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You gotta understand that you are one of the most severe when it comes to industry bias on the forum. It’s hard to take anything you defend seriously. That’s kind of what you do most, defend the industry, even if it goes against the widely accepted truth/narrative. You have a right to defend, others have a right to not take it seriously because you’re clearly biased. It just is what it is.
I get it…that’s how some of you see it and that’s fine. And… yes, I will defend riders most of the time.
Truth be told, I have no dog in this fight and had more than a few people tell me I’m wasting my time even commenting on this.
"You know the only real winners of war are these heavy industrial corporations you are grandstanding to protect? Well them and the bankers."
What a load of total horseshit. Have you been reading Das Kapital?
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The problem with the ''changing the MXON argument', is it's entirely about accommodating the US or US based riders. No other country or competition seems to have problems sending riders every single year. Why should it be changed because US riders and US based riders can't attend?
After what ‘TeamGreen’ just wrote above, yes, please explain it to us..
‘Spoonguy’ thinks it’s because Roger will see how Kawi safety wire their gear levers on…🤣🤣🤣
You said it perfectly 👍
Brent you make a lot of great points. And it’s definitely beyond ridiculous that the only one who’s getting paid is the promoter. And on top of that it’s expensive for the teams to attend.
No but I’ll put it on my list.
Have you been reading only what’s assigned by the Thought Police in their institutions?
Maybe add this one to your list…
https://www.amazon.com/Trading-Enemy-Charles-Higham/dp/044019055X
Or scope out Wikipedia….
1) there are only two series on this planet with star level motocross talent- the USA based AMA series, and the FIM world championships. The AMA teams have to ship bikes and fly team personnel over a big ocean, FIM can drive their trucks to the race. Advantage - FIM.
2) AMA series has 31 races as compared to FIM that has 20 races. Rider fatigue Advantage-FIM
3) AMA riders only race 11 rounds of motocross as compared to 20 for FIM. Experience advantage- FIM.
4) in past years, Youthstream has literally promoted the event as Americans versus the world. So they know that team USA is a big attendance draw at the gate and on pay per view. Financial Advantage - FIM
when big promoters hold a boxing match that draws fans from all over, it is unheard of that they do not pay the boxers, but keep all the gate money and pay-per-view money for themselves.
That is why team USA needs to be paid or compensated because they are the biggest draw at the Motocross of Nations.
One last thing- Team USA is also the only team in the paddock that needs it’s own private security, due to the crush of European fans trying to get autographs or even see the riders up close.
Without AMA riders, the MXoN is just another GP….
Pretty much everything you bring up is nonsense. Except the first point, the GP riders have an advantage with the track most years.
Point 2)
It would be interesting to count the number of races that JH84 has done this year versus Sexton.
Not to mention the fact that 17 weekends of the US side is SX. Any rider will tell you that a Saturday night at SX is far less stress on the body than an outdoor round.
What about the stress on the mind?
1) Most of the MXoN's are on the European continent, that's true. But that's because a) MX originates in Europe and b) most of those star level riders you mention race there. Should the MXoN be held more in the US because of a selection of 3 US riders, 3 Canadian riders, some unknown Southern Americans and because the Lawrences happen to race in the US nowadays? Don't think so. Plus, whenever it's held on the American continent, all "big" MX nations travel there without whining. And in fact, you can't complain. It's been held 5 times in the US since 2007 (counting 2025 aswell). That's around 28% of the time. The only countries getting close to that percentage are France and Great Britain.
2) AMA has a single day format as compared to FIM that has a two day format. And GP riders don't only race GP's. They have national championships (you probably know that concept) and international races aswell (i.e. Dutch MX Nationals, ADAC MX Masters, Italian MX Prestige Championship, the Keiheuvel International and pre-season races like Hawkstone).
3) First you say FIM has an advantage of less races, in the following point you say they have more outdoors so more experience. SX and MX are apples and oranges.
4) They have, but they would be damn' stupid not to.
In an interview just published, Giuseppe Luongo said that ''we have settled the venues for the MXoN for the next 5 years, and shortly these venues will be announced. Anyway, as previously announced, MXoN will go often to USA''.
So it looks like USA will get even more than they have in the recent past. It's also worth mentioning that USA were awarded MXoN for 2017 but Glen Helen pulled out before Steve Dixon stepped in.
Really think it’s sad that the event starting to come down to three countrys (England, US and France). With often the same tracks each time.
Im not gonna say that it make me lose interest in the event, but seeing new tracks world be fun. Yes we will see it on ironman next year but i wish that some other countrys would sign up for it again.
Your explanation seems perfectly logical and legitimate to me.
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I have no problem taking team green's explanation, seems honest to me. It does contradict several things I have heard and read in magazines and podcasts in the past about the problems going on with the team before and during the race. Perhaps the items I have heard or read in the past were misinterpretations or dated decisions, you can never tell. The problems Kawasaki had with DeCoster were not an embellishment on my behalf, it was a repeating of things read or heard on podcasts, I believe other people have heard the same stories. Perhaps it is just that, stories. I own a business myself, most of my friends are business owners, it would be very unlikely I or anyone I know would be comfortable letting key employees work for a competitor's manager for a week. Regardless of Kawasaki's feelings I believe Decoster is a less-than-ideal choice for the team manager yet. I think the real point is Kawasaki has their very real reasons for not going, as do some riders. Also, the selection process, organization, fund raising, and support of the MXoN team does not run like a well-oiled machine. Changes of some sort have to be made.
That’s an interesting theory. It’s the largest attended race in the United States that I can recall. Hard to imagine that it’s not the most important race yet draws the largest crowd from all over the country.
Other countries/tracks can no longer afford it .
In 2018 Kawi used the MXDN as a testbed for their 2019 bike, the Euro based factory Kawi riders were on 2018 bikes, because they were using the race for testing the 2019 they refused to be on the same radio frequency as Team USA this is were the Kawi/DeCoster narrative came from and grew into the rumor that we have now......
Explains alot, cool insight, thanks!
When Kawasaki gets some guys that could win there they will send them!
(I have owned Kawasakis since 1982 and will buying more)
It’s not about the race in the slightest. It’s about the spectacle. There was a time period in the 80s and 90s where the MxDN was a true international event that raced all over the world. Now it’s who ever can make sure the crime family that runs the GPs can get paid the most. At least in America there are more tracks to pick from but in France there are two, GB only one.
All the circuits around the world that host a GP could host a MxDn. The european DesNations always bring a large crowd and with the same tracks hosting it again and again, it can’t be that bad of a deal for them.
Acknowledged- the mental stress is a thing.
But lets also acknowledge that’s 17 ‘easier’ weekends, than 17 ‘outdoor’ weekends.
Honestly, I have to devalue it by saying ‘easier’ but, you get what I mean. SX vs. outdoors- not comparison on the toll they take.
The point about Roger looking at the bikes… there’s really nothing Roger can learn about a competitors bike by looking at the outside of it that he can’t already see in pitbits photos.
This fear is irrational.
I’m so pissed that I just went out and bought two 110L’s. That’ll teach ‘em. 😎
You mean the team that was soo cool with Michael taking some pictures?
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