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OK Brass tax - whats it cost? $1200? $2200? if it priced low enough it might get adopted. What about spares? Who do you call? Replace the whole bike?
Bring on the Chinese, Senagalese, and all the other eses.
250 and 450's should cost half of what we pay.
Bash it all you want based on assumptions but if they are buying up frames from Honda then they are already made by Honda so unless I hear otherwise Im going to assume they are buying engines and frames from honda direct so the quality of those components shouldn't be suspect......Honda is making money hand over fist still mfg the frames and selling toem to a Chinese company....wheres the problem?
As for the clamps, again if they (China) were building the 1000's we consumed over here from the well reputed aftermarket companies then why would they not have the capability to biuld them over there?
The bolts? Well I dont know about them but even CCM buys engines from Yamaha So essentially the CCM is a KTM clone with a yamaha engine in it right?
and roomtofly, you are 100% correct more competition = lower prices....that helps all of us. Please let a reputable magazine test the bike before you bash the hell out of it based on zero facts ..... let someone that actually tests bikes for a living give an unbiased opinion on what appears to be an 05-08 CRF450 being assembled somewhere else. Looks like Honda is still making the parts and selling them to another company to make extra cash.
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Also the bike doesn't have to have comparable in specs and performance to a 2011. Only needs to match a well worn in 2006ish model.
I rode a 2002 CRF recently. It was really a pile even though this example was in good shape. Should be easy for them to equal something like that.
I will bet the farm Honda does not make that frame.
Please, all that garbage that came out a few years ago.. pitbikes...notice after 3-4 months they were all in a pile never to be seen again.
How about that carb.... and those forks and shock.
Its one thing to make cheap pitbikes....but its another to rip off a 450 design and pass it off as a legit, durability tested Motocross machine.
Please someone school me.. what am I missing?
(CR125, but you get the picture)
Unfortunately, due to the great firewall of China, I can't actually view the vids in this thread, but I can still comment on the general quality of Chinese bikes.
First off, the chinese manufacturers don't care so much about high performance, all that concerns them is high quantities, in my city alone over 8million bikes are produced each year.
Then we have the chinese market, it's a hell of a lot bigger market than the US, and the people don't demand the high performance and quality that us westerners expect.
Now in terms of the quality, I have been to some amazing places and seen parts produced to the highest standard. It's not that they cant do it, it's just that there is no need. For the bikes my company is designing, it has taken a long time to set up a supplier base purely because most say 'Why would I make 5 or 10 thousand units to a very high tolerance when I can make 100000 for a Chinese company with very loose tolerances.'
So the problem actually is with the engineers, not the manufacturers. If any of the large firms decide they want to raise their game and compete with the Japs, or if any new players come in with huge capital then we will see the entire industry up its game.
But most of these guys are pretty small fish and the chinese won't be taking over the industry just yet, but they have all the systems and capabilites should they chose to, it's just about when..
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i am not saying i would buy a china big bike now, but maybe in a few years when they are even better.
BTW, ATK?
Along the lines of what you just said, think about this: modern 4 stroke mxers require alot of know how and money to participate in this sport. Let's say a total novice to the sport buys a new CRF250 for his beginner kid. He immediately crashes, bends the bars and breaks the lever. He goes to the shop and learns that new bars (Renthal stock) cost $100! and the lever is $10, whatever. Then he keeps riding, never reads the manual or talks to anyone for advice. Soon he runs dirt thru the airfilter (that he never cleaned) or just never changes the oil, and the bike blows up (probably longer than 3 months cuz it's a Japanese bike). Now he has a $7000.00 POS! This sport is super expensive! But we keep doing it because we are stupid and it is alot of fun!
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Not Chinese, though!
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