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That track was really rough, I'm betting MA will do great on smoother GP style tracks. They need to find a set-up for rougher stuff.
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You guys are fucking hilarious. The guy after a year off and coming back on a new team , with a brand new bike ,and a new sized bike is 3rd in points 6 motos into the series with a moto win. I'd say that's a huge testament to how good the bike is. There's only 2 450's with more points then the guy.
At least it seems the top 5 is a toss up this year, minus dungey, and we all know his first round was not great.
The 350 will be fine, lets all talk about how great Josh grant did on his magical 450 second moto....
The 350 is replacing what the 250 two stroke was.
What was that? A bike that wasn't a 500, but not a 125 (obviously).
Modern 450's at factory level are very similar to 500's...it's the same story, different stroke.
I personally race a 250 two stroke, own a 125, used to race extremely competitively with 250f's, and hop on 450's all the time (and wonder why I did every time after getting off)
The 450 in motion is just too much bike, and while the power is absolutely awesome in all respects, the weight limits the bike from turning quickly, and for ME, most notably, when it gets out of line or sideways in bumps, or whoops, or anything to that nature...it's a bear to get back.
The riding community has forgotten just how awesome 125' turn...heck I own one and every single time I ride it I cant believe we still ride 450's! I dont mean how great the chassis is...I mean the light weight and feeling that if you even think it, it will do it.
IMHO the 350 will be what the 250 two stroke was to the 500...which ultimately means the death of the 450.
If any member on this forum can honestly say they use every ounce their stock 450 can give them around a motocross track, then what's your name I want an autograph! The fact is Ryan Dungey would probably still have gotten first this weekend on a stock powerplant. Power is not an isue these days, especially for us "joe schmoe" consumers.
Pourcel - French
Rattray SA Ex GP
Wilson- Scottish
Searle - English ExGP
Reed - Oz ExGP
Townley - NZ ExGP
Metcalf - OZ
Not to mention . Bayle, Tortelli, Roncada, Vullimen, etc yeah you are right Europe is just a bunch of fucking slow assed , 19th century jackoffs .
What exactly is your problem that you have to disrespect an entire continent ?
I seriously doubt that...but I would agree most stock 450s are more than enough for us mere mortals.
And "BobbyM"....KTM enjoys a very loyal following in the offroad world, especially with guys that take there single track riding seriously. You go to ANY offroad event, and it's a sea of orange!
But they've still got a lot of work to do, to make there mark here & be a force in American motocross. But I wouldn't call them a piece of shit...they're actually a pretty well thought out/designed/durable bike.
Well said DD. All this ktm hatred pisses me off. Everyone seems to be jumping in the bandwagon. I do not care what ktm was like back in the day, they have changed their program these last few years. Their bike dont "fall apart" or "blow up." Everyone just seems to believe what they hear from others.
Dude stop drinking the Kool-aid Mike cant win because of MIKE the bike had NOTHING to do with him throwing out the boat anchor....yes team managers have a purpose but once the gate drops their job is out of their hands that bike is MORE than competitive and there are a lot of other riders that can prove that .....have you not been reading the rave reviews the bike is getting from the mag testers?????????? If it was that SLOW and that shitty of a bike the stock platform wouldn't work either ....ego's are way too proud to be crushed sometimes and its sad some of you blame the bike for Mike's lack of success but if a 250f can un dam near the same laptimes REGARDLESS of line selection then that further proves my point......glad you could make an invalid point and if James raced the bike YES he would kill everyone on it....even if you take time off of riding at a level of speed, you NEVER forget how to go that fast it's just a matter of fitness
After my injury and a year off the bike I am no slower than I was befpre I got hurt my lack of fitness and being able to hold the pace for more than a couple laps is the only thin in question....James will come back and make you look like an idiot just like the 350 has done at ALL the GP rounds, Hangtown, and the USGP @ GH ....just face it the bike is good enough and it can win all I hope is that KTM posts dyno results compared to a 450 so the rest of you people bitching about the 100cc disadvantage will STFU ....ill bet even then some will still cry foul....KTM built a winner and you'll soon see that when the big 4 go to the same design......seems to me with the 4 strokes that displacement isn't as much of a factor as it was when we were mixing our gas with oil. IMO
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By this post you got served and Im glad someone pointed it out
From the sounds of it you must either work for the big four at a dealership that doesn't sell KTM's or you are a stooge for one of the Japanese mfg's because your logic and distain for ktm is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off base.
Carry on....
Yes the 350 will be the death of te 450 basically what will happen is when the 350 is accepted by the Japanese then the 450 will receive less and less updates much like the 500 2 stroke did and GASP! we will have to learn how to ride a MX bike again! Oh my the sky is falling!!!
I got blasted abou the 350 the other day because I said a pipe is all it would take for a 350 to make the bike race ready against a 450 and the funny thing is that NOBODY on this board can even ride a bone stock 450 to it's fullest potential yet Im 99% sure you all have some aftermarket pipe on the bike which makes it faster yet is worthless..... at least on the smokers the pipes actually served a purpose ....
Not one rider I know doesn't have a pipe on their 450 so that opinon about the 350 "needing" one to keep up with a 450 is shit ....face it most riders want a pipe on their bike because if nothing else it looks cool but not one single rider on here can take advantage of the added hp it provides....my 04 crf450 never got one because it didn't need it...I rode the bike just fine without it ...and if you think for a minute that an aftermarket co like PC woudn't be stoked to have revenue back that was lost due to the 450 having too much power then go back to business 101 because you are way out of touch....PC like other companies that do motor work are in this biz to make money for a passion of the sport they love and a 350 that is modded will only help them......
I cant imagine how much an aftermarket motor company has lost revenue due to a 450 not needing ANY motor work because they are too powerful.... again ill bet 99% of even PC's engine mods for bikes are for 250f's not 450's. At worst the 350 will revive that because before the 4 stroke "revolution" BOTH 125's and 250 2 strokes got engine treatment regardless of what class a rider was in.....now it's not necessary and im sure almost all the performance shops are seeing this very same trend.
Amazing how you continue to disrespect the riders in the AMA series.
I could maybe see your point had he never won another title after he left Honda, but with what happend after he got off the Zuk, it's pretty obvious to me. He won 3 more SX Titles after leaving with ease!
Bauer - "99% of you guys are fucking idiots."
A great fucking post.
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