Lawrence Bros fire agent!!

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1/23/2025 11:56am

Lucas will take his fat ass back or OZ and never be heard of or seen again 

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1/23/2025 11:58am
GrapeApe wrote:

This could be a blessing in the sky for the Lawrences' image

ando wrote:

For all intensive purposes Mirtl’s career is done.

If only he'd walked the straightened arrow

I hope he doesn't get off scotch free

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1/23/2025 12:01pm
ando wrote:

For all intensive purposes Mirtl’s career is done.

That is the best case scenario for him

GrapeApe wrote:

What goes around is all around

Damn it Grape. I’m a moran

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This shit is bananas, b a n a n a s. If Wasserman fired him as well, there is definitely something there but we need more...

This shit is bananas, b a n a n a s. If Wasserman fired him as well, there is definitely something there but we need more facts. Wonder if we are ever getting those details

TriRacer27 wrote:

OR it could be them scrambling to keep the Lawrence family happy by distancing themselves from Lucas to keep them onboard. 

The Lawrence family value to wassermann is a rounding error for the company. Google them and what they have under their umbrella. They'd dump their entire list of motorsports clients before they'd take the hit to their reputation that would come from protecting a dirty agent. 

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1/23/2025 12:05pm

Damn!  Dude was FLYIN' at the test track!

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1/23/2025 12:08pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2025 12:10pm
kage173 wrote:

Yeah, and if there were no written policies and procedures for expense approvals, then the Lawrences might be walking this one back. 

 

aeffertz wrote:

You realize the company Mirtl was working for fired him as well, right?

I did. Read the Wasserman release again.

They dont say anything about fraud or involving the authorities (implying a crime). The Lawrences said that. If Mirtl had a side hustle with the Lawrences and setup a joint account, that's probably against Wasserman policies and is grounds for termination for cause. But that's not necessarily a crime. 

My original comment on this was thar I wasn't rushing to judgements. Maybe he did steal ir defraud the Lawrences; or maybe the Lawrences wanted fancy sponsorships with fashion designers and didn't understand the costs to land those deals.

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1/23/2025 12:08pm

Embezzlement, a tale as old as time. Now every rider that has been represented by him will go back and check. This is going to possibly end with jail time depending on the amount.

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Easy come, easy stay.

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1/23/2025 12:12pm
ando wrote:

For all intensive purposes Mirtl’s career is done.

If only he'd walked the straightened arrow

Echo wrote:

I hope he doesn't get off scotch free

I agree. No place in the sport for him and his elk 

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1/23/2025 12:15pm

My advice to Vital is be careful. Much of this is Libel. My brother is an attorney and I sent this to him, he's a firebreather and IF there was a "misunderstanding" ....Lawsuits are messy and Very expensive. That was a bizarre way for the Lawrence's to deal with this. Doesn't really surprise me though. 

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1/23/2025 12:15pm

i think you mean Ilk  and  Intents and purpose. Dumbos.

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Como te duele

Como te duele

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Such a tragedy and loss of a lovely young woman....

 

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1/23/2025 12:16pm
kage173 wrote:
I did. Read the Wasserman release again.They dont say anything about fraud or involving the authorities (implying a crime). The Lawrences said that. If Mirtl had...

I did. Read the Wasserman release again.

They dont say anything about fraud or involving the authorities (implying a crime). The Lawrences said that. If Mirtl had a side hustle with the Lawrences and setup a joint account, that's probably against Wasserman policies and is grounds for termination for cause. But that's not necessarily a crime. 

My original comment on this was thar I wasn't rushing to judgements. Maybe he did steal ir defraud the Lawrences; or maybe the Lawrences wanted fancy sponsorships with fashion designers and didn't understand the costs to land those deals.

The only thing the Lawrence’s PR accuse Mirtl of is “misuse and misappropriation of our personal funds”. 

Being “suspicious of fraudulent activities” isn’t defamatory nor is “continuing our investigation and turn over all findings to the relevant authorities”. 

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1/23/2025 12:17pm

i think you mean Ilk  and  Intents and purpose. Dumbos.

Nooo that doesn’t sound right 

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1/23/2025 12:18pm
ando wrote:

For all intensive purposes Mirtl’s career is done.

If only he'd walked the straightened arrow

Echo wrote:

I hope he doesn't get off scotch free

No way he does, Don’t bite the hound that needs you

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1/23/2025 12:19pm

If only he'd walked the straightened arrow

Echo wrote:

I hope he doesn't get off scotch free

RG437 wrote:

I agree. No place in the sport for him and his elk 

Well, he better remember that what comes around is all around. 

 

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1/23/2025 12:20pm

i think you mean Ilk  and  Intents and purpose. Dumbos.

You need to prove your metal before slinging insults. 

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1/23/2025 12:20pm
My advice to Vital is be careful. Much of this is Libel. My brother is an attorney and I sent this to him, he's a firebreather...

My advice to Vital is be careful. Much of this is Libel. My brother is an attorney and I sent this to him, he's a firebreather and IF there was a "misunderstanding" ....Lawsuits are messy and Very expensive. That was a bizarre way for the Lawrence's to deal with this. Doesn't really surprise me though. 

Hey Lucas.

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1/23/2025 12:21pm
kage173 wrote:
I did. Read the Wasserman release again.They dont say anything about fraud or involving the authorities (implying a crime). The Lawrences said that. If Mirtl had...

I did. Read the Wasserman release again.

They dont say anything about fraud or involving the authorities (implying a crime). The Lawrences said that. If Mirtl had a side hustle with the Lawrences and setup a joint account, that's probably against Wasserman policies and is grounds for termination for cause. But that's not necessarily a crime. 

My original comment on this was thar I wasn't rushing to judgements. Maybe he did steal ir defraud the Lawrences; or maybe the Lawrences wanted fancy sponsorships with fashion designers and didn't understand the costs to land those deals.

aeffertz wrote:
The only thing the Lawrence’s PR accuse Mirtl of is “misuse and misappropriation of our personal funds”. Being “suspicious of fraudulent activities” isn’t defamatory nor is “continuing...

The only thing the Lawrence’s PR accuse Mirtl of is “misuse and misappropriation of our personal funds”. 

Being “suspicious of fraudulent activities” isn’t defamatory nor is “continuing our investigation and turn over all findings to the relevant authorities”. 

OK you win

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1/23/2025 12:21pm
I just went to respond to a guy who quoted me but the post has been deleted. But here's my response to the guy who asked...

I just went to respond to a guy who quoted me but the post has been deleted. But here's my response to the guy who asked "Wouldn't that just be legitimate business expense?"

 

If it was something like excessive business expenses it would likely play out like this:

In Mirtl's mind he was flying private to Miami to meet with a big name to discuss potential sponsorship or deal.  He wrote off the private jett, the 5 star hotels, and all the expensive meals and entertainment while there for the week.  It's likely he did actually meet with someone while there to justify in his mind writing off a whole 60k trip, but that's where the excessive and misappropriate use of funds come into play.

And he just might be able to put together a defense that shows he was led to believe it was possible to use the joint account for his lavish "business developemnt" expenses with some sort of verbiage in the contract or a text/email conversatoin he had with someone involved.

This is why I would never come out and claim fraud and theft publicly even if I had solid evidence.  Because as you all have seen, if OJ can get off, anyone can get off as long as the defense is better than the plantiff/prosecutor.  I've seen some smoking gun cases lose in court due to poor prosecution and tehcnicalities.

Mirtl could also make a case that his accounts had been hacked and he had no idea the funds were being funneled out.  So much bullshit can be drummed up and it comes down to a jury in the end...

I reread your post after I replied and got the tone wrong so I went ahead and deleted my response. I agree 100% and think your OJ reference is definitely something to keep in mind. Depending on verbiage used in contracts, certain situations like you presented definitely muddy the water for prosecuting. 

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1/23/2025 12:23pm

Will some of you please spend 5 minutes reading about what libel actually is and what elements have to be present for a case to succeed? 

Hint: nothing in this thread comes close. Nothing the Lawrence family posted comes close on the face of it even if it turns out this was a big misunderstanding and Mirtl did nothing wrong...... 

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1/23/2025 12:26pm
truck wrote:
Will some of you please spend 5 minutes reading about what libel actually is and what elements have to be present for a case to succeed? Hint...

Will some of you please spend 5 minutes reading about what libel actually is and what elements have to be present for a case to succeed? 

Hint: nothing in this thread comes close. Nothing the Lawrence family posted comes close on the face of it even if it turns out this was a big misunderstanding and Mirtl did nothing wrong...... 

Wrong, I've seen my Brother win cases with less.

 

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truck wrote:
Will some of you please spend 5 minutes reading about what libel actually is and what elements have to be present for a case to succeed? Hint...

Will some of you please spend 5 minutes reading about what libel actually is and what elements have to be present for a case to succeed? 

Hint: nothing in this thread comes close. Nothing the Lawrence family posted comes close on the face of it even if it turns out this was a big misunderstanding and Mirtl did nothing wrong...... 

Wrong, I've seen my Brother win cases with less.

 

Cool. Post some links. Would love to read about these cases. 

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1/23/2025 12:28pm

Wrong, I've seen my Brother win cases with less.

 

You're not doing yourself any favors Mirtl.

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1/23/2025 12:30pm
ando wrote:

For all intensive purposes Mirtl’s career is done.

If only he'd walked the straightened arrow

Echo wrote:

I hope he doesn't get off scotch free

Maybe his cell will have a 'bathroom on the right.'

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truck wrote:
Will some of you please spend 5 minutes reading about what libel actually is and what elements have to be present for a case to succeed? Hint...

Will some of you please spend 5 minutes reading about what libel actually is and what elements have to be present for a case to succeed? 

Hint: nothing in this thread comes close. Nothing the Lawrence family posted comes close on the face of it even if it turns out this was a big misunderstanding and Mirtl did nothing wrong...... 

Wrong, I've seen my Brother win cases with less.

 

Just curious, is your brother mxxcdez? 

Thank you for joining the forum today to tell us all to be careful about what we say on this case. Appreciate your totally genuine attempts to look out for the members of the forum you joined today..... 

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1/23/2025 12:31pm
My advice to Vital is be careful. Much of this is Libel. My brother is an attorney and I sent this to him, he's a firebreather...

My advice to Vital is be careful. Much of this is Libel. My brother is an attorney and I sent this to him, he's a firebreather and IF there was a "misunderstanding" ....Lawsuits are messy and Very expensive. That was a bizarre way for the Lawrence's to deal with this. Doesn't really surprise me though. 

LungButter wrote:

Hey Lucas.

Lung,

I don't think gypsy is defending Lucas, nor am I.  I think he is just pointing out there there are a milion scenarios that can be twisted to use in court and ANYTHING can happen with a jury.  Stupid little things like a simple text message from Lucas to the Lawrences like "Hey guys, I have an opportunity to meet with the GM of Gucci to discuss sponsorship/fashion.  I think we have a good shot but it might take a little greasing"....Lawrences respond "Hell yeah, make it happen".

Then Lucas proceeds to fly to Italy and spend 60k to meet with them all while having his own vacation.  

In a court, couldn't there be a reasonable doubt with a jury when his defense makes a very solid case that Lucas was given the green light to "grease the wheels" and do what's necessary to sign the lavish deal?

There are jsut so many scnenarios that can be made up by these attorneys, which is what gypsy was referring to as "misunderstandings".

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1/23/2025 12:32pm

Minor thing but the saying is “to cut off your nose to spite your face.”

GrapeApe wrote:

This could be a blessing in the sky for the Lawrences' image

ando wrote:

For all intensive purposes Mirtl’s career is done.

Agreed. He seemingly took the Lawrences for granite. 

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1/23/2025 12:33pm Edited Date/Time 1/23/2025 12:35pm
Magoofan wrote:
I love this place... 

I love this place...

 

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aeffertz wrote:
I’ve done my best to not respond to you over the past while but seriously… leave it to you to turn literally ANY THREAD into “Deegan...

I’ve done my best to not respond to you over the past while but seriously… leave it to you to turn literally ANY THREAD into “Deegan haters/Lawrence nut swingers” discourse. You are a strange, strange individual.

EDIT:  page 10!!!

 

Come on man.....where did I mention Jett in my post.....don't smear me with false accusations bro....   🤣

Sense of humor much?     

Simple solution:  Maybe you and others who have such a problem with me can just learn to skip over my posts, just like I do with a number of people on Vital.      ....but the biggest complainers are the ones who just can't seem to help themselves.      

Back to the show...

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1/23/2025 12:34pm
My advice to Vital is be careful. Much of this is Libel. My brother is an attorney and I sent this to him, he's a firebreather...

My advice to Vital is be careful. Much of this is Libel. My brother is an attorney and I sent this to him, he's a firebreather and IF there was a "misunderstanding" ....Lawsuits are messy and Very expensive. That was a bizarre way for the Lawrence's to deal with this. Doesn't really surprise me though. 

Welcome to VitalMX!  Tell your brother that (in my opinion) he is a dipshit!

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