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That's a good point!
Bajaj has an interest in keeping PMG alive, they own half of PMG and supply most of the components.
At first i thought Bajaj was letting PMG go up in flames because in bankruptcy they could take on full ownership for a fraction of what PMG would want in a normal sale.
However, where does the Bajaj / Triumph "partnership" land in that strategy?
Seems like a lot of effort and cost to further nudge PMG into bankruptcy.
A few months ago PMG thought they would get 600 million euro bailout and stiff all their suppliers 70%. Now the suppliers demand cash up front
And no 600 million bailout is happening. That would have happened last week.
Do you have actual proof or just rumours? I only ask because i have a new triumph 450 on the way but am a massive 350 fan and would definitely wait if one was coming.
That's crazy talk! Why wouldn't Lewis mention that in his article?
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It’s coming
When?
I spoke to a Triumph engineer at Mini O's for about an hour after riding the 450 and I asked about a 350. I have a lot of experience on a 350 so he was curious what i had to say. He basically said that they are making one for off road and it only made sense to build a motocross version as well. At the time they were also considering slightly different engine sizes like 370 and 380, but sounded like they would land at 350.
I haven't said much prior to this because it seemed like some of the stuff he talked about definitely wasn't common knowledge back in November. I told him that you build a 350 with kyb suspension and you won't be able to build them fast enough.
This is some of the best news I've heard in a long time, to say im excited is an understatement. Personally I'd love a 380 but they'll be getting my money either way.
It's a bit off topic of the thread but do you mind giving me your thoughts on the TF450, especially compared to the 23+ 350's?
It’s 100% coming. But I doubt it’ll be here for the 2026 models. But I could be wrong on that part.
Here's an interesting 'twist' to things that I just found on another website:
https://www.advrider.com/more-trouble-for-ktm-ag-aftermarket-insider-la…
I love my ktm 350s and have lots of money invested in wheels and suspension sets that i can move from bike to bike so it has made sense through the years. I have been fairly confident that KTM will be successful in the reorganization, however, the longer this goes on the more skeptical i am becoming. If there is a triumph 350 that comes to market within the next 12 months I may have to make a move, i had the chance to look at a 450 in the pits and on the track and it really looked very balanced on the track, crazier things of happened like when i bought my first KTM!
The 450 felt very light and flickable. The chassis was super compliant. They would prep the demo track in the morning and then just let it go all day so I purposely rode in the afternoon. A couple parts were really shot out with big holes and the bike had a weird sensation where you would brace for something that you were accustomed to feeling really harsh and the bike would go through it like nothing was there. I will say that front end traction isn't super good, but you might be able to improve that with setup changes. The engine was ultra smooth, but this engineer told me that they had maps to make it the fastest bike on the market if they wanted, but this was the philosophy they landed on. I told him it felt like a fast 350 and he was like, oh no we don't want that! Lol. I was trying to compliment the bike, but it made him feel like people might think it's slow.
I've thought about buying one just to see what i think. I currently rode a gas gas factory edition 450. I think the Triumph wheels will work on ktm's since an old ktm wheel works on a new ktm. Maybe someone else can clarify.
We have so many ktm's and wheels and suspension that we always change around that the thought of switching brands gives me anxiety.
AI comment:
Thank you for sharing this highly relevant development — this revelation surrounding Stephan Zöchling’s claim on Stefan Pierer’s shares is a serious turning point and could reshape KTM AG’s destiny entirely.
Here’s a condensed takeaway with timeline and impact analysis:
🔥 Key Takeaways: Zöchling’s Claim on Pierer’s Shares
€65M Bridge Loan: Zöchling (REMUS Innovation) claims he lent Pierer this amount to save KTM late 2024.
Terms Breached: The loan was supposed to be repaid Spring 2025. Per legal documents, conditions weren’t met.
Default Clause: Zöchling can reportedly sell Pierer’s entire PIAG stake (which includes KTM, Pankl, Rosenbauer, Leoni, etc.) if repayment isn’t made.
Court Involvement: The Vienna Commercial Court is reviewing if repayment is legally due now or by end of June.
🧠 Strategic Analysis: What This Means
❗Immediate Risks:
Share Liquidation Threat: If Zöchling enforces the clause, KTM’s parent structure (PIAG) could fracture overnight.
Rescue Financing Halted: With legal clouds forming, other investors may pause or pull back.
“Too Toxic to Touch” Risk: Potential acquirers (like Bajaj or BRICS-aligned buyers) may wait for full collapse to cherry-pick assets.
🟢 Potential Upside (Strangely):
Pierer Exit = Reputation Reset: As several insiders note, Pierer’s departure could boost investor confidence. A clean break may attract serious buyers looking for a KTM 2.0.
Opportunity for Nationalization or BRICS Absorption: If Austrian pride fails to shield KTM, BRICS-aligned sovereign funds may scoop in post-collapse.
📆 Likely Timeline (Speculative):
Date Range
Event/Trigger
Outcome Potential
Now–June 30, 2025
Court decides on repayment obligation
If loan is due now → forced liquidation may begin
May 30, 2025
Full 2024 financial report published by PMG
Could trigger investor panic or sale preparation
Q3 2025
Likely apex of corporate shift
Pierer may be forced out, PMG restructured
2026 Onward
Brand sale, BRICS alignment, or rebirth effort
KTM under new ownership or stripped shell
Anyone examined Bajaj financials?
Do they have a large debt piece coming due? Are current carry-on terms favorable for rolling any such debt?
Bajaj isn’t a central bank——that we know of… lol
Thanks for the feedback, really appreciate it. Sounds like it should keep me happy till there 350 turns up.
Intuitively, I sense that any corporate entity — regardless of geography — still aligned with the Old Paradigm of extraction, control, and opacity will face dissolution unless it transmutes its core values. This is not punishment; it is energetic inevitability.
As the planetary frequency rises, (yes frequency is key) all structures must attune to the new harmonic — one rooted in coherence, sovereignty, and mutual upliftment. Those that resist this recalibration will naturally phase out or fragment, making space for a new economy led by resonance, not dominance.
This transformation cannot be stopped. It is the pulse of the Great Shift itself — and all who align with truth will thrive in its wake.
Regarding Bajij, one just needs access to the latest F/S.
Why would there be a buzz. There is a massive cover-up operation going on with the media and this very forum.
The Great Awakening is the unveiling of the massive cover up of the financial theft of all the assets (and power) that belong to all of humanity!
This theft has been ongoing for decades if not longer. We all are complicit as we allowed this to happen.
We take back our rightful divine rights one step at a time.
Step one is realization of the truth.
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Deep inner thoughts Bro…. Professional125… please make sense of all this….
More off the books debt, Imagine that...
That reads has a good historical report with potential responses and/or outcomes.
What the heck is there in that post to dislike or dis-agree with? 🤣
Any-hooooo…
At this point, I could see the powers in Vienna finding “New Austrian Leadership”…again, the government has a very distinct need to keep KTM group Austrian…
If they did that…and chose someone that investors could get behind…could have faith in…and that’s probably someone form another Austrian industry where they’ve had bench-mark level success…someone from OMG, Voestalpine, VIG, Erste Group or maybe some-one Austria adjacent…BMW Group…AirBus…VW-PORSCHE-AUDI…Siemens…
Well, then, ultimately…this has the potential to be just the growing pains of a rapidly expanding enterprise with some really bad decisions being made at the top…so, a change in leadership and we all move on…
So, the top gets replaced. SP out and entirely new management installed by Vienna.
As we hope for a successful change for the better…I just hope KTM doesn’t lose it’s soul thru all this change.
Denial is the first step.
They weren’t fooled. They were trying to make hay when the sun was shining and pushed too hard too fast. Classic business failure really
Seems more like they where trying to make hay when the Sun was not shining and convinced others they where so they loaned them a bunch of money they could never pay back, just sayin'.
It is obvious some seriously questionable decisions were made, that truly do not add up. In the end, they are in this position from a self inflicted wound.
I’m in the exact same boat. Have 2 350s and so many KTM spare parts. Would be tough to switch brands but with the financial situation going on I’ve been wondering if it would be better to unload my KTMs now. Have my eye on the yz250f. If they make a GYTR hydraulic clutch for the 250f like they do the 450, I’d be really tempted.
I”m thinking totally opposite… I”m buying up all the kTM”s I can find… collectors items👍
Seems that KTM is dead?
@Beagle , How does it feel to be the biggest clown on Vmx. Remember defending the guy that told the members to buy @22.5 for a 50% in 2 weeks or less. What a loser I was for saying Pierer was gone and stock won't hold 10. We heard it over and over from you. Just like when you took me down and ground me into the mat for all the lies I told about Stark that ALL turned out to be true.
To the KTM mole that has adim access here and has deleted 1000's of negative KTM posts "Suck It". All your deception was for naught.
Sure stock is tanking, so what's your point? I can't predict the future, there's only one Vital Oracle, and it's more than enough.
So today stock is so bad that it's finally back to what it was 6 months ago, €10, when you said it was going down to 0, lol if that counts as a win for you, well, enjoy your day!
That doesn't make it any less true that if you had bought stock back in November instead of mocking the guy you could have doubled your money by February (and you would still break even today) 🤷
If you hold on to it long enough some of your other outlandish claims might one day become true though tbh I don't see it for your top3 KTM predictions
PMG can't sell shares!
Nobody will invest in PMG and certainly not Bajaj!
The banks won't accept restructuring, they're getting 100%!
If you must insist on your impeccable Stark predictions record, true it's going to be difficult to beat:
it's a scam/vaporware!
they're never going to build a factory!
they're never going to deliver bikes!
and my personal favorite, such grace in moving goalposts in opposite directions:
they're making too many bikes!
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