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Some takeaways;- “Glacial Till!”- “Chaos Corner!”- Vince still doing Vince things but the other riders got better at dealing with him- broadcast was pretty rough across...

Some takeaways;

- “Glacial Till!”

- “Chaos Corner!”

- Vince still doing Vince things but the other riders got better at dealing with him

- broadcast was pretty rough across the board but i kinda wasn’t expecting much here 

- not showing the points standings throughout the event really should be addressed (I watched replays on YouTube so maybe they did in between motos and I just didn’t see it) but the announcers didn’t talk about it either

- Sure, Tomac and Roczen are getting paid but they are both still coming back from some time off and I’d imagine gate drops and a paycheck seem more appealing instead of pounding out laps at a test track, especially in the tail end of their careers. Curious how they will feel come A1 compared to boot camp/just practicing vs. racing this series

- Kristen > Will …..there, I said it 

Yeah, I watched the entire TV broadcast, and I'm still not sure what the format was.  

 

Did they earn championship points on each gate drop, and the overall winner was Tomac in the Super Main event? 

Also, did the stadium floor just seem more dull than a Supercross stadium?  I can't put my finger on it exactly.  Maybe because most (all?) the tough blocks were "WSX" branded, instead of various sponsors?  Maybe it was the black/orange color just isn't as vibrant?  But somehow the track overall just seemed "minor league" compared to the Feld product.

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and i got down votes on page 3 while trying to explain the same with different words 🙄

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Hopefully that shuts a few people up. I’ve never understood the criticism. Other then looking cheap, what’s the problem?

It’s new, it’s different. People really like to whine and bitch about everything.

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10/28/2024 10:52am

Watched it today...

And people here think Bondo is bad...

😄

 

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10/28/2024 11:12am
RACING wrote:

Watched it today...

And people here think Bondo is bad...

😄

 

Yeah, this is my first year watching the full races and it was an eye opener. Last year my moms boyfriend watched one of the wsx races on the tv when he was in the hospital, but I didn't ask him his thoughts on the broadcast.

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10/28/2024 11:24am
Some takeaways;- “Glacial Till!”- “Chaos Corner!”- Vince still doing Vince things but the other riders got better at dealing with him- broadcast was pretty rough across...

Some takeaways;

- “Glacial Till!”

- “Chaos Corner!”

- Vince still doing Vince things but the other riders got better at dealing with him

- broadcast was pretty rough across the board but i kinda wasn’t expecting much here 

- not showing the points standings throughout the event really should be addressed (I watched replays on YouTube so maybe they did in between motos and I just didn’t see it) but the announcers didn’t talk about it either

- Sure, Tomac and Roczen are getting paid but they are both still coming back from some time off and I’d imagine gate drops and a paycheck seem more appealing instead of pounding out laps at a test track, especially in the tail end of their careers. Curious how they will feel come A1 compared to boot camp/just practicing vs. racing this series

- Kristen > Will …..there, I said it 

RichieW13 wrote:
Yeah, I watched the entire TV broadcast, and I'm still not sure what the format was.   Did they earn championship points on each gate drop, and...

Yeah, I watched the entire TV broadcast, and I'm still not sure what the format was.  

 

Did they earn championship points on each gate drop, and the overall winner was Tomac in the Super Main event? 

Also, did the stadium floor just seem more dull than a Supercross stadium?  I can't put my finger on it exactly.  Maybe because most (all?) the tough blocks were "WSX" branded, instead of various sponsors?  Maybe it was the black/orange color just isn't as vibrant?  But somehow the track overall just seemed "minor league" compared to the Feld product.

I think the combination of the color of the dirt plus the mostly black livery on the tough boxes really makes it seem dull on camera. I was on the fence of the high-vis color way that SMX adopted but it really does pop against the color of dirt and under the lights. 

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10/28/2024 11:39am
Some takeaways;- “Glacial Till!”- “Chaos Corner!”- Vince still doing Vince things but the other riders got better at dealing with him- broadcast was pretty rough across...

Some takeaways;

- “Glacial Till!”

- “Chaos Corner!”

- Vince still doing Vince things but the other riders got better at dealing with him

- broadcast was pretty rough across the board but i kinda wasn’t expecting much here 

- not showing the points standings throughout the event really should be addressed (I watched replays on YouTube so maybe they did in between motos and I just didn’t see it) but the announcers didn’t talk about it either

- Sure, Tomac and Roczen are getting paid but they are both still coming back from some time off and I’d imagine gate drops and a paycheck seem more appealing instead of pounding out laps at a test track, especially in the tail end of their careers. Curious how they will feel come A1 compared to boot camp/just practicing vs. racing this series

- Kristen > Will …..there, I said it 

RichieW13 wrote:
Yeah, I watched the entire TV broadcast, and I'm still not sure what the format was.   Did they earn championship points on each gate drop, and...

Yeah, I watched the entire TV broadcast, and I'm still not sure what the format was.  

 

Did they earn championship points on each gate drop, and the overall winner was Tomac in the Super Main event? 

Also, did the stadium floor just seem more dull than a Supercross stadium?  I can't put my finger on it exactly.  Maybe because most (all?) the tough blocks were "WSX" branded, instead of various sponsors?  Maybe it was the black/orange color just isn't as vibrant?  But somehow the track overall just seemed "minor league" compared to the Feld product.

I think the combination of the color of the dirt plus the mostly black livery on the tough boxes really makes it seem dull on camera...

I think the combination of the color of the dirt plus the mostly black livery on the tough boxes really makes it seem dull on camera. I was on the fence of the high-vis color way that SMX adopted but it really does pop against the color of dirt and under the lights. 

I agree. Also the huge fireworks show made it smokey all race. Gave it a low contrast blurred effect on the stream. 

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10/28/2024 12:19pm

More whoops than AMA SX?

Yes but they were small. 

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10/28/2024 12:29pm

More whoops than AMA SX?

thearc wrote:

Yes but they were small. 

And more prize money? 

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10/28/2024 4:33pm

I will say, Micah Kranz and Ryan Gaulds announcing at BC place was really good live. Gauldy is one of the best announcers in my opinion

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10/28/2024 9:56pm
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Did anyone else catch that the lap counter was always wrong. It was showing how many laps were completed, not what lap they were on. went to...

Did anyone else catch that the lap counter was always wrong. It was showing how many laps were completed, not what lap they were on. 

went to 8/8 as they crossed the line. 

Timing was fucked up because the intermediate split wasnt picking half the riders up, so it was all over the place, that makes it hard work to follow, and hearing the crowd get loud while we are watching a battle for 12th for 4 laps was a tad annoying. 

 

Pop Shmoke wrote:
I noticed the same thing too, they were counting the laps wrong. Normally lap 7/8 would be 2nd to last lap and then 8/8 would be...

I noticed the same thing too, they were counting the laps wrong. Normally lap 7/8 would be 2nd to last lap and then 8/8 would be the final lap. Instead they were counting 7/8 as the last lap and theyd wave the checkers right as it ticked over to the start of 8/8. So they werent doing the 8th lap cuz the flag waved right as lap 8 started. This is one of those small things that should be obvious but somehow it got overlooked. There was a good amount of little blips like that which were kind of makes the whole thing look amateur especially now that were 3 years in and they still cant get the small things right. I didnt see a lot of improvement tbh it looked the same as it always has from day/year 1 where they get a lot of the little details wrong. Still glad we had some racing, but they need to clean it up, they were having these problems before by hiring new people at every round and it looks the same all this time later. 
 

Zacka 161 wrote:
This year is a clear out of the executive board... a whole new team. They got the big stuff right.  A good track, a sane racing...

This year is a clear out of the executive board... a whole new team. They got the big stuff right.  A good track, a sane racing format, no longer overlapping with US Supercross, two top riders for the whole series, the previews and marketting is sane and not just marketting fluff, the CEO is humble and on the broadcast says they are taking it race by race...

The MX Nationals had a decade of timing and scoring dramas... it took them a decade to fix it... So cut em some slack...

The small things are the final tweaks, focussing on the small thing was where the previous management failed -- they focussed on the signage and hype up videos and that diabolical on bike camera thing while the format was dumb, the tracks were bad and the presentation in person (i went to Melbourne twice) was confusing and weird. 

I mean I want this to be true, I’m rooting for these guys hard. I think the sport is better with wsx than without it ESPECIALLY if some of the top euro guys start racing wsx. That being said racing back to back races in each class seems like a “big thing” they got wrong. They can get away with it once or twice, but what if eli or roczen had crashed or had a mechanical dnf. The 5 minute break between races means their night is completely over. Then not running the correct amount of laps is another big problem. Timing and scoring ill give em a pass cuz the nationals have been bad too. I feel like theyre going to have to switch this format around AGAIN because back to back races is not gonna work when a lot of their entire selling power will be paying a couple top guys to show up. They need to make sure that those guys can make every main unless its a catastrophic injury, them missing a main cuz the format is wonky will just make them look like they dicked it all up… again. 

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10/28/2024 10:02pm
Some takeaways;- “Glacial Till!”- “Chaos Corner!”- Vince still doing Vince things but the other riders got better at dealing with him- broadcast was pretty rough across...

Some takeaways;

- “Glacial Till!”

- “Chaos Corner!”

- Vince still doing Vince things but the other riders got better at dealing with him

- broadcast was pretty rough across the board but i kinda wasn’t expecting much here 

- not showing the points standings throughout the event really should be addressed (I watched replays on YouTube so maybe they did in between motos and I just didn’t see it) but the announcers didn’t talk about it either

- Sure, Tomac and Roczen are getting paid but they are both still coming back from some time off and I’d imagine gate drops and a paycheck seem more appealing instead of pounding out laps at a test track, especially in the tail end of their careers. Curious how they will feel come A1 compared to boot camp/just practicing vs. racing this series

- Kristen > Will …..there, I said it 

RichieW13 wrote:
Yeah, I watched the entire TV broadcast, and I'm still not sure what the format was.   Did they earn championship points on each gate drop, and...

Yeah, I watched the entire TV broadcast, and I'm still not sure what the format was.  

 

Did they earn championship points on each gate drop, and the overall winner was Tomac in the Super Main event? 

Also, did the stadium floor just seem more dull than a Supercross stadium?  I can't put my finger on it exactly.  Maybe because most (all?) the tough blocks were "WSX" branded, instead of various sponsors?  Maybe it was the black/orange color just isn't as vibrant?  But somehow the track overall just seemed "minor league" compared to the Feld product.

I noticed that too, I couldnt tell if the stadium itself was darker inside than normal or if it was something else, but thats what it looked like. I figured it was either the stadium itself had dimmer lights inside than US stadiums, some type of like contrast issue with the broadcast or cameras, a ventilation issue making it smokey, plus the color of the dirt or all of them combined. Whatever it was it seemed dark. 

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10/29/2024 12:07am

A few residual Ralph and RC fans in the house I see?  

Couldn't get enough of the fuck-ups, man bodies, and alligators aye? 

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10/29/2024 9:22am
Sparling wrote:

I will say, Micah Kranz and Ryan Gaulds announcing at BC place was really good live. Gauldy is one of the best announcers in my opinion

 The old fat guys who were hitting on the young girls asking them if they wanted a man friend, those guys? I thought they were the worst part of the show.

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10/29/2024 12:19pm Edited Date/Time 10/29/2024 12:29pm

As a fan of Tomac and Roczen...I'm just glad a race happened. BUT, the camera production was absolute shit. Almost never watched the battle up front. And instead we get to watch 10th place....10th in a series of 2 legends and the rest are 10-20 place guys normally. For a "series" I deem inferior in every way, it proved exactly why its a fair-race level event. Dirt had more rocks than Unadilla. Track was dangerously choppy in most areas. At least they could blitz the whoops instead of pussy jumping thru them like the ones Feld creates now. Granted they got smaller as the night went on because of maintenance and weren't even tough. (Tomac wheelied the whole section multiple times).. Most crashes I've seen in a Pro race night in history. Track was way too narrow. CARDBOARD....the cardboard was back!. No safety tuff blocks, just air and paper, people...ffs. Half the guys that crashed into the boxes were trying to pack their bikes into them to ship them the hell outta there.. Freezy was a dick as he normally is. How any sanctioning body lets him race professionally is astounding.

edit: Don't even get me started on Raplh and Emig...worst duo in MX commentator history.

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10/29/2024 12:26pm

The dirt was a paid actor tho...

 

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10/29/2024 12:31pm

It was a decent event

Friese, once again proves he is the most irrelevant man in moto.  Hasn't raced since last season, and the only thing he can do to keep himself relevant is block other racers as he goes backwards.   

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It was a decent eventFriese, once again proves he is the most irrelevant man in moto.  Hasn't raced since last season, and the only thing he...

It was a decent event

Friese, once again proves he is the most irrelevant man in moto.  Hasn't raced since last season, and the only thing he can do to keep himself relevant is block other racers as he goes backwards.   

That's his race-craft, hole-shot, protect the insides, and hold on....

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