'Liberation Day' tariff announcements

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4/6/2025 6:05am Edited Date/Time 4/6/2025 6:09am
“Reciprocal Tariffs”^^^ this is a lie.The US has free trade agreements with Jordan, Singapore, Chile, Morocco, Australia, Dominican Republic, Bahrain, Oman, Peru, Korea, so there...

“Reciprocal Tariffs”

^^^ this is a lie.

The US has free trade agreements with Jordan, Singapore, Chile, Morocco, Australia, Dominican Republic, Bahrain, Oman, Peru, Korea, so there are no tariffs for US goods exported to those countries, zero, zilch, nothing.

All the numbers for other countries have no relationship with tariffs for US goods exported to those countries.

So everything that is posted or said by the Trump admin is a complete lie?

Out of these countries you listed, what irreparable impact do they have on the US economy. Also, what products do they provide that the US will never be able to manufacture?

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“Reciprocal Tariffs”^^^ this is a lie.The US has free trade agreements with Jordan, Singapore, Chile, Morocco, Australia, Dominican Republic, Bahrain, Oman, Peru, Korea, so there...

“Reciprocal Tariffs”

^^^ this is a lie.

The US has free trade agreements with Jordan, Singapore, Chile, Morocco, Australia, Dominican Republic, Bahrain, Oman, Peru, Korea, so there are no tariffs for US goods exported to those countries, zero, zilch, nothing.

All the numbers for other countries have no relationship with tariffs for US goods exported to those countries.

burn1986 wrote:
So everything that is posted or said by the Trump admin is a complete lie?Out of these countries you listed, what irreparable impact do they have...

So everything that is posted or said by the Trump admin is a complete lie?

Out of these countries you listed, what irreparable impact do they have on the US economy. Also, what products do they provide that the US will never be able to manufacture?

I don’t think he lied on anything other than mislabeling them as reciprocal tariffs. He was straight forward when saying this will provide income to the federal government in lieu of raising income taxes. 

The deficit and debt is so out of control, there is going to be real tough decisions that need to be made. So far the cuts made by doge probably only buy us hours on the interest payments alone. The 800 lb gorilla is social security, Medicare, and Medicaid which no one has a plan for.

I personally am not a fan of tarrifs but other options to raise income are not desirable either. We just keep screwing our kids over at every step so something has to be done . 

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4/6/2025 8:47am Edited Date/Time 4/6/2025 8:51am
Dudley wrote:
I don’t think he lied on anything other than mislabeling them as reciprocal tariffs. He was straight forward when saying this will provide income to the...

I don’t think he lied on anything other than mislabeling them as reciprocal tariffs. He was straight forward when saying this will provide income to the federal government in lieu of raising income taxes. 

The deficit and debt is so out of control, there is going to be real tough decisions that need to be made. So far the cuts made by doge probably only buy us hours on the interest payments alone. The 800 lb gorilla is social security, Medicare, and Medicaid which no one has a plan for.

I personally am not a fan of tarrifs but other options to raise income are not desirable either. We just keep screwing our kids over at every step so something has to be done . 

Yep. They’ve said time and time again that Medicaid wouldn’t be affected.

No one previously made an effort to do anything. 

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4/6/2025 9:23am Edited Date/Time 4/6/2025 9:24am
JerryVan wrote:
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but how hilariously pathetic is the tariff fomula is? Tariff = (Export-Import)/ImportYou gennuinely cannot make up this level of...

I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but how hilariously pathetic is the tariff fomula is? 

Tariff = (Export-Import)/Import

You gennuinely cannot make up this level of stupidity 🤣

So now you are the smartest guy in here.......all the way from kangaroo country?

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I see the Aussie is still losing his shit and has decided that he’s the ultimate source of truth.

Talk about “cultist behaviors”! 🤣

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TeamGreen wrote:

I see the Aussie is still losing his shit and has decided that he’s the ultimate source of truth.

Talk about “cultist behaviors”! 🤣

Don’t you love it when foreigners advise us on how to run our country?😂

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I think there are a few misunderstandings here.Trump faithful/loyalists/diehards here see posts against him and this tariff situation and think oh you're just mad about the...

I think there are a few misunderstandings here.

Trump faithful/loyalists/diehards here see posts against him and this tariff situation and think oh you're just mad about the pain you're going to feel. 

Can't speak for everybody but no, it's more like concern and disbelief that you really can't see the damage this is causing and will cause to the USA more than anyone else. Everyone else will weather this - there is now a common foe pushing us to get together and work together more favorably in the future. The huge degree of USA isolationism that has been created in a few short weeks will hurt the USA for years to come, more than anyone else. All due to the irrational words and actions of one person. And his yes men.

I think Trump is highly motivated ,maybe too highly motivated in regards to all this Tariff stuff.  People on all sides of the isle are worried. 

I think it's great we need to make sure we get acceptable  decent deals and not get ripped off.   However,doing something like he's done so fast it's going to cause problems. Had we done something like this slowly over time (20/30 years) in regards to making deals and setting tarriffs ect ... I think it would've went much smoother.

But trowing it up in the air all at once - we dont know what we will get once it all comes down.   While it's an interesting tactic he is using- it's also unknown of where we will be in 2 years in an economic sense.   Now I hope it all works out for us - but who knows.

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4/6/2025 11:00am
TeamGreen wrote:

I see the Aussie is still losing his shit and has decided that he’s the ultimate source of truth.

Talk about “cultist behaviors”! 🤣

EVH4Ever wrote:

Don’t you love it when foreigners advise us on how to run our country?😂

I don't think he is a kangaroo country guy. Way too emotionally involved for that.

But we have a few, canuks, Euros, NZ, and Kangaroos chipping in like they know anything about what we are discussing.

I will admit they are entertaining....in a funny way.

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TeamGreen wrote:

I see the Aussie is still losing his shit and has decided that he’s the ultimate source of truth.

Talk about “cultist behaviors”! 🤣

EVH4Ever wrote:

Don’t you love it when foreigners advise us on how to run our country?😂

Sort of like that foreigner Musk, right? 

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I don’t know. So it’s ALL wrong? What are the other misalignments? Why is there a tariff on Australia? Maybe provide a list of all the...

I don’t know. So it’s ALL wrong? What are the other misalignments? Why is there a tariff on Australia? Maybe provide a list of all the misalignments, and then give your solution to fixing the $36T debt. Also give a better solution to charging a tariff. If it will bring revenue back to the US and knock down the debt, then why are you so mad about it?

I'm just pointing out they are not “reciprocal tariffs”, so your statement..."I think it’s important to remember these are “reciprocal tariffs”, meaning these other countries...

I'm just pointing out they are not “reciprocal tariffs”, so your statement...

"I think it’s important to remember these are “reciprocal tariffs”, meaning these other countries are raping us."

is bullshit.

Maybe you should start questioning what else is bullshit!

burn1986 wrote:
First off, the White House termed these “Reciprocal Tariffs”.Second, there’s about 57ish countries on the reciprocal tariff list.Out of that information, which parts are an outright...

First off, the White House termed these “Reciprocal Tariffs”.

Second, there’s about 57ish countries on the reciprocal tariff list.

Out of that information, which parts are an outright lie?

I knew you were from the south before I even clicked with all that kool aid spilling you do. Louisiana ranked 47th in education did you well 😂.

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TeamGreen wrote:

I see the Aussie is still losing his shit and has decided that he’s the ultimate source of truth.

Talk about “cultist behaviors”! 🤣

EVH4Ever wrote:

Don’t you love it when foreigners advise us on how to run our country?😂

Sort of like that foreigner Musk, right? 

They will just down vote you but it’s always funny to see their hypocrisy.

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4/6/2025 12:18pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2025 12:20pm
EVH4Ever wrote:

Don’t you love it when foreigners advise us on how to run our country?😂

Sort of like that foreigner Musk, right? 

They will just down vote you but it’s always funny to see their hypocrisy.

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Musk has been a US citizen for close to 23 years...

Not sure if he lives in Austin, or Mesa, or elsewhere in the US though. 

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4/6/2025 12:43pm
“Reciprocal Tariffs”^^^ this is a lie.The US has free trade agreements with Jordan, Singapore, Chile, Morocco, Australia, Dominican Republic, Bahrain, Oman, Peru, Korea, so there...

“Reciprocal Tariffs”

^^^ this is a lie.

The US has free trade agreements with Jordan, Singapore, Chile, Morocco, Australia, Dominican Republic, Bahrain, Oman, Peru, Korea, so there are no tariffs for US goods exported to those countries, zero, zilch, nothing.

All the numbers for other countries have no relationship with tariffs for US goods exported to those countries.

burn1986 wrote:
So everything that is posted or said by the Trump admin is a complete lie?Out of these countries you listed, what irreparable impact do they have...

So everything that is posted or said by the Trump admin is a complete lie?

Out of these countries you listed, what irreparable impact do they have on the US economy. Also, what products do they provide that the US will never be able to manufacture?

Dudley wrote:
I don’t think he lied on anything other than mislabeling them as reciprocal tariffs. He was straight forward when saying this will provide income to the...

I don’t think he lied on anything other than mislabeling them as reciprocal tariffs. He was straight forward when saying this will provide income to the federal government in lieu of raising income taxes. 

The deficit and debt is so out of control, there is going to be real tough decisions that need to be made. So far the cuts made by doge probably only buy us hours on the interest payments alone. The 800 lb gorilla is social security, Medicare, and Medicaid which no one has a plan for.

I personally am not a fan of tarrifs but other options to raise income are not desirable either. We just keep screwing our kids over at every step so something has to be done . 

There’s one pretty solid plan. Tax the .1%. If you have tens of billions of dollars you can afford to pay more taxes. It’s crazy people will on here and defend them like a good little lap dog. No one would know what to do with a billion dollars in their lifetime and some people are worth tens to hundreds of times that amount. 

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4/6/2025 12:44pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2025 12:45pm

This discussion has more than ran its course on the MULTIPLE threads about it. Shower me in down votes here, but the consumer holds all the power here - of you dont like what a pair of Air Jordans, or that new Apple phone, or all that disposible Chinese crap Amazon sells costs, SIMPLY DONT BUY THEM!! If the cost of that new Xbox is keeping you up at night, your not emotionally mature enough to even be a part of the conversation here. How have you not noticed the costs of real estate, insurance, fast food, goods and services, and automobiles has grown exponentially over the last 20 years? And Trump didnt cause any of it. (Edited for clarity)

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Sounds like China is turning off the taps for critical minerals. they supply almost all of the US needs. Going to make it hard to build - well pretty much anything with electronics nowadays.  

"China placed export restrictions on rare earth elements on Friday as part of its sweeping response to U.S. President Donald Trump's tariffs, squeezing supply to the West of minerals used to make weapons, electronics and a range of consumer goods."

https://www.reuters.com/world/china-hits-back-us-tariffs-with-rare-earth-export-controls-2025-04-04/

https://cleantechnica.com/2025/04/05/china-just-turned-off-u-s-supplies-of-minerals-critical-for-defense-cleantech/amp 

4/6/2025 1:43pm
TeamGreen wrote:

I see the Aussie is still losing his shit and has decided that he’s the ultimate source of truth.

Talk about “cultist behaviors”! 🤣

EVH4Ever wrote:

Don’t you love it when foreigners advise us on how to run our country?😂

Sort of like that foreigner Musk, right? 

The one that became a US citizen in 2002.....that one?

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EVH4Ever wrote:

Don’t you love it when foreigners advise us on how to run our country?😂

Sort of like that foreigner Musk, right? 

The one that became a US citizen in 2002.....that one?

That's the one. The one who's probably paid more taxes than all of us on here put together.  I'd assume( At least I'd hope so). 

 

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Spurdo wrote:
This discussion has more than ran its course on the MULTIPLE threads about it. Shower me in down votes here, but the consumer holds all the...

This discussion has more than ran its course on the MULTIPLE threads about it. Shower me in down votes here, but the consumer holds all the power here - of you dont like what a pair of Air Jordans, or that new Apple phone, or all that disposible Chinese crap Amazon sells costs, SIMPLY DONT BUY THEM!! If the cost of that new Xbox is keeping you up at night, your not emotionally mature enough to even be a part of the conversation here. How have you not noticed the costs of real estate, insurance, fast food, goods and services, and automobiles has grown exponentially over the last 20 years? And Trump didnt cause any of it. (Edited for clarity)

The neighborhood just around the corner from me went up from 500K to, 625K on average within 18 months. 
My health insurance is an extra $120 a month. 
$300 a week to fill a fridge. No, I’m not eating Wagyu. 
I wish though. 

While I did in fact vote for Trump and, consider myself a cautious optimist, it’s concerning when my dollar doesn’t quite stretch as far as it did the previous month. More so, knowing this trend will continue. 

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4/6/2025 3:05pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2025 3:22pm
Spurdo wrote:
This discussion has more than ran its course on the MULTIPLE threads about it. Shower me in down votes here, but the consumer holds all the...

This discussion has more than ran its course on the MULTIPLE threads about it. Shower me in down votes here, but the consumer holds all the power here - of you dont like what a pair of Air Jordans, or that new Apple phone, or all that disposible Chinese crap Amazon sells costs, SIMPLY DONT BUY THEM!! If the cost of that new Xbox is keeping you up at night, your not emotionally mature enough to even be a part of the conversation here. How have you not noticed the costs of real estate, insurance, fast food, goods and services, and automobiles has grown exponentially over the last 20 years? And Trump didnt cause any of it. (Edited for clarity)

Chance1216 wrote:
The neighborhood just around the corner from me went up from 500K to, 625K on average within 18 months. My health insurance is an extra $120 a...

The neighborhood just around the corner from me went up from 500K to, 625K on average within 18 months. 
My health insurance is an extra $120 a month. 
$300 a week to fill a fridge. No, I’m not eating Wagyu. 
I wish though. 

While I did in fact vote for Trump and, consider myself a cautious optimist, it’s concerning when my dollar doesn’t quite stretch as far as it did the previous month. More so, knowing this trend will continue. 

I don't think the housing market will ever again be in line with main street's economic reality as long as institutions are buying single family homes. There is hardly ever a surplus to drive prices down anymore. Apartment prices are what a mortgage cost for a small home just 10 years ago. 

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Chance1216 wrote:
The neighborhood just around the corner from me went up from 500K to, 625K on average within 18 months. My health insurance is an extra $120 a...

The neighborhood just around the corner from me went up from 500K to, 625K on average within 18 months. 
My health insurance is an extra $120 a month. 
$300 a week to fill a fridge. No, I’m not eating Wagyu. 
I wish though. 

While I did in fact vote for Trump and, consider myself a cautious optimist, it’s concerning when my dollar doesn’t quite stretch as far as it did the previous month. More so, knowing this trend will continue. 

Me and you are more alike than you'll ever know. The real estate market is riding a bubble that HAS to pop at some point, this upward trend cant keep up forever. I dont like that a new Toyota Tacoma stickers for $50k, or that a combo meal at Taco Bell is now over $12 - I combat this the only way I can, and thats to choose to NOT spend my money where I dont think its wise to. Mega corporations that think they'll simply "pass the buck" of added expenses on to ME, are simply mistaken. 

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Spurdo wrote:
Me and you are more alike than you'll ever know. The real estate market is riding a bubble that HAS to pop at some point, this...

Me and you are more alike than you'll ever know. The real estate market is riding a bubble that HAS to pop at some point, this upward trend cant keep up forever. I dont like that a new Toyota Tacoma stickers for $50k, or that a combo meal at Taco Bell is now over $12 - I combat this the only way I can, and thats to choose to NOT spend my money where I dont think its wise to. Mega corporations that think they'll simply "pass the buck" of added expenses on to ME, are simply mistaken. 

I’m just glad my kids are grown and, out of the house. 
Those little fast food joints while doing things with kids on the weekends add up. Simple cheeseburger meals are $10 each. 

I remember telling myself, if I can pay the bills, throw a little in savings each week, take the wife out to dinner once in awhile, I’m doing OK. 

These days, I’m telling myself be thankful I’m driving a company vehicle to work and, have a gas card. 


 

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Spurdo wrote:
This discussion has more than ran its course on the MULTIPLE threads about it. Shower me in down votes here, but the consumer holds all the...

This discussion has more than ran its course on the MULTIPLE threads about it. Shower me in down votes here, but the consumer holds all the power here - of you dont like what a pair of Air Jordans, or that new Apple phone, or all that disposible Chinese crap Amazon sells costs, SIMPLY DONT BUY THEM!! If the cost of that new Xbox is keeping you up at night, your not emotionally mature enough to even be a part of the conversation here. How have you not noticed the costs of real estate, insurance, fast food, goods and services, and automobiles has grown exponentially over the last 20 years? And Trump didnt cause any of it. (Edited for clarity)

Chance1216 wrote:
The neighborhood just around the corner from me went up from 500K to, 625K on average within 18 months. My health insurance is an extra $120 a...

The neighborhood just around the corner from me went up from 500K to, 625K on average within 18 months. 
My health insurance is an extra $120 a month. 
$300 a week to fill a fridge. No, I’m not eating Wagyu. 
I wish though. 

While I did in fact vote for Trump and, consider myself a cautious optimist, it’s concerning when my dollar doesn’t quite stretch as far as it did the previous month. More so, knowing this trend will continue. 

bonseff wrote:
I don't think the housing market will ever again be in line with main street's economic reality as long as institutions are buying single family homes...

I don't think the housing market will ever again be in line with main street's economic reality as long as institutions are buying single family homes. There is hardly ever a surplus to drive prices down anymore. Apartment prices are what a mortgage cost for a small home just 10 years ago. 

My son just got his first apartment last month with his GF. $1900 for a two bedroom
 

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Chance1216 wrote:
The neighborhood just around the corner from me went up from 500K to, 625K on average within 18 months. My health insurance is an extra $120 a...

The neighborhood just around the corner from me went up from 500K to, 625K on average within 18 months. 
My health insurance is an extra $120 a month. 
$300 a week to fill a fridge. No, I’m not eating Wagyu. 
I wish though. 

While I did in fact vote for Trump and, consider myself a cautious optimist, it’s concerning when my dollar doesn’t quite stretch as far as it did the previous month. More so, knowing this trend will continue. 

Spurdo wrote:
Me and you are more alike than you'll ever know. The real estate market is riding a bubble that HAS to pop at some point, this...

Me and you are more alike than you'll ever know. The real estate market is riding a bubble that HAS to pop at some point, this upward trend cant keep up forever. I dont like that a new Toyota Tacoma stickers for $50k, or that a combo meal at Taco Bell is now over $12 - I combat this the only way I can, and thats to choose to NOT spend my money where I dont think its wise to. Mega corporations that think they'll simply "pass the buck" of added expenses on to ME, are simply mistaken. 

Around where I live blackrock isn't buying houses and there aren't a bunch of illegal immigrants occupying them either and prices are 2x-3x in the last 5 years. There's a lot more houses on the market now than there were a year or 2 ago and they aren't moving nearly as fast. 

House replacement cost is way higher now so house insurance is much higher, and the county just reassessed so property taxes are based on a much higher value than before. 

The housing bubble is definitely ready for a correction, but if you pop a bunch lof bubbles at the same time your chances of sinking the country go way up. 

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4/6/2025 5:09pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2025 5:10pm

So now you are the smartest guy in here.......all the way from kangaroo country?

Nice deflection. I wouldn't say I'm the smartest. But you don't to be smart in the slightest to know it's a terrible approach to working out what to impose on another country. But go ahead, educate me on why it's the correct way and why what I said is wrong. 

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burn1986 wrote:
I think it’s important to remember these are “reciprocal tariffs”, meaning these other countries are raping us. I’m amazed at the outright morans who keep saying...

I think it’s important to remember these are “reciprocal tariffs”, meaning these other countries are raping us. I’m amazed at the outright morans who keep saying, “No it’s only right that they rape America (us). Trump is wrong and will only make them mad. We can’t survive if we don’t pay them and let them kept raping us.” 

Dudley wrote:
Don’t think they are true reciprocal tariffs. I Could be wrong but I think they are a calculation based on  trade deficits with each country and...

Don’t think they are true reciprocal tariffs. I Could be wrong but I think they are a calculation based on  trade deficits with each country and not a retaliation for tariffs imposed on us. Again, I could be wrong as new sources are not very reliable these days. 
 

olds cool wrote:

Currency manipulation is also part of the equation.

Please explain what part of the equation?

https://ustr.gov/issue-areas/reciprocal-tariff-calculations

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4/6/2025 5:43pm Edited Date/Time 4/6/2025 5:44pm

So now you are the smartest guy in here.......all the way from kangaroo country?

JerryVan wrote:
Nice deflection. I wouldn't say I'm the smartest. But you don't to be smart in the slightest to know it's a terrible approach to working out...

Nice deflection. I wouldn't say I'm the smartest. But you don't to be smart in the slightest to know it's a terrible approach to working out what to impose on another country. But go ahead, educate me on why it's the correct way and why what I said is wrong. 

It's been discussed in this thread "ad nauseum" for 10 pages! The tariffs were just enacted, anyone that says for certain of all the outcomes of them must be a smart MotherF*cker!

I don't think that is you...sorry. 

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It's been discussed in this thread "ad nauseum" for 10 pages! The tariffs were just enacted, anyone that says for certain of all the outcomes of...

It's been discussed in this thread "ad nauseum" for 10 pages! The tariffs were just enacted, anyone that says for certain of all the outcomes of them must be a smart MotherF*cker!

I don't think that is you...sorry. 

No, there's been very little explanation or discourse around why the formula is correct. Please enlighten us on why the following is adequate to use:
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