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Out of all those riders you listed who is consistent in results?
Deegan and ?????????
Consistency is lacking in all those riders. So, with all those riders being extremely inconsistent is the class deep?
Fast as hell yes but consistent no.
You just ramble irrelevant talking points to the discussion. I find it hard to believe you typed that and thought it made logical sense.
Literally not one thing you said had ANYTHING to do with the point I made.
Some people saying losing talents like vialle , prado, coenon bros and de wolf in matter of couple of years doesnt make a big dent on the GPs is crazy. GPs are declining fast, if something doesn't change soon its going to be a shit show and people will stop showing up . Add that herlings, fevbre, seweer and coldenhoff are probably done in 2 yrs.
Where were KdW and the Coenens two years ago? Not at the top of the MX2 heap.
That’s the thing about the European system, it fosters talent. That’s exactly why the Lawrences went there before the US.
Talent comes and goes, and there’s more coming through MX2 to replace those leaving. Can the US currently say the same thing?
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Some GP champions come to the US but it's hardly a flood. Prado is the first premier class champion to make the jump in 30 years. A number of MX2 champions have come - Pichon, Langston, Townley, Pourcel, Rattray, Roczen, Musquin, and Vialle - but that's also spread over nearly 30 years.
MXGP has done it to itself. We are trending toward having the best of the best here. I selfishly love it.
You could make a similar argument for the US series. Roczen, Webb, Tomac, Anderson, Barcia, Ferrandis are all on the downside of their careers and will all be gone in the next couple of years. AP is 28, Justin Cooper moved up to 450's having only won a 250SX title four years ago. Currently Chase is the only 450 guy who is a product of the US system and a genuine title contender.
Deegan is obviously the next talent coming through, but even he was helped this year by the terrible inconsistency from his main title challengers in the 250 class. The last 4 American riders to win a 250SX title have been RJ, Christian Craig, Justin Cooper and Colt Nichols. The other 4 were won by riders coming through Europe and had never ridden SX until the came to the US.
Albertyne and Tortelli?
I forgot about Tortelli, make it 25 years not 30.
If there are so many prospects, why so many empty gates?
What do gate fillers have to do with the talent coming through?
Because there is no money for riders outside top 10-15 in MXGP and MX2.
For the 250 class there actually is more then a full field at 10 European Grand Prix, on average over 70 entries, its just spread out over the MX2 and EMX250 class. Young talent is still trying to get into GP via EMX250, no issue at all. Also with a lot of talent in emx250 who would be top 15 contenders in mx2 right away.
MXGP is a different story, what you see is you lose the guys who used to 'invest' in their career in hopes to make it. They now realise they are simply spending money to be a p.19 guy in MXGP. And they have the alternative to make money in national series and simply prefer that. Nagl, Mewse, Tixier, Boisrame, etc. etc.
Name a few talents then .........like coenen or ..de wolf......
The point being made, is that US fans are pretty much ignorant to MXGP, and we had to explain to the 10 US fans in front of us, who he was, and that he wasnt even a GP rider at that point.
And , shit as you think he was, he was beating your best guy at the time.
Whereas pretty much everyone here knows who is who, in MX , and SX and who the fast amateur guys are.
The point that Deegan is the only real stand out , is a point that stands. How many times is Forkner going to get a go at winning on a 250, because there is nobody better to replace him. By my maths this will be his 16th attempt, and PC has yet to find anyone better.
No idea how he will develop in the Grand Prix but Mathis Valin has a better track record in EMX125 and EMX250 compared to both.
Hmm, I think 17 years for 450 is too early. Ask Prado
It’s not the riders in GPs.
It’s not the teams in the GPs.
It’s the series that is a shit show and the fly away races are a complete joke.
Pay sucks and racing the GPs is NOT fun.
Literally, being a GP racer sucks.
Come across the pond and the pay is good, tracks are great, weather is good for training and it’s actually fun to goto work and then race on weekends.
So all things being equal, of course everyone globally wants to come to America and be a champion.
Explain to me why you wouldn’t??
You can’t possibly be that ignorant
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Apparently very little since the prospects can make more at a local race than they can at a gp.
We don't really know if there is anyone better to replace him because once you get on the Factory Rider gravy train in the 250s and show a flash of "winning speed" you get to stay on that gravy train until you earn enough to retire.
So many amateur kids that haven't gotten a shot during the decade that Smith and Forkner and Mcadoo and Hampshire etc. etc. have been crash testing factory bikes....
Maybe MXGP has it right with their age limit for the 250 class.
Yes that's right and he did very well this year.....in my opinion the only real talent in emx this year but coenen already won in the mx2 at the age of 16
Spot on that last race in spain is a perfect example. The people running the show are in it for pure greed. But you can get away with bullshit for only so long. Prado has been one complaining about the tracks for years and probably said fuck it and left to america. He stated in one interview the tracks in the GPs are not fun to ride .
Some of the tracks in MXGP are bad, there’s no getting away from that, but ‘not fun to ride’ doesn’t necessarily mean it’s bad. I’m sure Ernee isn’t that much fun to ride, but it’s a great track.
Let’s not forget that in America there is 17 weeks of riding essentially all the same obstacles in a different configuration
Hampshire finally paid off.....
That's like saying golf is simple....you hit the ball and it goes in the hole.....simple isn't always easy....
To be clear I’m not saying that SX is easy because it’s the same obstacles in a different configuration. I’m saying if your gripe is that MXGP tracks are bad because they are flat, unimaginative and not fun, well, SX is essentially 17 weeks of riding totally flat tracks with the same obstacles in a different order.
I know it’s a slightly different discipline, but there aren’t any MXGP tracks worse than Dallas SMX or Birmingham SX for example
Dallas was a mistake all around..... and also ironic because the cancelled freestone due to heat, but smx is A-OK.
The current and possibly, future state of MXGP is no reflection on the riders, they are as good as any in the world... The issue is the management of the series. Their greed and motivation is contrary to what the success of the series needs and would benefit from. But as long as the tracks/countries, etc are willing to pay the big money to hold the races, it doesn't really matter what riders are there or not. You think KDW's comment about most riders wanting to come race AMA isn't based on how they see their future?? All you have to do is think about it.
You sir are on to something
Janis Reisulis is a big talent but whe was out injured all year.
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