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I don't think there is any doubt one of KTM's main customers was the prestige buyer. Wanting them to fail sucks.
KTM still has a good product, good development, good network... Its not like they are an airplane company who's planes are crashing or a pharmaceutical company who's drugs dont work, KTM still has a good product and there is value. KTM's issue is financial, they need to restructure and a financial savior. Looking at their stock price and market action, I can see a lot of upside if they sort a few things out.
what… no … i hadn’t heard that!
I’ll agree with that with one exception…
KTM’s problems are managerial of the highest order.
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I don't want KTM to fail,I'm just shocked at this situation and trying to understand how to fix it.
In stock maybe, but an element will be 2026 model year that they are part way through producing. The more relevant number is unsold previous model year, of which I have heard there are between 80-100,000 globally.
Here on Vitalmx (maybe I glossed over it) not seeing folks cheering on and hoping KTM fails..Yes folks are taking shots at them ( and well deserved shots), but not an outright hope they fail.,..
I think there is definitely an irritation towards KTM that they could have gotten themselves in this situation after record sales the past several years,..where did all the damn money go! For sure we want the CEO to suffer financially…
I am really curious how this will all work out. KTM is sitting on a shit ton of bikes, something like 130k units.
If they have a firesale on those units, won't that drop the value of the 100k units sitting on US Dealership floors to well below cost?
Someone pm me when KTM brands are half off 🤣
Realistically, if they came out and chopped MSRP's in half(through factory rebates or whatever) it would drop the value of almost every modern dirt bike in creation, whether said bike is on a dealer floor or otherwise.
Yes it will. The dealers have to get rebate credits on all the bikes that they already paid for. If they factory undercuts the dealer network it could destroy it.
For all Pierer's faults I don't see him letting that happen. It was already an option he passed on.
My question is how in fuck do they still sponsor a US sx effort. Suppliers and employees owed money. Here Chase here's ur 150k for December. And here's ur 100k for winning A1.
That's marketing. They are getting shit talked left and right on forums, social media, etc. Racing is probably one of the last things they could use to strengthen their brand, which keeps taking hits left and right every single day. If they pull out of racing completely, it's like they're giving up.
Interesting read... https://superbikeplanet.com/story/1346/a-press-release-that-so-fully-il…
What dealer purchases their bikes up front?
In Australia they where made to pay for their floor stock when shit hit the fan with KTM
Their current offers are like -10% but that just takes them above bikes from Japan. I dont see that will accelerate their sale numbers.
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Motorcycle sales and all powersports products is a numbers game, simple as that.KTM's problems are exponentially based, to the power of probably 100. Lots of concerned parties are going to pay a dear price before this is over, wether they survive or not, and a lot of those people have none of the blame.
Sounds about right to me. They have to be optimistic and make it seem like things are looking up. Anyone recall how Bear Stearns tried to play off their collapse until the last second?
Its all gone to hell ever since Roger stepped down
KTM has no choice but to put on a positive face. They see everything being discussed on social media, and forums like this. It's all negative, and like others have said in these various threads, it almost seems like many people want them to fail. However, I personally believe that would be terrible for the industry as a whole, so hopefully they will come out of it. But if they just stayed silent, pulled out of racing, etc then it would look like they were throwing in the towel. Now, they may be forced to do all that stuff, guess we'll have to see how it's all played out.
OK I have been around this industry long enough that I remember when a friend bought a new 1975 CR250 at a really good price when Honda started blowing them out in 78 or 79
Its nothing new to the industry.
One thing I don’t understand- my local KTM dealer had been selling KTMs for 30 years, then this year KTM demanded they spend five figures to update their showroom, or they’d lose the brand.
The dealer said he couldn’t justify spending that much- so KTM canned him.
Now this dealer was established and busy.
He ran a UK leading parts mail order service as well.
I spoke C with him and he said he wasn’t alone- there were numerous UK dealers who had the same treatment.
Why would KTM do this if they desperately need to shift units??
IF KTM bailed and went back to the old GP team and off road the numbers would crash.
Good racers and results are advertising.
This is standard practice with any franchised dealer. Every one of them agrees to it when they sign up to be a dealer, it’s called corporate ID and it’s under showroom standards.
Prices range from £7k for Yamaha Off Road up to £200,000 for 360 franchises but it’s a thing with every main dealer. In every instance there is a payment plan and for every manufacturer there’s a 3-6 cycle for when they update logos, models etc. They aren’t always full refurbs but it is a part of their agreement to keep it up to date
all true
I don’t understand how it all works but KTM North America seems to be ok for the time being from what folks have said.
I’d say 150k is way low. $3-4 mill salary from KTM.
He was saying $150K for the month, not year.
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