2025 Hard Enduro World Championship Cancelled

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Such a bummer...the ripple effect of KTM's financial downfall....hope all of the current riders can still do the one-off races and make a splash...

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Billy's already said he'll do all the races if there's no championship. I assume most of the pros will but for guys like him and Mani they'll have a championship bonus forming a major part of their contracts so I don't know how that's going to work. 

Jonny is only going to ride the Valleys Extreme and Erzberg anyway - can't wait to see how he does on the new Triumph enduro.

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And we think motocross is niche......

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On a side note. Cody webb off to a poor start on the Yz in the US series. 

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And we think motocross is niche......

Compared to off road it is, way more participation in off road riding and racing across the board.

It's just not as "glamorous" or easy to film so more money gets pumped into moto.  If the industry wanted to put money back into the people that actually pay their bills they'd be spending it in off road.

I said what I said 😉

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And we think motocross is niche......

LungButter wrote:
Compared to off road it is, way more participation in off road riding and racing across the board.It's just not as "glamorous" or easy to film...

Compared to off road it is, way more participation in off road riding and racing across the board.

It's just not as "glamorous" or easy to film so more money gets pumped into moto.  If the industry wanted to put money back into the people that actually pay their bills they'd be spending it in off road.

I said what I said 😉

You're right. I tried to watch some off road and it was boring watching a 300 yard section of woods on a 20 mile loop. Just not camera friendly. Off road is huge here, way bigger than moto. I don't know anyone at all that does hard enduro. Or trials, or super moto, or drag bikes, or... pick a dying sport.

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And we think motocross is niche......

LungButter wrote:
Compared to off road it is, way more participation in off road riding and racing across the board.It's just not as "glamorous" or easy to film...

Compared to off road it is, way more participation in off road riding and racing across the board.

It's just not as "glamorous" or easy to film so more money gets pumped into moto.  If the industry wanted to put money back into the people that actually pay their bills they'd be spending it in off road.

I said what I said 😉

Yeah Loretta Lynns gets like 3500 people attending every year and GNCC averages 5000 every race with much more at Ironman. Loretta's is a hard example because amount of racers is capped but its still generally considered the biggest weekend in motocross. 

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You're right. I tried to watch some off road and it was boring watching a 300 yard section of woods on a 20 mile loop. Just...

You're right. I tried to watch some off road and it was boring watching a 300 yard section of woods on a 20 mile loop. Just not camera friendly. Off road is huge here, way bigger than moto. I don't know anyone at all that does hard enduro. Or trials, or super moto, or drag bikes, or... pick a dying sport.

You live in the PNW and don't know anyone that rides hard enduro? 

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You're right. I tried to watch some off road and it was boring watching a 300 yard section of woods on a 20 mile loop. Just...

You're right. I tried to watch some off road and it was boring watching a 300 yard section of woods on a 20 mile loop. Just not camera friendly. Off road is huge here, way bigger than moto. I don't know anyone at all that does hard enduro. Or trials, or super moto, or drag bikes, or... pick a dying sport.

You live in the PNW and don't know anyone that rides hard enduro? 

Yup, not one. All we ride is moto so that's our "community". I don't even know where you'd ride hard enduro here. I do know I'm too old to smash myself up on that stuff. Smile

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You're right. I tried to watch some off road and it was boring watching a 300 yard section of woods on a 20 mile loop. Just...

You're right. I tried to watch some off road and it was boring watching a 300 yard section of woods on a 20 mile loop. Just not camera friendly. Off road is huge here, way bigger than moto. I don't know anyone at all that does hard enduro. Or trials, or super moto, or drag bikes, or... pick a dying sport.

700 people at Horn last weekend for the NMA opener and not a single ambulance ride.  They'll have over 1,000 for NORCS in a few weeks.

Speaking of NORCS, your kid could probably do pretty good given his speed from moto.....

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I’ve always found it interesting that we all ride motorcycles in the dirt. Very cool. 

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You're right. I tried to watch some off road and it was boring watching a 300 yard section of woods on a 20 mile loop. Just...

You're right. I tried to watch some off road and it was boring watching a 300 yard section of woods on a 20 mile loop. Just not camera friendly. Off road is huge here, way bigger than moto. I don't know anyone at all that does hard enduro. Or trials, or super moto, or drag bikes, or... pick a dying sport.

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700 people at Horn last weekend for the NMA opener and not a single ambulance ride.  They'll have over 1,000 for NORCS in a few weeks.Speaking...

700 people at Horn last weekend for the NMA opener and not a single ambulance ride.  They'll have over 1,000 for NORCS in a few weeks.

Speaking of NORCS, your kid could probably do pretty good given his speed from moto.....

We have some buddies that do NORCS stuff. Looks like fun. Maybe we will since college is screwing up his seat time for moto. 

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2/28/2025 12:17pm

And we think motocross is niche......

LungButter wrote:
Compared to off road it is, way more participation in off road riding and racing across the board.It's just not as "glamorous" or easy to film...

Compared to off road it is, way more participation in off road riding and racing across the board.

It's just not as "glamorous" or easy to film so more money gets pumped into moto.  If the industry wanted to put money back into the people that actually pay their bills they'd be spending it in off road.

I said what I said 😉

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Yeah Loretta Lynns gets like 3500 people attending every year and GNCC averages 5000 every race with much more at Ironman. Loretta's is a hard example...

Yeah Loretta Lynns gets like 3500 people attending every year and GNCC averages 5000 every race with much more at Ironman. Loretta's is a hard example because amount of racers is capped but its still generally considered the biggest weekend in motocross. 

That’s really not a fair comparison.  Many more thousands attempt to qualify at area and regional qualifiers all across the country.  Only 3500 actually make the show.  Anybody can pay to enter a GNCC any time they feel like.  Additionally, there were nowhere near 5000 entries at the first round of the GNCC series this year.

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LungButter wrote:
Compared to off road it is, way more participation in off road riding and racing across the board.It's just not as "glamorous" or easy to film...

Compared to off road it is, way more participation in off road riding and racing across the board.

It's just not as "glamorous" or easy to film so more money gets pumped into moto.  If the industry wanted to put money back into the people that actually pay their bills they'd be spending it in off road.

I said what I said 😉

AMetts wrote:
Yeah Loretta Lynns gets like 3500 people attending every year and GNCC averages 5000 every race with much more at Ironman. Loretta's is a hard example...

Yeah Loretta Lynns gets like 3500 people attending every year and GNCC averages 5000 every race with much more at Ironman. Loretta's is a hard example because amount of racers is capped but its still generally considered the biggest weekend in motocross. 

That’s really not a fair comparison.  Many more thousands attempt to qualify at area and regional qualifiers all across the country.  Only 3500 actually make the...

That’s really not a fair comparison.  Many more thousands attempt to qualify at area and regional qualifiers all across the country.  Only 3500 actually make the show.  Anybody can pay to enter a GNCC any time they feel like.  Additionally, there were nowhere near 5000 entries at the first round of the GNCC series this year.

I think he meant gate attendance 

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3/1/2025 2:10am
You're right. I tried to watch some off road and it was boring watching a 300 yard section of woods on a 20 mile loop. Just...

You're right. I tried to watch some off road and it was boring watching a 300 yard section of woods on a 20 mile loop. Just not camera friendly. Off road is huge here, way bigger than moto. I don't know anyone at all that does hard enduro. Or trials, or super moto, or drag bikes, or... pick a dying sport.

You live in the PNW and don't know anyone that rides hard enduro? 

Yup, not one. All we ride is moto so that's our "community". I don't even know where you'd ride hard enduro here. I do know I'm...

Yup, not one. All we ride is moto so that's our "community". I don't even know where you'd ride hard enduro here. I do know I'm too old to smash myself up on that stuff. Smile

I hope this is sarcasm haha living in Idaho here and the amount of places to hard enduro is endless. Not to mention one of the biggest hard enduro races is every June here in Kellogg. Silver Kings Hard Enduro 

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I ride it all. Master of none. 

I recommend that everyone actually try a season of hard enduro. The learned bike skills are extremely valuable for every other discipline. I don’t like the crazy hard stuff that resembles more like pushing a wheelbarrow up a hill. But challenging terrain, side hills, rocky hill climb switchbacks are pretty satisfying to ride.  

Have fun out there. Expand your skills

 

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In the Northeast we call this hare scrambles races…

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Yup. 5 years ago I started some super technical (for me) stuff . Makes you a better rider and is very satisfying to improve so quickly. 

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Rode moto all the way up to mid twenty's, maybe I'm a wussy but the jumps kept getting bigger and bigger and the hits got harder and harder so I moved into the woods.  I know trees don't move but dang, those kids can have the huge doubles out of corners lol.

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In the Northeast we call this hare scrambles races…

Don't flatter yourself, if that was the case East Coast dudes would be using that skill to dominate Hard Enduro... and they aren't.

Just because you race through rocks does not make you a hard enduro expert.  Hell, I have mountains just out my back door that have more elevation to ride up than any mountain in your whole state and they aren't even big mountains for Idaho 😉

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Don't flatter yourself, if that was the case East Coast dudes would be using that skill to dominate Hard Enduro... and they aren't.Just because you race...

Don't flatter yourself, if that was the case East Coast dudes would be using that skill to dominate Hard Enduro... and they aren't.

Just because you race through rocks does not make you a hard enduro expert.  Hell, I have mountains just out my back door that have more elevation to ride up than any mountain in your whole state and they aren't even big mountains for Idaho 😉

Why so angry Bro….

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I live an hour from the TKO (ridden there twice) and I have no desire to ride that shit lol. I'm to OCD about keeping my bikes looking clean and nice to beat the shit out of them. But the guys that enjoy that are gnarly dudes, it just isn't fun for me.

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3/7/2025 1:09pm
sandman768 wrote:

In the Northeast we call this hare scrambles races…

LungButter wrote:
Don't flatter yourself, if that was the case East Coast dudes would be using that skill to dominate Hard Enduro... and they aren't.Just because you race...

Don't flatter yourself, if that was the case East Coast dudes would be using that skill to dominate Hard Enduro... and they aren't.

Just because you race through rocks does not make you a hard enduro expert.  Hell, I have mountains just out my back door that have more elevation to ride up than any mountain in your whole state and they aren't even big mountains for Idaho 😉

No Americans are dominating hard enduro full stop

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You're right. I tried to watch some off road and it was boring watching a 300 yard section of woods on a 20 mile loop. Just...

You're right. I tried to watch some off road and it was boring watching a 300 yard section of woods on a 20 mile loop. Just not camera friendly. Off road is huge here, way bigger than moto. I don't know anyone at all that does hard enduro. Or trials, or super moto, or drag bikes, or... pick a dying sport.

You live in the PNW and don't know anyone that rides hard enduro? 

Yup, not one. All we ride is moto so that's our "community". I don't even know where you'd ride hard enduro here. I do know I'm...

Yup, not one. All we ride is moto so that's our "community". I don't even know where you'd ride hard enduro here. I do know I'm too old to smash myself up on that stuff. Smile

Wouldn't call it all hard enduro but Reiter, Walker, Tahuya, Belfair, Mattawa, Saddle back (next to mattawa) to name a few. There is tons of woods / enduro up here its a well known spot for it but just not super publicized. 

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Endurocross/hard enduro is no joke. I tried to qualify for one of the endurocross rounds in Vegas a long time ago. I was in shape, rode moto weekly, and thought that my skills of the occasional single track ride would be enough. I had myself a very rude awakening. 

Here's the video. It's basically just me struggling to ride for 7 minuets. 

https://youtu.be/LBI-eTGX-E4?si=DBsoV8BXx6endHJE

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Endurocross/hard enduro is no joke. I tried to qualify for one of the endurocross rounds in Vegas a long time ago. I was in shape, rode...

Endurocross/hard enduro is no joke. I tried to qualify for one of the endurocross rounds in Vegas a long time ago. I was in shape, rode moto weekly, and thought that my skills of the occasional single track ride would be enough. I had myself a very rude awakening. 

Here's the video. It's basically just me struggling to ride for 7 minuets. 

https://youtu.be/LBI-eTGX-E4?si=DBsoV8BXx6endHJE

Good on ya for giving it a go though!

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sandman768 wrote:

Why so angry Bro….

Sorry man, that was meant to be in more of a "flipping you shit tone".

I got love for all the off road people and places, I've done a couple races in the North East and they were techincal for sure.

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Sorry man, that was meant to be in more of a "flipping you shit tone".I got love for all the off road people and places, I've...

Sorry man, that was meant to be in more of a "flipping you shit tone".

I got love for all the off road people and places, I've done a couple races in the North East and they were techincal for sure.

No worries…. I was just joking with my comment… I know the hard enduro riding is no joke….any kind of technical  off road riding is bad ass…I used to ride my trials bike on massive rock formations for hrs at a time, falling often until I improved…..It helped my riding skills immensely….it all crosses over….

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3/8/2025 10:16am

We have some buddies that do NORCS stuff. Looks like fun. Maybe we will since college is screwing up his seat time for moto. 

Do it! Horn is the perfect venue to break into it because it’s much more like moto than some of the other venues; No woods, rocks, etc. If you’ve only ever raced moto it will also be one the most fun races you’ve ever done, speaking from experience.
3/8/2025 11:31am

Such a bummer...the ripple effect of KTM's financial downfall....hope all of the current riders can still do the one-off races and make a splash...

This was coming before KTM had issues. The series and its management has always been a shit show. Riders and teams have been complaining vocally the last couple years. 

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