I typically try to avoid political topics over here, but I'm genuinely curious what Trump supporters think of this as I'm personally at a loss. If this goes through, my wife's entire career/industry goes away and I'll have to give up riding/sell my bike as we won't be able to afford the risk of injury if I'm the only income. How is being able to kill Bald Eagles a positive change? Am I reading this wrong?
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Because right now we regulated ourselves out of being competitive globally and even being reasonable.
Some of the regulatory things coming our way was going to be disastrous.
If she loses her current job it doesn’t mean she won’t be able to get another job, you won’t have to be single income forever.
Fingers crossed you guys do great, but I think this change was necessary.
Look at a small example like Freon, then it got changed to whatever type and then whatever type and then whatever type.
The newest type slated for houses is incredibly flammable and way more complicated and of course way more expensive.
Every time it gets more dangerous and way more expensive, and less reliable and less repairable.
Complete bull shit.
Or for example diesel engine. Went from being indestructible to more temperamental than a 70s two stroke race bike and just as many failures, that’s progress you can count on!
I really love the fact regulations are so ridiculous here it’s cheaper to ship a bumper to Mexico, have it chromed there, and ship it back because of all the epa bull shit here. So to be green, we will ship it there on whatever fossil fuel burning vehicle , have it chromed there in the least responsible manner possible, and ship it back, rather than just reasonably and responsibly do it here.
But the regulations got so convoluted nothing can reasonably or effectively be done here.
I don't think there's anyone that could say anything in here that might change your perspective, because if I were in your shoes, I'd certainly understand your position. Hope everything works out great for your wife.
America has over regulated and over red taped ourselves into oblivion. The Empire State Building took 410 days to build with 3400 people in 1930 compared to 7 years and 4 months to build One World Trade Center in the 2010s. I know this is somewhat of an “apples to oranges” comparison, but it’s an example of red tape. Like yz133 mentioned above, look at diesel engines. You add DEF, and all other EPA regulations to them, the result is an expensive and unreliable product. A deleted diesel truck gets around 28 mpg while a “factory” diesel truck gets 16. The factory truck may have a little less emissions, but what’s more costly to the environment, more diesel being used or less emissions?
I could be on board with/understand this. But what I posted is something else entirely
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What does she actually do? Trying to understand what industry she's in.
We have a lot of bird sanctuaries down here ect... wild life preservation is a big deal and will always be.. But the main thing getting into that stuff is there's no money or job security unless they have a DVM / VMD or a PHD in wildlife medicine or zoological medicine. Seems like the rest of their teams are volunteers that work for peanuts like retired veterinarians.
As for the OP, the Endangered Species Act (and all the other environmental laws on the books) have gone far beyond their original intent…and are now perverted by the radical environmental groups in this country to drag the federal government through endless law suits, and/or they leverage them to progress their agenda…for example:
Look what the greenies are trying to do as a result of the sage grouse throughout the west? Trying to use the ESA and sage grouse to close millions of acres of federal land to development and OHV access…
How many acres of forest have been closed (and how many logging jobs lost) to protect an endangered insect or plant?
It goes on and on…
I may have missed it…but I really wish the Equal Access to Justice Act was on this list…that is the law that allows tax payers to fund all the greenie group law suits, and keep the coffers full for these extreme groups that file law suits over every little things.
And I wish the wilderness act was on here…maybe not getting rid of it…but amending it so that it takes an act of congress to declare any area a wilderness area.
So I guess I wish this went a little further…all of these changes are going to be painful…more painful to some than others (OP, it does suck for your wife, and I hope you guys land on your feet…I’m sure you will)…but it’s a necessary pain, and if the next administration stays the course, and doesn’t reverse everything Trump is doing, the country will be far better off.
Unfortunately for you, very few people in here will care, as long as it’s not happening to them it’s all good.
Remember the hole in the ozone layer? It’s gone now thanks to banning Freon, etc.
I remember when the greenies killed the timber industry in the Northwest back in the early to mid 1990's over the spotted owl.
The story they sold us was by saving the owl from extinction it was going to help with soil erosion,flooding and better water quality(it didn't).
Thousands upon thousands were out of work - the government offered them free job retraining with a very little budget.
The cost of timber started going up at that time and has ever since. Nothing good came out of it.
I'm sorry for your struggles, my family felt the same way when the previous administration eliminated over 100,000 jobs in the energy industry.
Down in the Philippines…Mt Pinatibo went off…went off HUGE! It was 1991…
We flew the TR1 thru its “after effect” & found that the hole you speak of…seems to control its opening and closing based on inputs other than what we thought. Oddly, Al Gore and his Environmental Panic Cabal didn’t want to review the data.
So, he moved on to…
“Climate Change”
I thought you guys were the ones that spouted…
“Follow the science”?
Hyperbole doesn't help your argument. "Killing bald eagles"....gotta push those 'patriotic' buttons, eh? Why not throw in 'veterans' and 'our democracy' too? It's like "but what about the keeds? waa-waa-waa". 🤣
Geezus....cut the crybaby shit, and stop watching TV "news".
Lots of legalese mumbo-jumbo, but this seems to be the gist of it:
This order directs certain agencies to incorporate a sunset provision into their regulations governing energy production to the extent permitted by law, thus compelling those agencies to reexamine their regulations periodically to ensure that those rules serve the public good.
In plain English, CUT UNNECESSARY REGULATIONS. Nobody is "killing bald eagles", OR making it legal.
Feel free to correct my English comprehension, or point out where it says so.
About half of Americans couldn't see the forest for the trees if they were lost in it. Big picture, boys!
In my 100% absolutely totally oil-dependent industry, a good 1/3 to 1/2 of my supposedly smart and educated colleagues voted for Biden to shut down the oil industry. No petroleum products, the machines don't move, you're OUT of a job, NOW. That's beyond short-sighted, that's just plain DUMB. Anyone who knowingly votes him/her self back into the 1800s is just a dumbass.
I laughed my ass off when the FIRST thing Biden did back in 2020 was shut down that XL pipeline out of Canada, next thing you saw was the union boss crying in his beer on TV about "11000 jobs gone".... two days after he'd put out a snarky publlic statement on their website about "Trump the rapist pussy-grabber felon billionaire bla-bla-bla vote for Biden" 🤣
I wonder if he learned to code, or just joined the Free Shit Army? I mean... "union official"...it's not as if that's a marketable skill, eh?
Like all the government red-tape Kling-ons.....
You DO understand that your wife's "career" (reading betweent he lines, seems to be some pseudo-scientific "consultancy" to government agencies that create more regulations) is already impacting your riding, no? And will sooner rather than later shut it down or ban your dirtbike?
And you DO understand that those 11000 union jobs went POOF!! thanks to someone in the same "industry" as your wife, no?
See the big picture?
All you have to do is look at Kaliforniya, the "Golden Shower State" -- guess who gets pissed on?
YOU.
I'll just gloss over all the rest of that, but I wasn't using hyperbole. I do believe I even asked in my original post, "am I reading this wrong?" If you're right, then I was reading it wrong. I took it as literally removing the migratory bird act, which would very much legalize killing bald eagles. I don't watch TV news l, and I didn't provide a clickbait article, I used the white house website. For what it's worth, I hope you're right and I'm misinterpreting it and its vaguely written verbiage.
But this is why I don't like to share too many details about stuff, people get really fucking creepy and hateful on the internet and will do weird shit to "get" somebody back.
I truly didn’t mean to make any of my responses towards you about that, I literally said fingers crossed for you guys, I want us all to crush it in our own lives, but I do think some of these regulations are a bridge too far.
Every week there’s a new reason to think the sky is falling, my company is announcing 50% service cuts and if that goes through, workforce reduction is surely on the horizon. I am in jeopardy here myself and that seems to be related to federal and state funding nonsense, so I’m not immune to all this either.
Like I've told my family, I'm 100% on board with fixing governmental overreach. However, I don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. There are some things that the EPA and other organizations got got right, and there are some that are ridiculous constraints on America's potential. Let's get rid of the bad regulations and keep the things that really matter.
The Migratory Bird Act isn't what protects bald eagles. The Bald Eagle Protection Act is what protects them.
Remember all the oil pipeline guys that were told ' learn to code'..
If your job only exists because of protectionary measures, then its always likely that it will go away when sanity bites.
Stay out of American topics!!!!
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You're fine, I asked for an alternate opinion and you gave me what I asked for. The guy calling my wife a quack/the devil when he has no idea what she actually does is what I was afraid of when I started this thread.
To be clear, I don't believe snuffing a creature out that has existed on this planet for millions of years so we can build ritzy condos or Coca Cola can save 0.5% on shipping costs over the next few years is morally right. I do understand how someone who has no idea said creature even existed in the first place, and it's existence has zero affect on their daily life or their livelihood would not share that opinion though. I don't agree, but I understand why you feel that way.
I really do feel for coal miners having their career they've based their lives around go away. I have friends who lost their mining jobs when then mine closed (some due to stricter regulations, some the mine had simply run its course) while I personally benefitted from stricter coal regulations by getting the job of building the natural gas boiler buildings to phase out the coal dump/boilers at a local plant. So I've seen both sides of that coin.
Pipeliners though? C'mon, like they weren't all going to drag up at 6 months anyway and move onto the next job? 😉
My mistake, I was using the migratory bird act as a catch all blanket. The Bald and Golden Eagle Protection act is on this list as well though.
I'm interested in what the nuclear portion of the order is about, I can see it as the 1 thing from this I may be in favor of.
In regards to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. In a nutshell they issue licenses and regulate civilian use of nuclear energy. Mostly medical type stuff. When something nuke related goes missing - they find it. It doesnt happen very often. We talked about them in a thread a month back or so. Here's an example of something that went missing. https://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/event-status/event/2024/20241218en.html
How much they will cut , I don't know.
Basically to figure out for instance folks working in the private sec with gov contracts. You have to know what company is providing the contracts then dig up the contracts. And see if there was any mod after Trump came back in office.That Mod is more than likely a budget cut.
Since we are on the topic I can give a neat example. Like stuff with so-called black budgets such as Dream Land / Area 51 security guards.
I know that on July 25th 2023 that they renewed their contract with G4S until July 24 2028. However, back on Feb 26th the contract was modified. I'm pretty sure it was budget cuts. So basically some of those guys are going to get hours cut or even let go. We might even see head lines Trump is trying to let Aliens escape Area 51 - he cut security! LOL ( joking about last part
I’ve seen time and time again regulatory agencies overstep their bounds. The Corp of Engineers in their designation of any watershed being jurisdictional as an example. Or the inability to clean up our forests after the beetle kill which lead to violent wildfires (much larger than nature intended). Probably doing much more harm than the clean up process itself would have.
Lack of common sense and cooperation got them into this mess. Time will tell if industry takes advantage of it and goes back to practices leading to their creation. I hope not.
I’ll be quite honest, did you expect less from me, this is bullshit. I’m not a fan of the Birkenstock wearing, save the Arizona dung beetle folks; but complete deregulation would also be a mess. Just go look at China’s brown air! Makes L.A. smog look like a clear mountain morning.
Many here are of the less regulation mindset. They’ve been tricked. Like I was for many years. It sounds great on the surface. Government stays out of your business. But when regulations are removed, businesses will exploit said regulations to increase profits. Those profits don’t trickle down. That’s a myth. They go straight to the CEOs. As an example, if regulations regarding waste are removed, they won’t treat it properly before disposing of it, and it ends up in our water supply. We all pay for it in the form of earlier cancer diagnoses. So the CEO can make a few more million per year. The government we can at least vote on every 2/4/6 years to represent US. Regulations removed, we essentially let the billionaires do whatever they want. Which is exploit the working class men and women to increase their wealth.
Excessive regulations benefit large corporations and companies and harm lesser ones, due to excessive cost.
Excessive regulation is government interference that creates more monopolistic tendencies in the market.
Except those big bad billionaires control the politicians…or at least that’s what the left (AOC, Sanders, etc.) preaches at the top of their lungs…so what’s the point? Or do you only believe billionaires control the politicians when it’s convenient and aligned with your personal biases?
But I digress, In this day and age, no business could get away with dumping waste into the water (or otherwise blatantly polluting the environment)…they’d be publicly shamed, and cancel culture would hurt them. I’d much rather be able to choose to not do business with an environmentally irresponsible company, and let capitalism work, than rely on Uncle Sam to do it for me (I don’t want the government to have that much power. Further, nobody in America is going to be a slave to any employer (the working class won’t get exploited)…we are to transient these days….100 years ago, the big bad boss at the factory or mine in town (who employed 95% of the population) they could work people into the ground and treat them like crap and the people had no choice but to work there and suffer. Not any more. We change jobs to often and are much more willing (because it’s so much easier) to relocate out of town/state for work. Companies have to treat their employees better today, because they will leave if they don’t (the government doesn’t need to regulate that).
Your perspective and examples are based way to far in the past…they aren’t as relevant in todays world.
Every CEO I know has the goal of growing their business…that means as the company profits increase they want to expand their business..,this means hiring more people…so hypothetically, if you take away all regulations, and it increases their profitability not only would it increase their tax burden-more profit more taxes (to the benefit of the country) but that ceo would also look to expand and grow the business by hiring more people. So it DOES trickle down.
With all of that said, I’m not opposed to SOME regulation…but the government has gotten way out of hand, and the red tape and feeling the need to regulate common sense, has run amuck…and it’s hurting our economy and our ability to compete on the world stage….its time to roll some of those regulations back….
They do! Most of them. Left or right, D or R. That’s why I’ve said forever that Citizens United was an absolutely terrible SCOTUS decision.
The examples I could give are as relevant now as they were then. Because we are entering or are already in the Second Gilded Age. Wealth inequality is getting insane and was only exasperated by a once in a lifetime pandemic.
Companies will do all they can to increase their top line at the expense of middle class workers and the local citizens.
Who’s talking about “complete deregulation”…?
“Eliminating”.
e·lim·i·nate
From the document…
“This order directs certain agencies to incorporate a sunset provision into their regulations governing energy production to the extent permitted by law, thus compelling those agencies to reexamine their regulations periodically to ensure that those rules serve the public good.”
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