Ferrandis’ bike handling

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Wondered whether it’s just me, but from my armchair it looks like Dylan’s bike is softer & busier than the bikes around him? 

If true, is this something “par the course” for privateer efforts, or could it be solved with settings adjustment.

I only mention it as the dude can ride a bike, and I believe he has the ability to win races on a 450 indoors.

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3/10/2025 3:29am

I'm just mystified to what happened to this guy in general, eye test wise he looked amongst the elite on the 250 in SX to use AP as an example he looked better than he ever looked on a 250, you would think he would be thereabouts with AP on the 450 results wise.

The real mystery is what happened to his outdoor speed, he was unbelievable on the 450 outdoors.

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I'm just mystified to what happened to this guy in general, eye test wise he looked amongst the elite on the 250 in SX to use...

I'm just mystified to what happened to this guy in general, eye test wise he looked amongst the elite on the 250 in SX to use AP as an example he looked better than he ever looked on a 250, you would think he would be thereabouts with AP on the 450 results wise.

The real mystery is what happened to his outdoor speed, he was unbelievable on the 450 outdoors.

I remember him getting 2nd in a great ride in his 1st or 2nd 450 supercross ever and I said it was just a matter of time before he started winning. Weird how he never quite found it again. Whe he got along with the bike, he was unbelievable on the 21-22 Yamaha.

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3/10/2025 5:26am

Maybe compensating to make it easier on his shoulder? Not sure

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3/10/2025 2:57pm

Confidence can be a fragile asset to an athlete. A few injuries and maybe a bike that doesn't feel like you want it to and the next thing you know, you're racing for 8th. He's had a great career, these are bonus laps! 

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3/10/2025 3:30pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2025 3:40pm

I think he looks decent. His pace is consistently edging top 5 on that privateer platform. But he has the same issue as he has had through his entire career: shit starts.

He could overcome that with raw speed in 250SX/MX, slicing through the entire inexperienced field. In 450MX, he could outlast most. But it won't work in 450SX, and never has during his career.

And now, we're watching him kind of struggle to pick his spots, which has never been his game. He has always just been go, bounce around, and be on top near the end. And he is so amazing from both a skill and fitness standpoint, that it is viable. But that doesn't work in 450SX.

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3/10/2025 3:57pm
I'm just mystified to what happened to this guy in general, eye test wise he looked amongst the elite on the 250 in SX to use...

I'm just mystified to what happened to this guy in general, eye test wise he looked amongst the elite on the 250 in SX to use AP as an example he looked better than he ever looked on a 250, you would think he would be thereabouts with AP on the 450 results wise.

The real mystery is what happened to his outdoor speed, he was unbelievable on the 450 outdoors.

I had this same exact thought over the weekend watching Dylan ride a little better. Dylan was a force on a 250 indoors. He was one of those 250 guys posting times better than the premier class. Crazy how it hasn't translated. Especially considering how good he was on the 450 in mx in '21. Dude gave everyone the business. 

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3/10/2025 3:58pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2025 3:58pm

I think Factory Connection is very involved with his program, the suspension should be the least of his worries. It just seems like he has yet to recover from the bell ringer he had a few years ago.

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7eleven wrote:
Confidence can be a fragile asset to an athlete. A few injuries and maybe a bike that doesn't feel like you want it to and the...

Confidence can be a fragile asset to an athlete. A few injuries and maybe a bike that doesn't feel like you want it to and the next thing you know, you're racing for 8th. He's had a great career, these are bonus laps! 

SML talked to him on their latest How Was Your Weekend, and he said it's not the bike, it's all him. I guess his shoulder is keeping him from training as hard as he should, so he doesn't have the fitness to run the pace for a whole main/moto. 

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3/10/2025 4:34pm

Yeah at one point, the way Ferrandis was riding I thought he was going to possibly become one of the “greats.”

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3/10/2025 4:39pm Edited Date/Time 3/10/2025 4:40pm
shortty761 wrote:

Yeah at one point, the way Ferrandis was riding I thought he was going to possibly become one of the “greats.”

It wasn't really ever in the cards with him moving up to big bikes at nearly 28.

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3/10/2025 4:40pm
I'm just mystified to what happened to this guy in general, eye test wise he looked amongst the elite on the 250 in SX to use...

I'm just mystified to what happened to this guy in general, eye test wise he looked amongst the elite on the 250 in SX to use AP as an example he looked better than he ever looked on a 250, you would think he would be thereabouts with AP on the 450 results wise.

The real mystery is what happened to his outdoor speed, he was unbelievable on the 450 outdoors.

No mystery. Being a 250 SX champ is no guarantee you’ll be a winner in 450s. He was on Star Yamaha but when Jett showed up, he complained his bike wasn’t as good as theirs. He lost his Star ride or left and it seemed no one wanted to take a chance on him. 

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3/10/2025 4:45pm

He was injured most of the 2022 mx season but raced the MXdN. I remember him looking like the fastest rider in the world at times during that race

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3/10/2025 6:16pm
I think he looks decent. His pace is consistently edging top 5 on that privateer platform. But he has the same issue as he has had...

I think he looks decent. His pace is consistently edging top 5 on that privateer platform. But he has the same issue as he has had through his entire career: shit starts.

He could overcome that with raw speed in 250SX/MX, slicing through the entire inexperienced field. In 450MX, he could outlast most. But it won't work in 450SX, and never has during his career.

And now, we're watching him kind of struggle to pick his spots, which has never been his game. He has always just been go, bounce around, and be on top near the end. And he is so amazing from both a skill and fitness standpoint, that it is viable. But that doesn't work in 450SX.

He won the 450 outdoor championship in 2021

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3/10/2025 6:22pm
I think he looks decent. His pace is consistently edging top 5 on that privateer platform. But he has the same issue as he has had...

I think he looks decent. His pace is consistently edging top 5 on that privateer platform. But he has the same issue as he has had through his entire career: shit starts.

He could overcome that with raw speed in 250SX/MX, slicing through the entire inexperienced field. In 450MX, he could outlast most. But it won't work in 450SX, and never has during his career.

And now, we're watching him kind of struggle to pick his spots, which has never been his game. He has always just been go, bounce around, and be on top near the end. And he is so amazing from both a skill and fitness standpoint, that it is viable. But that doesn't work in 450SX.

kevinsmith wrote:

He won the 450 outdoor championship in 2021

YEP ...and he did it EASY....not many great starts but he just ran through the field (eli included at times).

I know he's injured this year but its hard to believe his decline (outdoors anyways).

disappointed he isn't on Jett or Hunta's bike for SX.

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3/10/2025 6:57pm

I hear the Yamaha was holding him back and he’s really happy to ride a Honda finally.

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3/10/2025 7:17pm

Would be cool if Honda let him test the factory bike so he could get an idea of direction they could go with his. To see how much HRC struggled beginning of the season, they must be a few steps behind, Quad Lock too. 

What I’d really love to see is them help Dylan get his bike ready for outdoors. He was incredible his winning season, would be awesome to see Eli, Chase, Lawrence’s and that version of Dylan go at it. The Honda looked pretty damn good outdoors too. 

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3/10/2025 7:18pm
I think he looks decent. His pace is consistently edging top 5 on that privateer platform. But he has the same issue as he has had...

I think he looks decent. His pace is consistently edging top 5 on that privateer platform. But he has the same issue as he has had through his entire career: shit starts.

He could overcome that with raw speed in 250SX/MX, slicing through the entire inexperienced field. In 450MX, he could outlast most. But it won't work in 450SX, and never has during his career.

And now, we're watching him kind of struggle to pick his spots, which has never been his game. He has always just been go, bounce around, and be on top near the end. And he is so amazing from both a skill and fitness standpoint, that it is viable. But that doesn't work in 450SX.

kevinsmith wrote:

He won the 450 outdoor championship in 2021

Correct. Dude is an animal. Started terribly and ran through the field. Can't do that in SX.

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3/10/2025 8:07pm
I'm just mystified to what happened to this guy in general, eye test wise he looked amongst the elite on the 250 in SX to use...

I'm just mystified to what happened to this guy in general, eye test wise he looked amongst the elite on the 250 in SX to use AP as an example he looked better than he ever looked on a 250, you would think he would be thereabouts with AP on the 450 results wise.

The real mystery is what happened to his outdoor speed, he was unbelievable on the 450 outdoors.

It’s the biggest mystery in Moto to me, I wonder about it every week. We all know how balls out  he was in 250 SX and MX and when he moved up, he was lightning fast indoors. Never really put the results together, but even Steve Would talk about just how fast he was those first couple years on star indoors and we all know how he was in the outdoors. I swear if he just put the chest pro over the jersey again, and got rid of the gay yellow rims he’d do better LOL 

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3/10/2025 11:35pm

That mxdn ride was something else after that changed team and never quite clicked again. What frustrates me is his main strength was his stamina he would blast through riders in the last 10 and that’s gone completely. Think that MX title might also have been a dream goal achieved and hard to get back to the meat grinder and make it happen again.

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It’s been going downhill since he stopped working with DV. He held him accountable and kinda had a dad figure role, Dylan was doing everything DV said.

It would be nice to see him get some momentum in SX and battle for podiums again outdoors.

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3/11/2025 3:01am Edited Date/Time 3/11/2025 3:02am

Yes it like his bike is weighing 200kg. Seems heavy sluggish and hit the bottom of every whoops. 

But what happened is injury, changing bike thinking he was moving to greener pastures, changing trainer, going vegan. 

Ferrand is seems like a tough guy but he has a really fragile mental, when Musquin came to train with DV his dedicated trainer a the time, he didn't accept it and started to act like a diva, when the bike was not to his taste he cried, when tomac won and not him that was the fault of the team. Etc etc etc. 

When everything clicked he was an unstoppable machine. But a fragile machine, a grain of sand could kill. 

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3/11/2025 4:05am
I think he looks decent. His pace is consistently edging top 5 on that privateer platform. But he has the same issue as he has had...

I think he looks decent. His pace is consistently edging top 5 on that privateer platform. But he has the same issue as he has had through his entire career: shit starts.

He could overcome that with raw speed in 250SX/MX, slicing through the entire inexperienced field. In 450MX, he could outlast most. But it won't work in 450SX, and never has during his career.

And now, we're watching him kind of struggle to pick his spots, which has never been his game. He has always just been go, bounce around, and be on top near the end. And he is so amazing from both a skill and fitness standpoint, that it is viable. But that doesn't work in 450SX.

kevinsmith wrote:

He won the 450 outdoor championship in 2021

Correct. Dude is an animal. Started terribly and ran through the field. Can't do that in SX.

Remember him sending a quad at Budds Creek in summer '21? It was huge 

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Goatie wrote:
Yes it like his bike is weighing 200kg. Seems heavy sluggish and hit the bottom of every whoops. But what happened is injury, changing bike thinking he...

Yes it like his bike is weighing 200kg. Seems heavy sluggish and hit the bottom of every whoops. 

But what happened is injury, changing bike thinking he was moving to greener pastures, changing trainer, going vegan. 

Ferrand is seems like a tough guy but he has a really fragile mental, when Musquin came to train with DV his dedicated trainer a the time, he didn't accept it and started to act like a diva, when the bike was not to his taste he cried, when tomac won and not him that was the fault of the team. Etc etc etc. 

When everything clicked he was an unstoppable machine. But a fragile machine, a grain of sand could kill. 

Pourcel. Why are some French like this

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3/11/2025 4:10am

Maybe his bike setup is trying to compensate for an injury...

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3/11/2025 5:01am Edited Date/Time 3/11/2025 8:32am

Maybe his bike setup is trying to compensate for an injury...

It's nothing new, his bike setup was always wrong and since the Honda he doesn't look dialed in. 

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I'm just mystified to what happened to this guy in general, eye test wise he looked amongst the elite on the 250 in SX to use...

I'm just mystified to what happened to this guy in general, eye test wise he looked amongst the elite on the 250 in SX to use AP as an example he looked better than he ever looked on a 250, you would think he would be thereabouts with AP on the 450 results wise.

The real mystery is what happened to his outdoor speed, he was unbelievable on the 450 outdoors.

He started eating a vegan diet.

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3/11/2025 5:04am
Goatie wrote:
Yes it like his bike is weighing 200kg. Seems heavy sluggish and hit the bottom of every whoops. But what happened is injury, changing bike thinking he...

Yes it like his bike is weighing 200kg. Seems heavy sluggish and hit the bottom of every whoops. 

But what happened is injury, changing bike thinking he was moving to greener pastures, changing trainer, going vegan. 

Ferrand is seems like a tough guy but he has a really fragile mental, when Musquin came to train with DV his dedicated trainer a the time, he didn't accept it and started to act like a diva, when the bike was not to his taste he cried, when tomac won and not him that was the fault of the team. Etc etc etc. 

When everything clicked he was an unstoppable machine. But a fragile machine, a grain of sand could kill. 

Tyler D wrote:

Pourcel. Why are some French like this

Pourcel had a really big crash, almost paraplegic, and he struggle his all life with side effect from this injury. 

I get how he didn't want to give it all on the track and keep in control all the time. 

Also Maybe the shit load of money they made when they came in the US affect their riding, they won nothing in Europe. When you take million in you first year in the US, maybe that make them soft. 

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3/11/2025 5:27am

Idk why but he kinda looks all over the place like he is fighting the bike in every turn. Not down siding landings and kinda lost that french finesse he had in 250 SX and his winning outdoor season. 

That being said, he looked more “spicy” in Indy, hope he can find that top end speed again. 

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3/11/2025 6:26am
Idk why but he kinda looks all over the place like he is fighting the bike in every turn. Not down siding landings and kinda lost...

Idk why but he kinda looks all over the place like he is fighting the bike in every turn. Not down siding landings and kinda lost that french finesse he had in 250 SX and his winning outdoor season. 

That being said, he looked more “spicy” in Indy, hope he can find that top end speed again. 

So accurate. He had so much flow and finesse on a 250. His style seemed taylor made for sx 

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3/11/2025 6:54am
I'm just mystified to what happened to this guy in general, eye test wise he looked amongst the elite on the 250 in SX to use...

I'm just mystified to what happened to this guy in general, eye test wise he looked amongst the elite on the 250 in SX to use AP as an example he looked better than he ever looked on a 250, you would think he would be thereabouts with AP on the 450 results wise.

The real mystery is what happened to his outdoor speed, he was unbelievable on the 450 outdoors.

3strokemx wrote:

He started eating a vegan diet.

Really? well I'll be damned.

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