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I am. When you came up on the kid like you told motodad. You could have scanned and radioed back exactly who it was.
I don’t know motodad. Just using that post as a reference.
It doesn't really fit, you obviously knew about the fire. I was just spreading some kinda cool news in case you didn't know. We had a temporary unit and just got the permanent unit.
You're 100% correct but it may look like some Good ol Boy club stuff if we mandate buying those. I don't have one yet but I need to get one.
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My head exploded because you're making a 'safety' argument for something that clearly has nothing to do with safety. Convenience, yes. Operational efficiency, sure. But safety? Not at all. Colored number plates has nothing to do with rider safety - measures that actively protect individuals from injury or harm, like helmets, protective gear, proper training, or bike design features that reduce accidents. Notifying parents after an incident is a post-event action - it doesn't prevent the incident or mitigate risk during the race.
This type of reasoning undermines the credibility of the argument and distracts from genuine safety measures that could better protect riders.
Have you ever spent your own time and money to help put on a race or do you just like to sit on the sidelines and bitch and moan about how others do it?
The biggest fucking whiners are always the ones too fucking lazy and selfish to pitch in and help. If that offends you, good.
Your response seems to miss the point entirely. My critique was focused on the logic behind framing colored number plates as a ‘safety’ measure, not on the effort or dedication of race organizers. I respect the hard work that goes into putting on events, but that doesn’t mean every idea proposed is beyond scrutiny. Constructive discussion is how improvements are made, and dismissing valid points with personal attacks does nothing to advance the conversation.
So, no, you don't spend any of your own time or money to help.
Got it.
Also, your critique keeps changing as the thread goes on so that you can keep bitching about FTR, remember originally you were bitching about spark arrestors and pit riding.
It's hard as fuck to put on events these days for a myriad of reasons, it doesn't make it easier when people want to just bitch and moan about everything and they are too fucking selfish to step up to help.
My critique hasn’t changed; it’s been consistent in questioning the logic of labeling something as ‘safety’ when it more accurately falls under convenience or operational efficiency.
As for your assumptions about my contributions, they’re irrelevant to this discussion. Whether I volunteer or not doesn’t invalidate my ability to question or critique ideas. Constructive feedback is an important part of improving any system, and dismissing it as ‘bitching and moaning’ doesn’t make the concerns disappear.
If you’d like to discuss the merits of colored number plates as a safety measure, I’m happy to continue that conversation. Otherwise, I’ll leave it at that.
You are correct, it does not invalidate it.
It does however validate my observation over the last 30 years that the folks who like to bitch and moan about how things are run are typically also the folks too lazy and selfish to help out themselves.
Your critique hasn't changed, yet you are talking about colored backgrounds in a thread about banning tear offs. And you originally started with voicing an opinion about something different from all of those topics.
Im glad you found your hill to die on finally! That was a wild ride, but thanks for the entertainment 🤣
Yup. This is what has happened to society. People go so far in one direction they get completely lost and lose any critical thinking ability.
Tearoffs are a fucking pest to any track owner. They are all over the pits, in the starting area, etc not to mention when they are tilling the track they are digging them up and pushing them deeper into the ground.
I am surprised its taken this long. I remember when I really became aware of this problem. I was at a practice track (at a guys house on his property) that is pretty popular. Probably 50 ish people there. This dumbass kid starts his bike and before hes even moved hes just ripping tearoffs right onto the ground in this guys yard basically. Like have some common sense and respect you fucking moron.
As someone who’s personally been racing with the series in question since I was on a PW, I can without a doubt tell you the majority of tear off litter on the properties is dudes ripping off their whole stack on the way back to the pits after the race. I’m not even sure if they actually pull them during the 2 hours they’re out there on the fucking track.
Real off-road racers know that the respectful way to do it is to shove the discarded tear off in your boot and throw it away at camp later 😎
I tried roll-offs for the first time last weekend at a 2 hour hare scramble and I don't understand why everyone hates on them. They're way better than trying to pull a tear off, maybe Scott's system is better than most? I can't believe I've never tried them before, was pretty awesome. I also had a spare pair in my hydro pack just in case.
I think banning tear-offs vs making an helmet id tag rule would put more towards the good ol boy system. If the Ama puts a ban on it then ok. I don’t think it’s FTRs duty though. Has the club your with had an issue with tear offs? Or any club for that matter? I’m not aware of it. I know I’ll wipe dirt off for a while before I pull one. Sometimes I’ll never even pull one. I’ve gone lots of races using the same tear off pack on goggles at ftr races. At enduros I try my best to only pull one in between test. Put it in my pants or fanny pack.
Most people in ftr don’t follow the number rules we have, even more now with no tech. If it really is a safety issue then do the id tag of some sorts so you can be identified immediately if you crash. Then riders could potentially be able to tell a course work who said person is as well. To be checked when entering then starting line when they check your band.
Make you eat one and see if you make it to the next race lol
Four strokes don't throw out sparks. The heat of the pipes when a bike falls over is way more dangerous. Yet you never hear of that starting fires....
A 4 stroke will absolutely shoot flame out of the exhaust although that is pretty rare with fuel injection.
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Yes Scott has the best roll off system. They are popular with the XC quad guys because you can't carry enough tear offs for a 90+ minute quad race.
Certain properties we race at require four stroke headers to be wrapped to prevent this.
It actually happened at the alligator enduro several years ago, guy crashed and his head pipe started a fire. For years they required the head pipes to be wrapped, IDK if they still do or not.
From 2017: https://www.cyclenews.com/2017/02/article/alligator-enduro-update
That club makes us do it rain or shine. I could be wrong. But I don’t ever recall a fire happening at the Strickland ranch bc of a header. This is the only club in FTR that makes us do this. It is their club rule.
Problem I have with the wrap is only bikes in FTR have to do it. Yz models don’t have to either. A quad could still start a fire just like a bike if tips on its side.
I could have sworn it was the alligator, I do remember one of the tests being thrown out because of the smoke and seems like some racers couldn't start the test. If not the alligator post up which enduro it was because I do remember it happening.
I can’t post up any enduro that I personally recall that happening at. I can assure you if it did happen at an FTR property, FTR would for sure have a header wrap rule in place. I’ve been in FTR since 93, only fires I can recall from bikes I stated earlier in here. I could be wrong though, I’ve only raced the alligator twice, 2014 and 2020. I feel if that did happen there, that land owner wouldn’t have let us back.
Here out west, I'd rather see solar farms banned than tear offs. Much more damaging to the environment and off-road racing/riding than tear offs.
Yeah.... that seems like a reasonable comparison.... 🤦♂️
I wasn't aware they used them in road racing. Anyone ever wash the front end on one laying on the track?
In what way are the solar farms damaging to the environment? Not a smart-ass question.
They plow up a bunch of ground that was previously left natural to put in the infrastructure, they are basically shrinking the natural ecosystem every time they install them in the desert.
Makes zero sense to me why we plow up natural ground for the damn things, they should be on the roofs of buildings in the cities they supply power to
If you took every tear off ever dropped in the California desert, and laid them side by side, it wouldn't come close to the amount of acreage bulldozed for solar farms. It's a pet peeve of mine. Been fighting land access out here for decades. Saving the environment and the turtles always being the given reason for our continually reducing access. But when is comes time to make some money- bring in the dulldozers. Not advocating for tear offs, more of a comment on the hypocrisy of "environmentalists" and the government.
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