Mirtl unloads on Jett Lawrence...

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DonM wrote:
"But how can You take so much from literally Jett speaking a couple words with zero context and nothing before or after of the video?"Those words...

"But how can You take so much from literally Jett speaking a couple words with zero context and nothing before or after of the video?"

Those words don't need any context, it's very simple they should never be used by a white man in any context. Period. 

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

So I can't go coon hunting anymore, or do you just assume that it's racist that it's called that because I'm white?

GrapeApe wrote:
Back before the metroplex swallowed up Frisco. They changed it to Raccoons in '02 to remove any ambiguity. lolWhat a mess of a thread 

Back before the metroplex swallowed up Frisco. They changed it to Raccoons in '02 to remove any ambiguity. lol

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What a mess of a thread

 

I remember that well.

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JTno$ wrote:

His read of America’s history is an account of his and his friends’ experiences. His examples are personal and based off his feelings. 

So is your read, frankly.

How does Craig's perspective distort American history?

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SEEMEFIRST wrote:

So I can't go coon hunting anymore, or do you just assume that it's racist that it's called that because I'm white?

GrapeApe wrote:
Back before the metroplex swallowed up Frisco. They changed it to Raccoons in '02 to remove any ambiguity. lolWhat a mess of a thread 

Back before the metroplex swallowed up Frisco. They changed it to Raccoons in '02 to remove any ambiguity. lol

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What a mess of a thread

 

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

I remember that well.

Do you remember the whorehouse/doublewide at the corner of what is now Preston and 121? Frisco used to party.

 

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So is your read, frankly.

How does Craig's perspective distort American history?

Ahh nice try.  Just because the definition of skewed COULD include distorted reality, it does not have to include all criteria, to be classified as skewed. 

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5/20/2025 1:56pm

Is this still "moto related?"

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So is your read, frankly.

How does Craig's perspective distort American history?

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Ahh nice try.  Just because the definition of skewed COULD include distorted reality, it does not have to include all criteria, to be classified as skewed. 

That's a non answer - the shell game of making a distinction without a difference.

Is your perspective not skewed?  

What's errant in Craig's "skewed" perspective? 

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Mission accomplished by Myrtl to distract from his meth binge and theft of Lawrence family funds...

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Is this still "moto related?"

Sorry I shouldn't have brought up the whorehouse

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5/20/2025 2:12pm

Time for the dumgeon 

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5/20/2025 2:13pm Edited Date/Time 5/20/2025 2:15pm

That's a non answer - the shell game of making a distinction without a difference.

Is your perspective not skewed?  

What's errant in Craig's "skewed" perspective? 

His perspective is that him and and his black friends were mistreated as teens. His perspective is that it was only that way because he/they are black.  He guaranteed it would not be the same if his skin color was different.

So the account of American history that he wrote about is only his biased view. He could have brought up numerous nation wide scandals/events to prove his point.  Only using his experiences makes it personal and biased. One could also argue it’s an emotional viewpoint due to his closeness to the situation. 

His guarantee can not be proven. Thus making that part of his perspective irrational.

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5/20/2025 2:21pm Edited Date/Time 5/20/2025 2:22pm

How is it inaccurate? 

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Mission accomplished by Myrtl to distract from his meth binge and theft of Lawrence family funds...

Yep that's exactly what's happened, he turned an issue of theft into a race issue enabled by those now arguing about race. Oh and you can be certain who ever was behind the camera would have been laughing along with it and saying the same things that Jett was saying only there was no one recording them.

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Brosho wrote:
Thanks.  My point about maybe a fake injury is because often times when scandals or drama similar to this comes out on celebs and athletes, their...

Thanks.  My point about maybe a fake injury is because often times when scandals or drama similar to this comes out on celebs and athletes, their handlers tell them to lay low or stay out of the public’s eye for a while,  that is what my opinion is based on.  None of us really know much of anything except seeing an actual video of Jett using those words. Some here dismiss it due to his age at the time. But I guarantee you if I had done anything either criminal or abusive towards someone else at the age of 14 It would not have simply brushed away as a childish act.  I know for fact.  Because I have seen very harsh sentences towards other black friends who were 14 and younger doing “Childish things”. 

I know I have very little idea of what it may be like to be  black. The closest I get is being a young male and...

I know I have very little idea of what it may be like to be  black. The closest I get is being a young male and being profiled by the police , pulled over often because of that, as a teenager in a mostly white area .  And maybe I am very ignorant to some of the undertones of racism. I'm not trying to tell You what to be offended by or what not to be offended by.

 But how can You take so much from literally Jett speaking a couple words  with  zero context and nothing before or after of the video?

I get that there can be a lot of hate behind those words. But for me, it's hard to be offended by just hearing the word and not knowing what was said or asked before of after. He could have said just about anything before or after. And the way he was giggling just makes it harder for me to believe he was using the words in a hateful way.  

I have the point of view that if the clips were longer they may not have made Jett look as bad. Otherwise why not include more of the damming speech from Jett ?  By clipping it like that while trying to portray Jett in the worst way, it makes me think that showing more of the video would make it clear there wasn't hate behind the words.  

 

If Jett was directing those words at somebody specific or attaching some sort of hate with the way he was speaking I'm sure I would feel differently. I would be really disappointed. But for me, right now I'm just not willing to condemn him for what I saw in that video. 

 

I feel like Mirtl intentionally used just those clips  and tried to imply the missing context himself to make it sound as bad as possible and make Jett look as bad as possible. I consider myself lucky that there is no single word I can think of that would offend me with zero context. So perhaps it's just that simple that I'm unable to put myself in that place . I would like to believe that I simple refuse to judge a person based off of such little info. I look at all of the other stuff Jett has said and done and he seems like a decent kid. 

 

I also ask myself, if the Lawrences are these super racist monsters and horrible humans,why was Mirtl so close with them? At the beginning there wasn't the crazy money there is now. Maybe a hint of the talent. But Mirtl painting the Lawrences as horrible people , yet he would still be working for them if he had his choice, tells me that either they are not monsters, OR Mirtl is himself a monster. Otherwise why would he be so close and buddy buddy with them?  If he had quit, I may have a different opinion .But if that video was designed to make Jett look as bad as possible, its 2 clips that are from a long time ago and from a few years apart. And only a handful of words.

 If Jett is really a bad guy, I feel like there would be much more than 4 seconds of him saying a couple words over the long period Mirtl worked with him. Maybe thats episode 2, maybe Mirtl is using this as a warning shot , and knows its not showing Jett in the worst light possible. For me it just looks like a kid that is saying words to get a reaction from the filmer. Perhaps a longer clip would change that opinion , but I believe that is why the clips are so short. So Mirtl can try to control how people feel about it. 

Brosho wrote:
“ But how can You take so much from literally Jett speaking a couple words  with  zero context and nothing before or after of the video?”Because...

“ But how can You take so much from literally Jett speaking a couple words  with  zero context and nothing before or after of the video?”


Because he should immediately put out an explanation and apology.  It’s very simple. 

I get it, and agree to a point.  But the bleeped out word he used is used often in songs . I sponsored a kid ( 17 year old local Pro at the time)  that would use that word to describe a close friend. I had to explain to him that a lot of people would take it differently and that he shouldn't be using it so much. Some kids hear it in songs and just don't have the hate associated with the word. That is why I find it hard to judge him just based off the word alone.   

I myself would never use those words in rage no matter how mad I was at somebody. I honestly do not feel right thinking the word. But I could understand a kid not realizing the gravity of using them and just placing them alongside the other naughty words.  

For me, I try and take what the person's intent is along with what they are saying and doing. A perceived insult, is not an insult if the person intended it to be a compliment.  And a word along that is not directed towards any body. Not even in a very general way is hard for me to judge somebody off of. Especially a young kid. If the video was from a year ago, that may have some more impact and I would be more on the side of WTF is he thinking. If Mirtl could only dig up those few seconds of stand alone words, it shows me more about Mirtl than Jett.  

 

 Lets say , perhaps that Jett and the Lawrences are dealing with some sort of extortion  or blackmail from Mirtl and his Lawyers told him not to respond. I know it's kind of a stretch.  But it's also not very far from possible. 

 

I do hope that he helps add context to it and apologizes .     

 

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LungButter wrote:

You remind me of another member from Texas that got their account clicked around the same timeframe that yours showed up.

Life is full of coincidences.... 

GrapeApe wrote:

Yes this is the most recent incarnation of RandomUserName, the bane of ML's existence

disbanded wrote:

Exactly,  and no one will hold it against ML if he clipped him again, which he should.  Along with a few others.

So GuyB, this is your new account?

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5/20/2025 2:33pm Edited Date/Time 5/21/2025 4:08am

How is it inaccurate? 

The part where he implies racism only goes one direction would be a start. Racism is everywhere and goes all directions.  

Also, maybe the fact that his posts towards not only me but others, have more racial undertones than you or him are willing to acknowledge.  His rant about 99% of the board is enough proof of his own racism.  

The history of racism in this country is not okay, nor should it ever have been. However, treating every white person like they are racist due to the actions of others from years and years in the past, is not acceptable, either. In my opinion.

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Would the VitalMX mob give Deegan a pass if it was him instead of Jett??  Nope, there would be 6 threads going to bash him and his family, demand apologies, demand reparation payments, and start a protest to revoke his AMA license.

The Jett apology is coming soon...wait for it.

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So someone is unfaithful and someone is doing lines Mirtl?  And someone is buying illegal substances with a fraudulent bank account opened with a fake ID and having it Fedex'd to Utah?

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5/20/2025 3:05pm

So basically Deegs is Matthew Quigley and Jett is Elliot Marston?

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So basically Deegs is Matthew Quigley and Jett is Elliot Marston?

900 yards...

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5/20/2025 4:02pm Edited Date/Time 5/20/2025 4:03pm

I wonder if he’s planning the perfect time to drop it. I feel like night before press day? These videos can’t take that much work so I’m surprised he made a post to say this is “in production”, hopefully he goes full universal studios on us

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GrapeApe wrote:
Back before the metroplex swallowed up Frisco. They changed it to Raccoons in '02 to remove any ambiguity. lolWhat a mess of a thread 

Back before the metroplex swallowed up Frisco. They changed it to Raccoons in '02 to remove any ambiguity. lol

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What a mess of a thread

 

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

I remember that well.

GrapeApe wrote:

Do you remember the whorehouse/doublewide at the corner of what is now Preston and 121? Frisco used to party.

 

Sounds familiar, but that's been a while.

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5/20/2025 5:45pm Edited Date/Time 5/20/2025 5:46pm
JTno$ wrote:
The part where he implies racism only goes one direction would be a start. Racism is everywhere and goes all directions.  Also, maybe the fact that...

The part where he implies racism only goes one direction would be a start. Racism is everywhere and goes all directions.  

Also, maybe the fact that his posts towards not only me but others, have more racial undertones than you or him are willing to acknowledge.  His rant about 99% of the board is enough proof of his own racism.  

The history of racism in this country is not okay, nor should it ever have been. However, treating every white person like they are racist due to the actions of others from years and years in the past, is not acceptable, either. In my opinion.

I can tell you from personal experience running into Craig at races that he doesn't treat every white person like he or she is racist.  And there doesn't seem to be anything in what he said denying that racism infects all ethic and racial groups.  It's a faultline across history long before the US was born and played its own history out.  

It's fair for him to resist people who dismiss or discount black Americans' experience and lay it on him having a "skewed" perspective.  A jew in NAZI Germany had a skewed perspective, but that didn't make that perspective inaccurate.  History is the sum total of different groups' "skewed" perspectives.

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Would the VitalMX mob give Deegan a pass if it was him instead of Jett??  Nope, there would be 6 threads going to bash him and...

Would the VitalMX mob give Deegan a pass if it was him instead of Jett??  Nope, there would be 6 threads going to bash him and his family, demand apologies, demand reparation payments, and start a protest to revoke his AMA license.

The Jett apology is coming soon...wait for it.

I see many people disliking Jett in threads . I really thought that there would be much more uproar here. 

  Haiden and Jett both seem to have a large proportion of love or hate.  Me personally I don't care who it was, if the situation is the same. A former employee that was fired for steeling , posts a video of one of his former boss's saying 2 words . What if its not even real and that's why we have not heard from Jett?  Mirtl has already tried to buy ML's backing.  Just about anybody who could edit a video together like Mirtl did could fake those clips. Cooksey has jumped the gun more than a time or 2 without doing much to confirm something from more than a single source. 

 

 My parents were pretty relaxed as far as what we could say.  But if a video came out like that of me , they wouldn't need context . They would be very disappointed unless I provided a good reason for them not to be.  I can understand the feelings of  wanting Jett to say something. But if its never Ok, its still not going to be OK if he apologizes or provides context. If its ok if he issues an apology , how can context NOT matter.  That apology would add context to the video.  

 

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um, wrong about what? I still disagree with his stance on "reporting" but I am not here to "argue" about it....just talkin'...have a better day.

USA wrote:
So, is your stance on "reporting" that it should be mainly comprised of gossip amd hearsay? Are you keeping up with the current story and understanding that...

So, is your stance on "reporting" that it should be mainly comprised of gossip amd hearsay? 

Are you keeping up with the current story and understanding that there is nothing significant to report on other than this? Same woth the Jason Anderson story. 

DonM wrote:
Yes, he is a Kooksey guy....I find it comical that these know nothings come on here and tell the media how to do their job but...

Yes, he is a Kooksey guy....I find it comical that these know nothings come on here and tell the media how to do their job but has zero knowledge of how to do it themselves...maybe he should just get a room with that usename guy that got banned because all he did was bitch about the media and ML.... 

You clowns are bought and paid for, the few smart ones see that.  You are the CNN of Moto.

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How some of you are acting in this thread


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USA wrote:
So, is your stance on "reporting" that it should be mainly comprised of gossip amd hearsay? Are you keeping up with the current story and understanding that...

So, is your stance on "reporting" that it should be mainly comprised of gossip amd hearsay? 

Are you keeping up with the current story and understanding that there is nothing significant to report on other than this? Same woth the Jason Anderson story. 

DonM wrote:
Yes, he is a Kooksey guy....I find it comical that these know nothings come on here and tell the media how to do their job but...

Yes, he is a Kooksey guy....I find it comical that these know nothings come on here and tell the media how to do their job but has zero knowledge of how to do it themselves...maybe he should just get a room with that usename guy that got banned because all he did was bitch about the media and ML.... 

LLOYD22 wrote:

You clowns are bought and paid for, the few smart ones see that.  You are the CNN of Moto.

Who are you referring too? 

5/20/2025 9:31pm
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What a shit show this place has turned into without GuyB. 

Guyb banned people for having a personality and a sense of humor he could not get. Me amongst them. 

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DonM wrote:
Yes, he is a Kooksey guy....I find it comical that these know nothings come on here and tell the media how to do their job but...

Yes, he is a Kooksey guy....I find it comical that these know nothings come on here and tell the media how to do their job but has zero knowledge of how to do it themselves...maybe he should just get a room with that usename guy that got banned because all he did was bitch about the media and ML.... 

LLOYD22 wrote:

You clowns are bought and paid for, the few smart ones see that.  You are the CNN of Moto.

jaun wrote:

Who are you referring too? 

I'm guessing he thinks @DonM  is @swap ...in a thread where Don already told brosho that he's not that Donn.

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