Stark Is Having A 20% Off Sale

"the folks like myself that would love to add an electric bike to the stable (not replacing), are waiting for one from a manufacturer we are confident will still be around in 5 years."

Yeah, that's me.  I want one so bad but I'm worried about their longevity.  Patiently waiting for an electric CRe or YZe but at 54, my racing days are numbered.  I would like to end my mx career on electric though...

I can’t wait to hear the speculations on the companies financial state

You'll be waiting 3 or 4 years, expect to see them racing the full Japanese National Championship before release.

Jerkoffs should have got me when I put a deposit down in 21, then dragged their feet and played games. I am still passively interested in some sort of e-bike for my property in the Adirondacks(as to not attract kwadtards), but it won't be a Stark. I will get a CCP financed Kove first.

I want one real bad, but can't afford 2 bikes right now, and got told I can't race it at my favorite track.

Same with me…I want a ebike badly…but I’m not buying from a start up that is more likely to fail than succeed.  (Unless the price keeps coming way way down…that would change my mind).

Sux for the resell market.  People that already bought them and trying to sell them take a big hit.

Isn't that the case with all electric vehicles, though?  Didn't Tesla have a huge price correction a year or so ago as well?  The batteries have a limited life span and when they die they usually cost more to replace than the vehicle is worth, right?  I don't own any electric vehicles so I'm not an expert on this, but that is what I've heard.

....and so the slow march to death begins.

So what does that say about KTM?  I just picked up a leftover '24 250xc for $8,700 out the door.  That's $4k less than they were going for not long ago.

20% represents a MAJOR correction. It may be that Stark overbuilt to satisfy the larger than expected demand, and now they are adjusting to the long-term forecast by blowing out units.

Im 56, if I had a track on my property that required no noise, I would have one by now. Noise is not an issue for where I ride…I have been offered a chance to ride one but declined, maybe I’m afraid if I ride one, I will buy one ? ….. the older I get the more I enjoy riding my CR125…. Noise, shifting, clutching….its part of what makes riding fun…for me anyway….. who knows…maybe i ride one and do a full 180 and get all Stark raving mad…. No air filters and oil changes sounds pretty cool…..

Well....the bikes are really good and they seem to be holding up well.  So much fun to ride....i want one but only as a secondary bike.

My main concern is the AMA roadblocking these things...for whatever lame reason they can come up with and get the media to support (until Honda or someone else says its ok to race them)..

If I could race one I'd buy one..

I have 3 teslas. All the info out there about battery stuff is stupid. Yes you will have to replace a battery at some point but then you get a whole new car again. I have free lifetime charging so I haven’t paid for gas in 5 years.  That has saved me more then the cost of the car.  The new teslas batteries are supposed to last 500,000 miles or more. Batteries get better each year.  And I could never drive a gas car again.  Performance, lack of maintence and simple things like oil changes, no smog etc are added bonuses.  Buddy has 750,000 miles on his model s and he has done 2 motors and a battery but says it drives the same as the day he bought it. 

I rode one in a flat field behind a dealer and thought it was awesome, then I rode one on a track back to back with my KX450 and was blown away. KX felt like riding a tractor compared to it, effortless through rutted corners, and noticeably less arm pump. First time I can remember pulling off because I was out of breath, and not because of arm pump.

Or, like the automotive side of EVs, battery costs have plummeted, which have lowered sticker prices without impacting overall model profitability. Yes, demand has slowed, but it is still growing. 

Materials costs will drop as widespread adoption occurs. Just look at a once-exotic tech like OLED TVs: The cost of entry for a 65" LG OLED was around $10K in 2014. Ten years later you can buy one for around $2,000. 

I'm with you!  I still need a truck for towing and the Cybertruck is too ugly and doesn't have towing range needed when I travel 10 hours to race on occasion. However, my wife has a Tesla, and it is simply a no brainer as far as maintenance goes.  I'm sitting here changing the tranny fluid and filter on my truck last month while looking at the Tesla......  You forgot to mention how fast they are and how much fun they are to drive!!

Pass the pipe bubba...

New updated model coming.

Beat me to it....

Electric cars have their purpose (especially here in Cali)....but they are not the answer.     Recent world events have highlighted the glaring issues with them.  

The Kool-Aid is strong.

Do you own one?  Take what just happened in florida for example.  Millions of people without power and they ran out of gas.  People w electric cars were able to power their houses w their cars, and drive their cars when the gas ran out.  But whatever I dont care what other people think,  if they werent better I wouldnt own them. And yes they are incredible to drive.  But people will complain and bitch about things they here on fake news or social media.  All my buddies that thought the same way all own teslas now and say they will never go back as well.  

On the bike. I would love one but my back is so screwed up it's hard to ride my e-MTB these days. My question is, can you register it for off-road use in California? Would it get a red sticker? The last parts a joke btw but, I did see it go 30+ miles on a 48hp setting riding single track at a non-competitive pace. Wonder if it would work for play riding in the dez?

On the Tesla, my 80 year old father-in-law former hot rodder bought one and loved it...until it was in an accident. Just shy of six months to get it into the "Tesla Certified" body shop in Phoenix. He didn't mind the stops to recharge during road trips but making payments on a car he couldn't drive was his tipping point. Now he drives a Bronco. 

And, if you can put up with Whistlindiesel's nonsense, go watch his Cyber Truck tests 1 & 2 on youtube. It made me laugh. 

"Now he drives a Bronco"

Yeah, there aren't any examples out there of Ford's sitting for months on end waiting for parts while people make payments on a pick up they can't drive.

Exactly what I have been saying from the start.  The cost will come down more as more are sold too.  And when there is some competition they could drop dramatically. As they see how well they hold up in the real world , when they have another model that can use the same motor and  electronics that helps spread the cost of R&D out too.  So this could also be a sign of a second model coming out, and wasn't Eicher Motors coming out with an electric  motorcycle soon too? Perhaps it will use the software and some other things from the Varg that can help spread the cost?    

Look at early digital cameras, TV's like You said in the case of TV's there was a factory made. One single factory that was able to make blanks much much larger than they had been making them and that was one of the things that helped the prices drop so dramatically. I was sitting in a Dr.s office and read an article in the early 200's that predicted the large price drop and increased useage of screens . I think it was in Popular Science magazine.   

Electric vehicles have so many fewer parts to produce to build .  The raw materials cost for a Varg is about 500euro's according to MR stark. Anton. So as they are able to get from raw to finished more cost effectively the price should continue to drop on the bikes after they are around a while. New models really should start out lower too at some point. Like other tech items. If You want them early and the best  versions of the item, they will be more expensive than if You wait a while. Cell phones, If You want the newest model on release day You can expect to pay retail. Wait a few months and You might get it for signing a contract extension.  

When other brands start to have bikes that are competitive/ in the same class as the Varg, that is when we could see some real drops in price. 

Also there is a giant lithium deposit that is in Oregon/Nevada  that has so much lithium that it could  dramatically change the prices of lithium batteries and make the US the largest producer in the world.  Exploration of the site has  shown that there is as much as $1.5 Trillion  US worth of Lithium .  I saw an article that said that single area has about half of all the lithium that is known of on the planet. 

Doesn’t kawi do this every year with their leftovers?

I saw a video on the new Silverado EV. Its  range is insane. depending on  the package You get and how You drive of course. But they have some that they say You can get over 500 miles.   They are more truck like than the Cybertruck , a little less truck like than the F150.  They are like an electric Avalanche. I really disliked the Avalanches as a truck when they came out. I think of them more of an SUV . But the Silverado EV would be a great truck for doing a lot of the things the average Motocrosser would do with a truck. I don't think its something that could plow snow or pull a  5th wheel/gooseneck style trailer.  The price on them is also coming down from when they first announced them. TFL has done some videos on them.

If I was looking for a truck that I was not going to plow snow with , or pull a 5th wheel style trailer, I would consider one. I'm assuming You can not plow with one. Maybe You can.   Especially if I was riding a Varg.  

Absolutely no different to what any other manufacturer does , ktm group especially