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Hilarious title.... that has to stick.🤣
Read it again, it says all dirt bikes are toys not all dikes are boys.
Another kick in the balls for Stark.
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lol I didn’t mean that my bad!
Hmm good question, your philosophy behind that thought makes sense to me. Although I’ve never been a scoop guy even in the beach sand I ride, I still prefer the mx34. But that’s so subjective for people.
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Nah have never ridden Southern Cross and not sure about the Norseman track sorry.
When I was racing i mainly rode the Southwest series but I don't race too much anymore and just ride local tracks.
Yeah it is basically beach sand, we call it drift sand. It's mainly the soft top soil blown off all our paddocks. It's almost like powder when it dries out but is awesome during the winter when wet.
Your last centence is the issue here. The talk about a fairly quick rider being able to do full motos on a proper sand track with full (or close to full) power is just false. These people have very strange definitions of what a sand track is and/or they completely overestimate their actual riding level.
I love everything about the Stark bike, but every single real life anecdote from a proper sand track with a good rider on the bike results in 20-25 minute motos at the maximum in its current state. Now for most people that is enough, because you need to be in really good shape to do over 20 minutes on a proper sand track with some deformation.
Personally the range is most likely good enough for me, and that is why i will most likely buy one in 1-2 years time.
So here is my last response from Stark. It sounds like it is a known issue and maybe if I'm lucky they may be able to fix it one day. But if I was aware of this before I may not have purchased it. I was well aware of my battery life not being great and that was something I was willing to accept. What I was not aware of and there is not much information about at all is the bike derating quiet quickly under certain conditions. I believe Stark should be making this more clear to potential buyers.
After all this I still won't rag on the bike in the actual riding aspect, actually the complete opposite. The bike is absolutely awesome to ride. I just hope this may help anyone on the fence about buying one who rides the sort of sand I do. I really hope Stark can fix this issue but I hope in the meantime they can inform potential buyers before purchasing.
The old Anton shim. Who could have predicted? 🤣
Ha ha all good, I was actually having a little dig at myself. I've packed on a few unwanted kg's in the last year that I'm not happy about. This might be the kick in the ass I need 🤣
But about the scoop tyre, it will be something I'll have to test in the future for sure.
Regardless of what I think of EV Bikes. Stark will figure it out. Sounds like they're going to need to add a radiator cooling system to the bike. Air cooling was never going to cut it. But adding a system like that will add weight, which means they'll need to cut weight somewhere else.
I believe it already has a radiator for cooling.
Interested to see OP results after a lowering regen. It could have a significant impact I think.
It has a radiator for cooling the powertrain but the battery is air cooled.
Tested lower regen today, it did make a bit of a difference but it still derated. Will post up more info on the ride tomorrow if you are interested? It's too late where I am now ha ha.
Not for cooling the battery though...
yea for sure, its good for everyone to share your experience. Sounds like stark is working on integrating cooling system into the battery perhaps?
The rider/poster 7eleven Austin Squires has raced a lot of nationals and scored points at Southwick. He is a Vet rider now. Anybody that has lived in New England has ridden on one of the deep sand practice tracks that existed in old sand pits or the private ones. Sand that is bottomless and more like beach sand. Not with a harder base like Southwick.
And that was the type of stuff I was wondering from the start if it may be a weak spot for an electric. I rode my CRF450 for the first time in one of those dep sand pit tracks and hated it . I regrated buying one and kept my trusty CR250 around for a while. After riding it on a harder surface and getting it setup better for me, I loved it. I liked the free feeling of the 2 stroke better in the sand. The engine braking resulted in stalling a lot at first. I don't know why somebody would prefer more of that when they can reduce it and also increase the ride time. But that's a cool thing about electric. You can change it.
How much less regen did You try? In deep sand , why do you want so much regen? To feel more like a 4 stroke? With the heat issue derating the power and still sometimes still having over 50% of the charge left. Why not try it with 0 regen and see if it helps with the heat a lot? I doubt regen is really adding much power back to the battery on that style track. And since You have a heat problem more than a battery capacity problem it should help more than it would hurt.
If You turn off the regen totally and can get the battery down low enough that it starts to cut power because of the battery running low, then turn the regen back up to find a happy medium.
If You have never tried it with 0 regen, try it and You might like it better? Might help you carry more momentum . The only time I have on a Varg was with 0 regen on a hardpack( for New England) style surface.
The poster 7eleven has a lot of time on a Varg and was saying it should make a big impact. He was a local Pro in New England in the 2000's that won a local NESC race at Southwick against guys that had top 3, top 5 and top 10 finishes in the National at Southwick. His best finish for a season in the Nationals was 28th in the big bike class . I only see a couple rounds of SX that he made mains in .
Turtleneck Guy claimed his toy was superior to ICE in every way. He is a liar and a fraud, PERIOD. Some folks just love being lied to.
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I just love how outraged you are about it. Did your old lady run off with a dude with a turtle neck or what?
I think the 2 other guys that were in that class he podiumed were wearing Turtlenecks. Its not the bike he hates, or the shirt itself , its The Turtle. A nickname given to him in Highschool that has some tragic memories attached.
So because 1 guy is having some unusual problems in a very specific situation , NOTHINING is true about the Varg? Should we assume that if somebody on here makes a mistake or 2 when posting info, that nothing they ever said was true?
I'm glad that there are some people on here that have been trying to help the guy out. And not just pile on and help fuel the disappointment.
But really there is nothing that will do everything the best. If there was, there would only be a single brand and model of that thing available. Not a wide range of brands and models that work better in different situations for different riders. I would think that it would be obvious to anybody that looks into a Varg where they can expect it to "be the best". Being the best, just means You did better than the competition in some sort of evaluation. By looking at what Stark shows to prove their statements You can see where it may excel.
Its really a bummer that the OP has the issue he has. There has to be some way of getting his bike to run cooler. Perhaps the aftermarket will come up with something? Or V 2 of the Varg will work on that.
Did a Stark Vary fuck mxaddic’s boyfriend or something?
His hatred seems very personal.
Maybe we should cut him some slack, at one point he did say he was trying to stop childhood slavery by not riding an Electric bike so maybe his hatred is fueled by a burning desire to do good in the world.
I am pro e-moto and would own a Stark Vark (although not as my one and only bike) if I could afford it.
BUT... I really don't understand why the Stark leadership is so insistent on racing with gas bikes at the pro level when it's clear the bike could not do a full moto with a national caliber rider aboard.
For their own good, it seems like they should be advocating for a separate class/series with conditions that are more favorable to their bike.
It’d be much harder to start, fund, and field there own series. There’s so many hang ups, it’s just not practical. They are a manufacturer not a promoter.
It sounds like the varg would struggle with two 30’s but it would handle SX.
You sure? I highly doubt it will do 20 minutes plus 2 on an AMA SX track ridden by a top 10 rider. It would either overheat or run out of juice.
Obviously, forget about outdoors. It would do great in arenacross though.
Maybe it's a good idea to wait for the next generation Varg.
Also they have zero interest racing against themselves, there's no value in that for any manufacturer.
30 min Nationals no but it would have no problem racing SX if it was allowed (racing and winning AX UK, racing and getting on the podium in France SX tour, Tampere SX...). Maybe they'll be allowed to race the international races at Paris this year instead of just the SX tour races?
They've given us everything we need to make informed decisions. 746 watts per horsepower, 80 horsepower is roughly 60,000 watts, battery is 6500 kilowatt hours, which basically means it will run for 6 minutes at full power. Also the lifespan of lithium-ion is greatly affected by the depth of charge and discharge, so if you're someone that uses so much power that you get very short run time, odds are you're going to get short battery life as well.
Love this, what you have done here is accepted that times are changing and made a purchase to support the future path of our sport, not taken sides not jumped on bandwagons just had a open mind and embraced what the future may be, basically wanting to believe in the sports future!
Then You have gave a honest review of you experience, A rider talking to other riders! You never condemn electric once you simply say it may not be what we where led to believe and gave a unbiased opinion to other every day riders to consider!
You gave a honest opinion from a honest source I believe, Motocross is a challenge of skill over many terrains it isn’t a for gone conclusion and if the kit can’t do the job over the whole spectrum then maybe it’s not the kit to have YET!
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