally put a stop to any shenanigans!

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Haiden is doping. There, I said it. 

Echo wrote:

Whatever you think of the man as a general personality, there is no way Brian Deegan would allow this

yak651 wrote:
lol, the guy caught with a cheater bike in minis and then threatening a minor to keep the LL bike out of the hands of the...

lol, the guy caught with a cheater bike in minis and then threatening a minor to keep the LL bike out of the hands of the opposition. Yeah he would totally put a stop to any shenanigans!

Bikes vs his son's body

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5/27/2025 2:14pm
Ozy wrote:
Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can...

Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can inject that will enable you to ride a 35 minute moto and be as strong at the 35 minute mark as you were at the 5 minute mark. Deegan's cardio is unreal! His hair isn't even drenched in sweat after the moto

UpTiTe wrote:

Yes there is. 

USA wrote:

The funny part is that you actually think you know something

No I don’t. 

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UpTiTe wrote:

Yes there is. 

USA wrote:

The funny part is that you actually think you know something

UpTiTe wrote:

No I don’t. 

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My current highest recorded was during a desert race at

171+ bpm for 46:24

153-171 for 1 hour and 48 minutes 

134-152 for 23:54

Almost ended up going to the hospital because I was on the verge of heat exhaustion. I could literally hear a woman singing in my ear 3/4 through the last 30 mile loop. Remember to hydrate folks!

Back to Tomac though, with the current release of the Ducati to the public. I guess we'll start seeing how people take to the Ducati, if its a power monster I'm sure itll help figure out whether he'll end up there.

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5/27/2025 3:05pm

Last couple pages of this thread got real stupid real fast 

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ando wrote:

You should get in contact with Star.  Sounds like you’ve thought of some angles that hadn’t occurred to them.

I really enjoy all the pseudo team managers on Vital throwing in how Star needs to "just find the money" to sign Eli. They dont even...

I really enjoy all the pseudo team managers on Vital throwing in how Star needs to "just find the money" to sign Eli. They dont even know that Star pays the 250 guys and Yamaha pays the 450 guys but they have all the solutions 

Guess what "Buehler", There is always a way

“Where there’s a will there’s a way”.  If there’s no will then there is no way…

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5/27/2025 4:15pm
Ozy wrote:
Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can...

Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can inject that will enable you to ride a 35 minute moto and be as strong at the 35 minute mark as you were at the 5 minute mark. Deegan's cardio is unreal! His hair isn't even drenched in sweat after the moto

"His hair isn't even drenched in sweat after the moto"

Not sweating is a side effect of many drugs!

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5/27/2025 4:19pm
Ozy wrote:
Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can...

Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can inject that will enable you to ride a 35 minute moto and be as strong at the 35 minute mark as you were at the 5 minute mark. Deegan's cardio is unreal! His hair isn't even drenched in sweat after the moto

"His hair isn't even drenched in sweat after the moto"

Not sweating is a side effect of many drugs!

Which ones? Educate us

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5/27/2025 4:27pm
Ozy wrote:
Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can...

Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can inject that will enable you to ride a 35 minute moto and be as strong at the 35 minute mark as you were at the 5 minute mark. Deegan's cardio is unreal! His hair isn't even drenched in sweat after the moto

"His hair isn't even drenched in sweat after the moto"

Not sweating is a side effect of many drugs!

Which ones? Educate us

Amitriptyline, diphenhydramine, oxybutynin, chlorpromazine, clozapine, quetiapine, topiramate, zonisamide, clonidine, fentanyl, morphine, hydrocodone, oxycodone, botulinum... and many more!

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5/27/2025 8:22pm

Last couple pages of this thread got real stupid real fast 

Not stupid, just different.  Well for the most part anyway.🤣

Just like the conversation flow in the garage in winter drinking too much beer.

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5/27/2025 8:23pm Edited Date/Time 5/27/2025 8:24pm

Haiden is doping. There, I said it. 

Echo wrote:

Whatever you think of the man as a general personality, there is no way Brian Deegan would allow this

yak651 wrote:
lol, the guy caught with a cheater bike in minis and then threatening a minor to keep the LL bike out of the hands of the...

lol, the guy caught with a cheater bike in minis and then threatening a minor to keep the LL bike out of the hands of the opposition. Yeah he would totally put a stop to any shenanigans!

Roids or not, the kid is still hauling more ass then anyone out there and I don’t think roids will teach that. I don’t think he’s on anything, I think he just outworks everyone else. Put them all in a gym setting and Deegs will probably outwork all of his competition. I believe he was has will and want in him to go further then his competition. 

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5/27/2025 11:44pm
Ozy wrote:
Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can...

Tomac thread hijacked over Deegan physical conditioning. Roid strength and cardiovascular conditioning have zero correlation. There is no pill you can swallow or drug you can inject that will enable you to ride a 35 minute moto and be as strong at the 35 minute mark as you were at the 5 minute mark. Deegan's cardio is unreal! His hair isn't even drenched in sweat after the moto

Oh jeez… did you really just say that??

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5/28/2025 3:37am

"His hair isn't even drenched in sweat after the moto"

Not sweating is a side effect of many drugs!

Which ones? Educate us

Amitriptyline, diphenhydramine, oxybutynin, chlorpromazine, clozapine, quetiapine, topiramate, zonisamide, clonidine, fentanyl, morphine, hydrocodone, oxycodone, botulinum... and many more!

Uh......... oxycodone, hydrocodone, fentanyl help with motocross performance? Seems to be a disconnect on what we're talking about here. LoL when the guy said Haiden was doping did you think he meant getting high? Lmao morphine 

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5/28/2025 3:40am
Echo wrote:

Whatever you think of the man as a general personality, there is no way Brian Deegan would allow this

yak651 wrote:
lol, the guy caught with a cheater bike in minis and then threatening a minor to keep the LL bike out of the hands of the...

lol, the guy caught with a cheater bike in minis and then threatening a minor to keep the LL bike out of the hands of the opposition. Yeah he would totally put a stop to any shenanigans!

ohh_454 wrote:
Roids or not, the kid is still hauling more ass then anyone out there and I don’t think roids will teach that. I don’t think he’s...

Roids or not, the kid is still hauling more ass then anyone out there and I don’t think roids will teach that. I don’t think he’s on anything, I think he just outworks everyone else. Put them all in a gym setting and Deegs will probably outwork all of his competition. I believe he was has will and want in him to go further then his competition. 

I don’t see how multiple trainers, and multiple athletes are getting it that wrong to be that far behind. 

Skill- we can see that other riders have the skill to keep up. Hymas could this past weekend. But lacked the endurance. Not even just a little bit, but a lot. 
Is he lazy? Is his trainer crap? 

it’s not like Chance is new to fitness, nor will his trainer be- so how did they get it so wrong?? 
In fact- no trainer out there is getting it as right as Deegan is?? C’mon… 

The gap is too big. 

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Echo wrote:

Whatever you think of the man as a general personality, there is no way Brian Deegan would allow this

yak651 wrote:
lol, the guy caught with a cheater bike in minis and then threatening a minor to keep the LL bike out of the hands of the...

lol, the guy caught with a cheater bike in minis and then threatening a minor to keep the LL bike out of the hands of the opposition. Yeah he would totally put a stop to any shenanigans!

ohh_454 wrote:
Roids or not, the kid is still hauling more ass then anyone out there and I don’t think roids will teach that. I don’t think he’s...

Roids or not, the kid is still hauling more ass then anyone out there and I don’t think roids will teach that. I don’t think he’s on anything, I think he just outworks everyone else. Put them all in a gym setting and Deegs will probably outwork all of his competition. I believe he was has will and want in him to go further then his competition. 

He’s not doping, put them all in a gym to prove it!

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Even if Deegan is using PED’s, you still have to put the work in. It’s not magical. Otherwise everyone would be riding as good as him.

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72bu wrote:

Even if Deegan is using PED’s, you still have to put the work in. It’s not magical. Otherwise everyone would be riding as good as him.

Yeah the issue is the last 10min of the moto when his cheating allows him to maintain effort further into the moto than the competition who aren’t - if you think nobody else is training as hard as him and it’s as simple as that then all the best to ya.

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5/28/2025 4:44am

Gotta love being good enough your detractors assume you are cheating

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5/28/2025 4:52am

So, any rumblings of Eli’s plans for 2026?

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Rickyisms wrote:

So, any rumblings of Eli’s plans for 2026?

Bajaj 450 SX-F. 

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