Jeffrey goes in on all the mxgp BS

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The GPs are far from perfect but it's always weird to me how angry some of you guys are about it.. 

Not saying either of those dudes are wrong but they're probably two of the more frustrated riders in the world with how their seasons have turned out.. That Spain track did look fucked but so did the second zooper dooper playoff round track 

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Brent wrote:
I think every moto fan in America would love to see JH do a full season of outdoor motocross.Understandably, Jeffrey likes to be paid what he...

I think every moto fan in America would love to see JH do a full season of outdoor motocross.

Understandably, Jeffrey likes to be paid what he is worth -  which is a lot-  and in American Motocross I don’t know if there is that much money in racing the nationals only. I also doubt that his KTM boss in Austria would even let him do such a thing.

 But just the thought of Herlings versus Tomac versus the Lawrence Brothers versus Prado versus Sexton Versus Deegan would really be an incredible series- you could charge a pay-per-view price for a motocross series with that much talent.

This year, the only time we will see just a small slice of  this is this weekend in England…

I don't think its about the money he mentioned if i was younger i would go tommorow.. while being 30 is not that old ,I hope the mxon will give him the motivation to believe he still has enough speed to go USA its now or never...

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Boggins wrote:
JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman...

JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman, last to first.  

Yep you are right.

AMA nationals are nothing but a bunch of B riders and shit talkers, never mind that Tomac was riding to win a championship that year and not really concerned with the results of a wildcatting Dutchie out for some purse money.

🤡

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Boggins wrote:
JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman...

JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman, last to first.  

Brent wrote:
Yep you are right.AMA nationals are nothing but a bunch of B riders and shit talkers, never mind that Tomac was riding to win a championship...

Yep you are right.

AMA nationals are nothing but a bunch of B riders and shit talkers, never mind that Tomac was riding to win a championship that year and not really concerned with the results of a wildcatting Dutchie out for some purse money.

🤡

Sure, Jeffrey only raced that weekend for the purse money 

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Boggins wrote:
JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman...

JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman, last to first.  

So 30 year old JH84 would come over to the AMA 450 MX Nationals riding a non-works KTM with US-spec fuel (that he would have to learn to ride), and ride on tracks for the first time and be an instant contender for the Championship??

You know what they say, "everyone's a title contender till the first gate drop"

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Boggins wrote:
JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman...

JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman, last to first.  

kxking wrote:
So 30 year old JH84 would come over to the AMA 450 MX Nationals riding a non-works KTM with US-spec fuel (that he would have to...

So 30 year old JH84 would come over to the AMA 450 MX Nationals riding a non-works KTM with US-spec fuel (that he would have to learn to ride), and ride on tracks for the first time and be an instant contender for the Championship??

You know what they say, "everyone's a title contender till the first gate drop"

Worked at Ironman 2017

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Boggins wrote:
JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman...

JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman, last to first.  

kxking wrote:
So 30 year old JH84 would come over to the AMA 450 MX Nationals riding a non-works KTM with US-spec fuel (that he would have to...

So 30 year old JH84 would come over to the AMA 450 MX Nationals riding a non-works KTM with US-spec fuel (that he would have to learn to ride), and ride on tracks for the first time and be an instant contender for the Championship??

You know what they say, "everyone's a title contender till the first gate drop"

Worked at Ironman 2017

That race was over 7 years ago.  

seven years is a long time in moto

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Boggins wrote:
JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman...

JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman, last to first.  

kxking wrote:
So 30 year old JH84 would come over to the AMA 450 MX Nationals riding a non-works KTM with US-spec fuel (that he would have to...

So 30 year old JH84 would come over to the AMA 450 MX Nationals riding a non-works KTM with US-spec fuel (that he would have to learn to ride), and ride on tracks for the first time and be an instant contender for the Championship??

You know what they say, "everyone's a title contender till the first gate drop"

That was exactly what he did at ironman, long time ago but still, cant do anything more impressive then what he did then.

Flied over, completely different bike, new track new format of racing and was outstanding only thing you could discuss maybe is that he was probably the most motivated guy behind the gate but still.

 

If you never seen it take a look its worth it

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Boggins wrote:
JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman...

JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman, last to first.  

kxking wrote:
So 30 year old JH84 would come over to the AMA 450 MX Nationals riding a non-works KTM with US-spec fuel (that he would have to...

So 30 year old JH84 would come over to the AMA 450 MX Nationals riding a non-works KTM with US-spec fuel (that he would have to learn to ride), and ride on tracks for the first time and be an instant contender for the Championship??

You know what they say, "everyone's a title contender till the first gate drop"

sjodin73 wrote:
That was exactly what he did at ironman, long time ago but still, cant do anything more impressive then what he did then.Flied over, completely different...

That was exactly what he did at ironman, long time ago but still, cant do anything more impressive then what he did then.

Flied over, completely different bike, new track new format of racing and was outstanding only thing you could discuss maybe is that he was probably the most motivated guy behind the gate but still.

 

If you never seen it take a look its worth it

Well now I have to go watch it.....

But 7 years ago is a looooong time, not sure its still possible with todays talent, but I should watch his recent races before writing him off as a title contender. 

But Jett, Hunter, Eli, Chase and the consistent top 5's of AP....Instant title contender is a tall ask.

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kxking wrote:
So 30 year old JH84 would come over to the AMA 450 MX Nationals riding a non-works KTM with US-spec fuel (that he would have to...

So 30 year old JH84 would come over to the AMA 450 MX Nationals riding a non-works KTM with US-spec fuel (that he would have to learn to ride), and ride on tracks for the first time and be an instant contender for the Championship??

You know what they say, "everyone's a title contender till the first gate drop"

Worked at Ironman 2017

Brent wrote:

That race was over 7 years ago.  

seven years is a long time in moto

Nah, according to some on this board you only begin your athletic peak at like 35 or something 

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Boggins wrote:
JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman...

JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman, last to first.  

kxking wrote:
So 30 year old JH84 would come over to the AMA 450 MX Nationals riding a non-works KTM with US-spec fuel (that he would have to...

So 30 year old JH84 would come over to the AMA 450 MX Nationals riding a non-works KTM with US-spec fuel (that he would have to learn to ride), and ride on tracks for the first time and be an instant contender for the Championship??

You know what they say, "everyone's a title contender till the first gate drop"

Worked at Ironman 2017

do you understand how long ago that was?

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kxking wrote:
So 30 year old JH84 would come over to the AMA 450 MX Nationals riding a non-works KTM with US-spec fuel (that he would have to...

So 30 year old JH84 would come over to the AMA 450 MX Nationals riding a non-works KTM with US-spec fuel (that he would have to learn to ride), and ride on tracks for the first time and be an instant contender for the Championship??

You know what they say, "everyone's a title contender till the first gate drop"

sjodin73 wrote:
That was exactly what he did at ironman, long time ago but still, cant do anything more impressive then what he did then.Flied over, completely different...

That was exactly what he did at ironman, long time ago but still, cant do anything more impressive then what he did then.

Flied over, completely different bike, new track new format of racing and was outstanding only thing you could discuss maybe is that he was probably the most motivated guy behind the gate but still.

 

If you never seen it take a look its worth it

kxking wrote:
Well now I have to go watch it.....But 7 years ago is a looooong time, not sure its still possible with todays talent, but I should...

Well now I have to go watch it.....

But 7 years ago is a looooong time, not sure its still possible with todays talent, but I should watch his recent races before writing him off as a title contender. 

But Jett, Hunter, Eli, Chase and the consistent top 5's of AP....Instant title contender is a tall ask.

AP was a consistent top 5 threat because of the depth, not because he's that good.  Herlings would wax him.

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sjodin73 wrote:
That was exactly what he did at ironman, long time ago but still, cant do anything more impressive then what he did then.Flied over, completely different...

That was exactly what he did at ironman, long time ago but still, cant do anything more impressive then what he did then.

Flied over, completely different bike, new track new format of racing and was outstanding only thing you could discuss maybe is that he was probably the most motivated guy behind the gate but still.

 

If you never seen it take a look its worth it

kxking wrote:
Well now I have to go watch it.....But 7 years ago is a looooong time, not sure its still possible with todays talent, but I should...

Well now I have to go watch it.....

But 7 years ago is a looooong time, not sure its still possible with todays talent, but I should watch his recent races before writing him off as a title contender. 

But Jett, Hunter, Eli, Chase and the consistent top 5's of AP....Instant title contender is a tall ask.

soggy wrote:

AP was a consistent top 5 threat because of the depth, not because he's that good.  Herlings would wax him.

But consistent top 5's may top 3 a championship with our point system and a rider or 2 going out due to injury and the chips falling his way.(I know a lot of if's) 

He's beating guys like DF14, JA21, JB51, CW2, MS27 etc. Only 4 guys are consistently beating him, and being the best of the rest is pretty respectable.

And JH84 like to crash big, when he does crash

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sjodin73 wrote:
That was exactly what he did at ironman, long time ago but still, cant do anything more impressive then what he did then.Flied over, completely different...

That was exactly what he did at ironman, long time ago but still, cant do anything more impressive then what he did then.

Flied over, completely different bike, new track new format of racing and was outstanding only thing you could discuss maybe is that he was probably the most motivated guy behind the gate but still.

 

If you never seen it take a look its worth it

kxking wrote:
Well now I have to go watch it.....But 7 years ago is a looooong time, not sure its still possible with todays talent, but I should...

Well now I have to go watch it.....

But 7 years ago is a looooong time, not sure its still possible with todays talent, but I should watch his recent races before writing him off as a title contender. 

But Jett, Hunter, Eli, Chase and the consistent top 5's of AP....Instant title contender is a tall ask.

soggy wrote:

AP was a consistent top 5 threat because of the depth, not because he's that good.  Herlings would wax him.

Athletes peak at 35. Ask OwensJake

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Nah, according to some on this board you only begin your athletic peak at like 35 or something 

…35 is the new 18..

Fuckin A , I am  all in for that kind of logic…

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Boggins wrote:
JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman...

JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman, last to first.  

Brent wrote:
Yep you are right.AMA nationals are nothing but a bunch of B riders and shit talkers, never mind that Tomac was riding to win a championship...

Yep you are right.

AMA nationals are nothing but a bunch of B riders and shit talkers, never mind that Tomac was riding to win a championship that year and not really concerned with the results of a wildcatting Dutchie out for some purse money.

🤡

You alright man? Your posts used to be sensible and on point, lately they've been like the usual vitard dribble 

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Athletes peak at 35. Ask OwensJake

Just cause you have a hard on for arguing with him doesn’t mean you have to bring him into this conversation

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Screw the clowns that run that series and the FIM. They fucked Red Bud all up in 2018 with their mandated track changes. They put that fucking hump in front of Larocco's leap and then their guys jumped the damn thing anyway lol. 

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10/2/2024 8:51pm Edited Date/Time 10/2/2024 9:04pm
JazzyJJ wrote:

You alright man? Your posts used to be sensible and on point, lately they've been like the usual vitard dribble 

This is the annual MXoN trash talk week.

Sorry, sometimes I enjoy triggering some of our UK friends when they start boasting…

My English friends sure like to boast about MXGP being the superior series, but all the while the best they can offer up to the MXoN is the young guns  51 year old Tommy Searle and slightly younger Max Anstie?😝 

 

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Brent wrote:
This is the annual MXoN trash talk week.Sorry, sometimes I enjoy triggering some of our UK friends when they start boasting…My English friends sure like to...

This is the annual MXoN trash talk week.

Sorry, sometimes I enjoy triggering some of our UK friends when they start boasting…

My English friends sure like to boast about MXGP being the superior series, but all the while the best they can offer up to the MXoN is the young guns  51 year old Tommy Searle and slightly younger Max Anstie?😝 

 

Yeah, that's all we got at present. They'll ride their hearts out, but we ain't gonna podium this year.

But what has that got to do with the strength of MXGP?

MXGP has the world's best pool of riders, and the worst series organiser.

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Brent wrote:

That race was over 7 years ago.  

seven years is a long time in moto

Nah, according to some on this board you only begin your athletic peak at like 35 or something 

Age is only a number 

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Boggins wrote:
JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman...

JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman, last to first.  

Brent wrote:
Yep you are right.AMA nationals are nothing but a bunch of B riders and shit talkers, never mind that Tomac was riding to win a championship...

Yep you are right.

AMA nationals are nothing but a bunch of B riders and shit talkers, never mind that Tomac was riding to win a championship that year and not really concerned with the results of a wildcatting Dutchie out for some purse money.

🤡

He was concerned about the results when he was trying to hang onto Herlings in moto 1, and crashed doing so..

He wasn't there for purse money, he turned up to prove a point. And he certainly did that. Still waiting for some top US riders to go do the same, and do a GP in the middle of the AMA season on an unfamiliar bike, riding an unfamiliar track. It'd be cool but it'll never happen.

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Boggins wrote:
JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman...

JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman, last to first.  

Brent wrote:
Yep you are right.AMA nationals are nothing but a bunch of B riders and shit talkers, never mind that Tomac was riding to win a championship...

Yep you are right.

AMA nationals are nothing but a bunch of B riders and shit talkers, never mind that Tomac was riding to win a championship that year and not really concerned with the results of a wildcatting Dutchie out for some purse money.

🤡

He was concerned about the results when he was trying to hang onto Herlings in moto 1, and crashed doing so..He wasn't there for purse money...

He was concerned about the results when he was trying to hang onto Herlings in moto 1, and crashed doing so..

He wasn't there for purse money, he turned up to prove a point. And he certainly did that. Still waiting for some top US riders to go do the same, and do a GP in the middle of the AMA season on an unfamiliar bike, riding an unfamiliar track. It'd be cool but it'll never happen.

In line with the OP of this thread, one of the main reasons it won't happen is they'd get no gate money or decent prize money and it would probably mean a flight to Thailand to race in an empty car park surrounded by exposed cables with awful marshalls and dodgy first-aid. 

Any of the US-based riders would have to be borderline insane to take that on, not even pride is a reason to take that kind of risk.

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JazzyJJ wrote:

You alright man? Your posts used to be sensible and on point, lately they've been like the usual vitard dribble 

Brent wrote:
This is the annual MXoN trash talk week.Sorry, sometimes I enjoy triggering some of our UK friends when they start boasting…My English friends sure like to...

This is the annual MXoN trash talk week.

Sorry, sometimes I enjoy triggering some of our UK friends when they start boasting…

My English friends sure like to boast about MXGP being the superior series, but all the while the best they can offer up to the MXoN is the young guns  51 year old Tommy Searle and slightly younger Max Anstie?😝 

 

Boasting.? Most of the comments are just replies to your shitposts. Nice try at deflection though.

And as someone else said; you're confusing defending GP riders with defending the series and it's organisers. We hate them too.

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Brent wrote:
Yep you are right.AMA nationals are nothing but a bunch of B riders and shit talkers, never mind that Tomac was riding to win a championship...

Yep you are right.

AMA nationals are nothing but a bunch of B riders and shit talkers, never mind that Tomac was riding to win a championship that year and not really concerned with the results of a wildcatting Dutchie out for some purse money.

🤡

He was concerned about the results when he was trying to hang onto Herlings in moto 1, and crashed doing so..He wasn't there for purse money...

He was concerned about the results when he was trying to hang onto Herlings in moto 1, and crashed doing so..

He wasn't there for purse money, he turned up to prove a point. And he certainly did that. Still waiting for some top US riders to go do the same, and do a GP in the middle of the AMA season on an unfamiliar bike, riding an unfamiliar track. It'd be cool but it'll never happen.

Twigster wrote:
In line with the OP of this thread, one of the main reasons it won't happen is they'd get no gate money or decent prize money...

In line with the OP of this thread, one of the main reasons it won't happen is they'd get no gate money or decent prize money and it would probably mean a flight to Thailand to race in an empty car park surrounded by exposed cables with awful marshalls and dodgy first-aid. 

Any of the US-based riders would have to be borderline insane to take that on, not even pride is a reason to take that kind of risk.

True, but there's always one of the better European tracks they could go to. Anyway, it won't happen and I don't really blame them. My point was more about GP riders making the huge effort to do an AMA round and doing well, and it getting dismissed as "oh, our top guys were thinking of the championship".  Not sure what more Herlings had to do that weekend to get some respect from certain elements of the fan base 🙄

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He was concerned about the results when he was trying to hang onto Herlings in moto 1, and crashed doing so..He wasn't there for purse money...

He was concerned about the results when he was trying to hang onto Herlings in moto 1, and crashed doing so..

He wasn't there for purse money, he turned up to prove a point. And he certainly did that. Still waiting for some top US riders to go do the same, and do a GP in the middle of the AMA season on an unfamiliar bike, riding an unfamiliar track. It'd be cool but it'll never happen.

Twigster wrote:
In line with the OP of this thread, one of the main reasons it won't happen is they'd get no gate money or decent prize money...

In line with the OP of this thread, one of the main reasons it won't happen is they'd get no gate money or decent prize money and it would probably mean a flight to Thailand to race in an empty car park surrounded by exposed cables with awful marshalls and dodgy first-aid. 

Any of the US-based riders would have to be borderline insane to take that on, not even pride is a reason to take that kind of risk.

True, but there's always one of the better European tracks they could go to. Anyway, it won't happen and I don't really blame them. My point...

True, but there's always one of the better European tracks they could go to. Anyway, it won't happen and I don't really blame them. My point was more about GP riders making the huge effort to do an AMA round and doing well, and it getting dismissed as "oh, our top guys were thinking of the championship".  Not sure what more Herlings had to do that weekend to get some respect from certain elements of the fan base 🙄

There will always be an element of revisionism seven years on, that was Herlings at his peak and where really KTM had to let him do whatever he wanted as the 'golden child'. We shouldn't take away from it but that's just human nature I guess. 

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23XI and Front Row racing are suing NASCAR right now over all the same issues that all MX and SX have with the teams that support their series

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23XI and Front Row racing are suing NASCAR right now over all the same issues that all MX and SX have with the teams that support...

23XI and Front Row racing are suing NASCAR right now over all the same issues that all MX and SX have with the teams that support their series

I went down this rabbit whole with Eric Estep yesterday(Nascar pocast guy). NASCAR done pissed Michael Jordan off and we might just see MJ flex some bucks on this one. I feel for Denny and MJ's drivers right now. Denny too, Since he drives for Coach. got my popcorn out for this.

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JazzyJJ wrote:

You alright man? Your posts used to be sensible and on point, lately they've been like the usual vitard dribble 

Brent wrote:
This is the annual MXoN trash talk week.Sorry, sometimes I enjoy triggering some of our UK friends when they start boasting…My English friends sure like to...

This is the annual MXoN trash talk week.

Sorry, sometimes I enjoy triggering some of our UK friends when they start boasting…

My English friends sure like to boast about MXGP being the superior series, but all the while the best they can offer up to the MXoN is the young guns  51 year old Tommy Searle and slightly younger Max Anstie?😝 

 

Even at 51 years old Searle still hasn’t peaked physically. Look at Goggins.

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Boggins wrote:
JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman...

JH84 would be a title contender to win the 2025 National championship if he raced here.  Mopped up the field a few years back at Ironman, last to first.  

Brent wrote:
Yep you are right.AMA nationals are nothing but a bunch of B riders and shit talkers, never mind that Tomac was riding to win a championship...

Yep you are right.

AMA nationals are nothing but a bunch of B riders and shit talkers, never mind that Tomac was riding to win a championship that year and not really concerned with the results of a wildcatting Dutchie out for some purse money.

🤡

He was concerned about the results when he was trying to hang onto Herlings in moto 1, and crashed doing so..He wasn't there for purse money...

He was concerned about the results when he was trying to hang onto Herlings in moto 1, and crashed doing so..

He wasn't there for purse money, he turned up to prove a point. And he certainly did that. Still waiting for some top US riders to go do the same, and do a GP in the middle of the AMA season on an unfamiliar bike, riding an unfamiliar track. It'd be cool but it'll never happen.

Herlings was coming to the us to do a GP the week after, its not like he just came over on an off week to race our guys which is what you are getting at... 

And yes Tomac made a simple mistake and landed in some soft dirt and tucked the front, then decided its time to back it off and win the championship... 

PS. Tomac beat Herlings in a moto on a sand track the next week.... 

Got a bad start in Moto 2 and settled for 3rd.

If Herlings came here he would not win the championship in year 1. 0% chance unless Jett and Chase got hurt, then a 50% chance. 

Here comes the downvotes from the Britts, and the Herlings fanboys. 

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