An Open Letter to Kawasaki USA

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9/24/2024 8:08pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Well, I inquired. It ain’t got shit to do with any of the crap that’s being discussed here-in. As pointed out in other threads…MXON is simply...

Well, I inquired. It ain’t got shit to do with any of the crap that’s being discussed here-in. As pointed out in other threads…MXON is simply not an event…especially when it’s not in the U.S. that they’re budgeted for. 

It’s like this, KMC, USA has a budget for it’s own domestic market. There are other concerns like already having 31 races to cover plus testing & development. There was a mention of “risk” and a reference to Jason’s previous misadventures where he was LANDED ON at a certain MXON…AFTER WINNING…if I recall correctly…?

There are contract clauses that cover this stuff at KMC and there’s also a very simple,”Oh, Hell NO!” that’s heard when inquiries are made about Bercy or Australia…and don’t even think about bringing up WTFWSX…during contract negotiations 🤣

Roger (nor anyone-else’s name) was even a consideration. In-fact, plenty of people over there seem to like Roger; so, there’s always that. 

 

MX Guy wrote:

I trust the media. They wouldn’t say it was due to petty shit for no reason. 

🤣

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9/24/2024 8:12pm
TeamGreen wrote:

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OK

You gotta understand that you are one of the most severe when it comes to industry bias on the forum. It’s hard to take anything you defend seriously. That’s kind of what you do most, defend the industry, even if it goes against the widely accepted truth/narrative. You have a right to defend, others have a right to not take it seriously because you’re clearly biased. It just is what it is. 

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9/24/2024 8:32pm Edited Date/Time 9/24/2024 9:16pm
TeamGreen wrote:

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MX Guy wrote:
You gotta understand that you are one of the most severe when it comes to industry bias on the forum. It’s hard to take anything you...

You gotta understand that you are one of the most severe when it comes to industry bias on the forum. It’s hard to take anything you defend seriously. That’s kind of what you do most, defend the industry, even if it goes against the widely accepted truth/narrative. You have a right to defend, others have a right to not take it seriously because you’re clearly biased. It just is what it is. 

I get it…that’s how some of you see it and that’s fine. And… yes, I will defend riders most of the time. 

Truth be told, I have no dog in this fight and had more than a few people tell me I’m wasting my time even commenting on this. 

 

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OFalk280 wrote:
I’m 26 (sorry 1 year over your stated age range, guess maybe that’s why I care) and I’ve been to 2 MXoNs (both the races at...

I’m 26 (sorry 1 year over your stated age range, guess maybe that’s why I care) and I’ve been to 2 MXoNs (both the races at Red Bud) and will be flying out to the UK for my 3rd soon. There’s plenty of young people who still pay close attention to MXoN as I look forward to it every single year even though success for the US hasn’t come quite as frequently as it did pre-2012.

Brent wrote:
…this entire thread has nothing to do with the success of team USA.It’s just seems some of you are butt hurt about Kawi making a decision...

…this entire thread has nothing to do with the success of team USA.

It’s just seems some of you are butt hurt about Kawi making a decision not to spend the money to send bikes and riders to this event. 

Maybe instead of grandstanding, jingoistic chest thumping and threatening a product boycott on a public message board, write Kawi brass a nice e mail in private  or even a letter on paper if some of you guys still know how to do that- you can find e mails and snail mail addresses for Bruce Stjernstrom and other Kawi management on their site- and ask them nicely to re consider their position, because  it’s important to you as a customer. 

 Rants on public social media and message boards  are a lazy man’s way of trying to get what he wants, and there is so much of it out there that most people tune it out completely, but private communication from the heart is something that they cannot ignore.
 

Sure you won’t get any instant gratification from thumbs up here, but if you’re serious about Kawi contracted teams going to the event this is how you do it, As opposed to trying to shame a company publicly.


Some of you guys treat this event like it is World War III and we need to send our best troops, it’s only a fucking exhibition race, and nobody gets paid except the organizer, lighten up……

 

You know the only real winners of war are these heavy industrial corporations you are grandstanding to protect? Well them and the bankers. A letter from the...

You know the only real winners of war are these heavy industrial corporations you are grandstanding to protect? Well them and the bankers. 

A letter from the heart is a wonderful suggestion. It’s also not the only way to make an impact. Your way isn’t the right way, even if I agree with much of your position. 

"You know the only real winners of war are these heavy industrial corporations you are grandstanding to protect? Well them and the bankers."

What a load of total horseshit.  Have you been reading Das Kapital?  

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9/24/2024 9:09pm
APLMAN99 wrote:
I understand the desire for it to be the biggest race in the sport, but the manufactured patriotism seems to be nothing more than a way...

I understand the desire for it to be the biggest race in the sport, but the manufactured patriotism seems to be nothing more than a way to try to guilt racers into risking their livelihood to make money for the promoter these days.  It seemed a lot more genuinely patriotic back in the 'old days' than it is now, where it is just a spectacle that can do more to hinder a racer's career through injury than anything else.  

It's not like the racers are defending their countries from invading armies, so the faux patriotism is a bit extreme.  

I applaud the racers who choose to do it, but it's hard to fault the guys who don't want to risk their bodies to enrich Luongo's team.........

englishman wrote:
Agreed . In a way I feel like it’s an event for a bygone era. Back in the ‘70’s & ‘80’s when we had 125, 250...

Agreed . In a way I feel like it’s an event for a bygone era. Back in the ‘70’s & ‘80’s when we had 125, 250 & 500 GP’s completely separate there was the added excitement of seeing all the best GP guys race each other at seasons end. Back then the world was a much bigger place - no internet , expensive plane tickets etc - so when we got to see the top Americans race “ in the flesh” it was a huge deal for us because that would be the only time we got to see them race.

I think there was more genuine, good hearted patriotism back then too.Nowadays the event seems to have become almost a burden to the riders rather than a very special honor.

Maybe it should be held every two years and kind of go back to the old school format - 4 rider teams with all guys on 250’s for two motos on a Saturday and all guys on 450’s for two motos on Sunday.

Yeah I know that’ll never happen but that would make it pretty awesome IMO. 

The problem with the ''changing the MXON argument', is it's entirely about accommodating the US or US based riders.  No other country or competition seems to have problems sending riders every single year.  Why should it be changed because US riders and US based riders can't attend?  

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Spoonguy wrote:
It's not just about the Musqin incident. Kawasaki has a multi-million dollar, decades long investment in their USA motocross program. To ask them to allow one...

It's not just about the Musqin incident. Kawasaki has a multi-million dollar, decades long investment in their USA motocross program. To ask them to allow one or more of their employees to work under a rival team manager for a week, to allow their machines to be scrutinized for a week under a rival team manager, is not reasonable. Decoster is a direct competitor to Kawasaki with millions upon millions on the line. Team USA needs an unbiased unattached team manager chosen by the teams themselves, the AMA, and promoters, and agreed upon. The blind Joe Paterno like mania surrounding Decoster is unreal, even Lewis Phillips stated that Decoster said if he couldn't get Tomac he would "give up", he also stated Plessinger's setup was all wrong last year despite Decoster being his regular season team manager. The irony is a manufacturer doesn't agree with the team manager choice, so instead of choosing a different manager, we lambaste the manufacturer.

For real?? I mean, how many ‘pit-bits’ episodes are there in a season (31?) with intricate photos, nothing covered over. Do you think in the week of MXdN...

For real?? 
I mean, how many ‘pit-bits’ episodes are there in a season (31?) with intricate photos, nothing covered over. 

Do you think in the week of MXdN Roger will be on his knees with a torch and a vernier Caliper without the Kawasaki techs asking him wtf he’s  doing and the subsequent media hoo-haa created??

Gimme a break! There’s nothing he can see that he can’t see in the pit bits photos every week. 

If this really IS a thing, why are Yamaha ok with it??

I’m not buying this theory one bit.

Spoonguy wrote:
I can explain it for you, I can not understand it for you. Perhaps it is easier for you to think multi-million dollar promotional ventures like...

I can explain it for you, I can not understand it for you. Perhaps it is easier for you to think multi-million dollar promotional ventures like a manufacturers AMA pro racing team reacts the way they do because they are "mean", "unfair", or best yet "dumb".

After what ‘TeamGreen’ just wrote above, yes, please explain it to us..

9/24/2024 9:16pm
TeamGreen wrote:
Well, I inquired. It ain’t got shit to do with any of the crap that’s being discussed here-in. As pointed out in other threads…MXON is simply...

Well, I inquired. It ain’t got shit to do with any of the crap that’s being discussed here-in. As pointed out in other threads…MXON is simply not an event…especially when it’s not in the U.S. that they’re budgeted for. 

It’s like this, KMC, USA has a budget for it’s own domestic market. There are other concerns like already having 31 races to cover plus testing & development. There was a mention of “risk” and a reference to Jason’s previous misadventures where he was LANDED ON at a certain MXON…AFTER WINNING…if I recall correctly…?

There are contract clauses that cover this stuff at KMC and there’s also a very simple,”Oh, Hell NO!” that’s heard when inquiries are made about Bercy or Australia…and don’t even think about bringing up WTFWSX…during contract negotiations 🤣

Roger (nor anyone-else’s name) was even a consideration. In-fact, plenty of people over there seem to like Roger; so, there’s always that. 

 

DonM wrote:

Well there you go ruining it for the conspiracy crowd….

‘Spoonguy’ thinks it’s because Roger will see how Kawi safety wire their gear levers on…🤣🤣🤣

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APLMAN99 wrote:
I understand the desire for it to be the biggest race in the sport, but the manufactured patriotism seems to be nothing more than a way...

I understand the desire for it to be the biggest race in the sport, but the manufactured patriotism seems to be nothing more than a way to try to guilt racers into risking their livelihood to make money for the promoter these days.  It seemed a lot more genuinely patriotic back in the 'old days' than it is now, where it is just a spectacle that can do more to hinder a racer's career through injury than anything else.  

It's not like the racers are defending their countries from invading armies, so the faux patriotism is a bit extreme.  

I applaud the racers who choose to do it, but it's hard to fault the guys who don't want to risk their bodies to enrich Luongo's team.........

You said it perfectly 👍

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Brent wrote:
" manufactured patriotism"Right on the money. That captures the sentiment perfectly.I get the feeling that some top riders get guilted into participating by fans and the...

" manufactured patriotism"

Right on the money. That captures the sentiment perfectly.

I get the feeling that some top riders get guilted into participating by fans and the media, and after 31 races, the last thing they want is to travel overseas and race or free.  

Even Nicoletti, who isn't making millions, said he was so burnt to a crisp from a year of racing and travel that he really didn't give a shit about the SMX money, but he did it anyway because he was quitting.   

If you guys want to rant about something, rant about the robbery that InFront pulls off every year, all in the name of  " The Olympics of Motocross". Well, the real Olympics at least pays the athletes for medaling in their event, about 40 grand for a gold medal for members of Team USA.

Luongo and family makes very large amount of money off of American's and other teams backs for this event and pay them nothing for the effort.

  VIP tix are £900 this year, and all you get is some food and drink , flushing toilets, and a nice viewing spot - a very nice profit margin for Luongo and Steve Dixon, whilst the stars of this circus perform for free.

Sure the event is a blast to attend, Ive been to a couple now.   But to USA fans, try and understand that no one wants to risk injury, spend large amounts of money, and travel a long ways for nothing besides a Chamberlain Trophy.   Even Solders get paid...

Brent you make a lot of great points. And it’s definitely beyond ridiculous that the only one who’s getting paid is the promoter. And on top of that it’s expensive for the teams to attend. 

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Brent wrote:
…this entire thread has nothing to do with the success of team USA.It’s just seems some of you are butt hurt about Kawi making a decision...

…this entire thread has nothing to do with the success of team USA.

It’s just seems some of you are butt hurt about Kawi making a decision not to spend the money to send bikes and riders to this event. 

Maybe instead of grandstanding, jingoistic chest thumping and threatening a product boycott on a public message board, write Kawi brass a nice e mail in private  or even a letter on paper if some of you guys still know how to do that- you can find e mails and snail mail addresses for Bruce Stjernstrom and other Kawi management on their site- and ask them nicely to re consider their position, because  it’s important to you as a customer. 

 Rants on public social media and message boards  are a lazy man’s way of trying to get what he wants, and there is so much of it out there that most people tune it out completely, but private communication from the heart is something that they cannot ignore.
 

Sure you won’t get any instant gratification from thumbs up here, but if you’re serious about Kawi contracted teams going to the event this is how you do it, As opposed to trying to shame a company publicly.


Some of you guys treat this event like it is World War III and we need to send our best troops, it’s only a fucking exhibition race, and nobody gets paid except the organizer, lighten up……

 

You know the only real winners of war are these heavy industrial corporations you are grandstanding to protect? Well them and the bankers. A letter from the...

You know the only real winners of war are these heavy industrial corporations you are grandstanding to protect? Well them and the bankers. 

A letter from the heart is a wonderful suggestion. It’s also not the only way to make an impact. Your way isn’t the right way, even if I agree with much of your position. 

Herr Lich wrote:
"You know the only real winners of war are these heavy industrial corporations you are grandstanding to protect? Well them and the bankers."What a load of...

"You know the only real winners of war are these heavy industrial corporations you are grandstanding to protect? Well them and the bankers."

What a load of total horseshit.  Have you been reading Das Kapital?  

No but I’ll put it on my list.

Have you been reading only what’s assigned by the Thought Police in their institutions? 

Maybe add this one to your list…

https://www.amazon.com/Trading-Enemy-Charles-Higham/dp/044019055X

Or scope out Wikipedia….

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9/24/2024 10:15pm Edited Date/Time 9/24/2024 10:26pm
Herr Lich wrote:
The problem with the ''changing the MXON argument', is it's entirely about accommodating the US or US based riders.  No other country or competition seems to...

The problem with the ''changing the MXON argument', is it's entirely about accommodating the US or US based riders.  No other country or competition seems to have problems sending riders every single year.  Why should it be changed because US riders and US based riders can't attend?  

1) there are only two series on this planet with star level motocross talent- the USA based AMA series,  and the FIM world championships.  The AMA teams have to ship bikes and fly team personnel over a big ocean, FIM can drive their trucks to the race. Advantage - FIM.

2) AMA series has 31 races as compared to FIM that has 20 races. Rider fatigue Advantage-FIM

3)  AMA riders only race 11 rounds of motocross as compared to 20 for FIM. Experience advantage- FIM.

4) in past years, Youthstream has literally promoted the event as Americans versus the world. So they know that team USA is a big attendance draw at the gate and on pay per view. Financial Advantage - FIM

 when big promoters hold a boxing match that draws fans from all over, it is unheard of that they do not pay the boxers, but keep all the gate money and pay-per-view money for themselves. 

That is why team USA needs to be paid or compensated because they are the biggest draw at the Motocross of Nations.

 One last thing- Team USA is also the only team in the paddock that needs it’s own private security, due to  the crush of European fans trying to get autographs or even see the riders up close. 

Without AMA riders, the MXoN is just another GP…. 


 

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Herr Lich wrote:
The problem with the ''changing the MXON argument', is it's entirely about accommodating the US or US based riders.  No other country or competition seems to...

The problem with the ''changing the MXON argument', is it's entirely about accommodating the US or US based riders.  No other country or competition seems to have problems sending riders every single year.  Why should it be changed because US riders and US based riders can't attend?  

Brent wrote:
1) there are only two series on this planet with star level motocross talent- the USA based AMA series,  and the FIM world championships.  The AMA...

1) there are only two series on this planet with star level motocross talent- the USA based AMA series,  and the FIM world championships.  The AMA teams have to ship bikes and fly team personnel over a big ocean, FIM can drive their trucks to the race. Advantage - FIM.

2) AMA series has 31 races as compared to FIM that has 20 races. Rider fatigue Advantage-FIM

3)  AMA riders only race 11 rounds of motocross as compared to 20 for FIM. Experience advantage- FIM.

4) in past years, Youthstream has literally promoted the event as Americans versus the world. So they know that team USA is a big attendance draw at the gate and on pay per view. Financial Advantage - FIM

 when big promoters hold a boxing match that draws fans from all over, it is unheard of that they do not pay the boxers, but keep all the gate money and pay-per-view money for themselves. 

That is why team USA needs to be paid or compensated because they are the biggest draw at the Motocross of Nations.

 One last thing- Team USA is also the only team in the paddock that needs it’s own private security, due to  the crush of European fans trying to get autographs or even see the riders up close. 

Without AMA riders, the MXoN is just another GP…. 


 

Pretty much everything you bring up is nonsense. Except the first point, the GP riders have an advantage with the track most years.

 

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Herr Lich wrote:
The problem with the ''changing the MXON argument', is it's entirely about accommodating the US or US based riders.  No other country or competition seems to...

The problem with the ''changing the MXON argument', is it's entirely about accommodating the US or US based riders.  No other country or competition seems to have problems sending riders every single year.  Why should it be changed because US riders and US based riders can't attend?  

Brent wrote:
1) there are only two series on this planet with star level motocross talent- the USA based AMA series,  and the FIM world championships.  The AMA...

1) there are only two series on this planet with star level motocross talent- the USA based AMA series,  and the FIM world championships.  The AMA teams have to ship bikes and fly team personnel over a big ocean, FIM can drive their trucks to the race. Advantage - FIM.

2) AMA series has 31 races as compared to FIM that has 20 races. Rider fatigue Advantage-FIM

3)  AMA riders only race 11 rounds of motocross as compared to 20 for FIM. Experience advantage- FIM.

4) in past years, Youthstream has literally promoted the event as Americans versus the world. So they know that team USA is a big attendance draw at the gate and on pay per view. Financial Advantage - FIM

 when big promoters hold a boxing match that draws fans from all over, it is unheard of that they do not pay the boxers, but keep all the gate money and pay-per-view money for themselves. 

That is why team USA needs to be paid or compensated because they are the biggest draw at the Motocross of Nations.

 One last thing- Team USA is also the only team in the paddock that needs it’s own private security, due to  the crush of European fans trying to get autographs or even see the riders up close. 

Without AMA riders, the MXoN is just another GP…. 


 

Motofinne wrote:

Pretty much everything you bring up is nonsense. Except the first point, the GP riders have an advantage with the track most years.

 

Point 2) 

It would be interesting to count the number of races that JH84 has done this year versus Sexton. 

Not to mention the fact that 17 weekends of the US side is SX. Any rider will tell you that a Saturday night at SX is far less stress on the body than an outdoor round. 

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Brent wrote:
1) there are only two series on this planet with star level motocross talent- the USA based AMA series,  and the FIM world championships.  The AMA...

1) there are only two series on this planet with star level motocross talent- the USA based AMA series,  and the FIM world championships.  The AMA teams have to ship bikes and fly team personnel over a big ocean, FIM can drive their trucks to the race. Advantage - FIM.

2) AMA series has 31 races as compared to FIM that has 20 races. Rider fatigue Advantage-FIM

3)  AMA riders only race 11 rounds of motocross as compared to 20 for FIM. Experience advantage- FIM.

4) in past years, Youthstream has literally promoted the event as Americans versus the world. So they know that team USA is a big attendance draw at the gate and on pay per view. Financial Advantage - FIM

 when big promoters hold a boxing match that draws fans from all over, it is unheard of that they do not pay the boxers, but keep all the gate money and pay-per-view money for themselves. 

That is why team USA needs to be paid or compensated because they are the biggest draw at the Motocross of Nations.

 One last thing- Team USA is also the only team in the paddock that needs it’s own private security, due to  the crush of European fans trying to get autographs or even see the riders up close. 

Without AMA riders, the MXoN is just another GP…. 


 

Motofinne wrote:

Pretty much everything you bring up is nonsense. Except the first point, the GP riders have an advantage with the track most years.

 

Point 2) It would be interesting to count the number of races that JH84 has done this year versus Sexton. Not to mention the fact that 17 weekends...

Point 2) 

It would be interesting to count the number of races that JH84 has done this year versus Sexton. 

Not to mention the fact that 17 weekends of the US side is SX. Any rider will tell you that a Saturday night at SX is far less stress on the body than an outdoor round. 

What about the stress on the mind? 

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9/25/2024 1:24am Edited Date/Time 9/25/2024 4:03am
Brent wrote:
1) there are only two series on this planet with star level motocross talent- the USA based AMA series,  and the FIM world championships.  The AMA...

1) there are only two series on this planet with star level motocross talent- the USA based AMA series,  and the FIM world championships.  The AMA teams have to ship bikes and fly team personnel over a big ocean, FIM can drive their trucks to the race. Advantage - FIM.

2) AMA series has 31 races as compared to FIM that has 20 races. Rider fatigue Advantage-FIM

3)  AMA riders only race 11 rounds of motocross as compared to 20 for FIM. Experience advantage- FIM.

4) in past years, Youthstream has literally promoted the event as Americans versus the world. So they know that team USA is a big attendance draw at the gate and on pay per view. Financial Advantage - FIM

 when big promoters hold a boxing match that draws fans from all over, it is unheard of that they do not pay the boxers, but keep all the gate money and pay-per-view money for themselves. 

That is why team USA needs to be paid or compensated because they are the biggest draw at the Motocross of Nations.

 One last thing- Team USA is also the only team in the paddock that needs it’s own private security, due to  the crush of European fans trying to get autographs or even see the riders up close. 

Without AMA riders, the MXoN is just another GP…. 


 

1) Most of the MXoN's are on the European continent, that's true. But that's because a) MX originates in Europe and b) most of those star level riders you mention race there. Should the MXoN be held more in the US because of a selection of 3 US riders, 3 Canadian riders, some unknown Southern Americans and because the Lawrences happen to race in the US nowadays? Don't think so. Plus, whenever it's held on the American continent, all "big" MX nations travel there without whining. And in fact, you can't complain. It's been held 5 times in the US since 2007 (counting 2025 aswell). That's around 28% of the time. The only countries getting close to that percentage are France and Great Britain.  

2) AMA has a single day format as compared to FIM that has a two day format. And GP riders don't only race GP's. They have national championships (you probably know that concept) and international races aswell (i.e. Dutch MX Nationals, ADAC MX Masters, Italian MX Prestige Championship, the Keiheuvel International and pre-season races like Hawkstone).

3) First you say FIM has an advantage of less races, in the following point you say they have more outdoors so more experience. SX and MX are apples and oranges.

4) They have, but they would be damn' stupid not to.

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Brent wrote:
1) there are only two series on this planet with star level motocross talent- the USA based AMA series,  and the FIM world championships.  The AMA...

1) there are only two series on this planet with star level motocross talent- the USA based AMA series,  and the FIM world championships.  The AMA teams have to ship bikes and fly team personnel over a big ocean, FIM can drive their trucks to the race. Advantage - FIM.

2) AMA series has 31 races as compared to FIM that has 20 races. Rider fatigue Advantage-FIM

3)  AMA riders only race 11 rounds of motocross as compared to 20 for FIM. Experience advantage- FIM.

4) in past years, Youthstream has literally promoted the event as Americans versus the world. So they know that team USA is a big attendance draw at the gate and on pay per view. Financial Advantage - FIM

 when big promoters hold a boxing match that draws fans from all over, it is unheard of that they do not pay the boxers, but keep all the gate money and pay-per-view money for themselves. 

That is why team USA needs to be paid or compensated because they are the biggest draw at the Motocross of Nations.

 One last thing- Team USA is also the only team in the paddock that needs it’s own private security, due to  the crush of European fans trying to get autographs or even see the riders up close. 

Without AMA riders, the MXoN is just another GP…. 


 

DeStouwer wrote:
1) Most of the MXoN's are on the European continent, that's true. But that's because a) MX originates in Europe and b) most of those star...

1) Most of the MXoN's are on the European continent, that's true. But that's because a) MX originates in Europe and b) most of those star level riders you mention race there. Should the MXoN be held more in the US because of a selection of 3 US riders, 3 Canadian riders, some unknown Southern Americans and because the Lawrences happen to race in the US nowadays? Don't think so. Plus, whenever it's held on the American continent, all "big" MX nations travel there without whining. And in fact, you can't complain. It's been held 5 times in the US since 2007 (counting 2025 aswell). That's around 28% of the time. The only countries getting close to that percentage are France and Great Britain.  

2) AMA has a single day format as compared to FIM that has a two day format. And GP riders don't only race GP's. They have national championships (you probably know that concept) and international races aswell (i.e. Dutch MX Nationals, ADAC MX Masters, Italian MX Prestige Championship, the Keiheuvel International and pre-season races like Hawkstone).

3) First you say FIM has an advantage of less races, in the following point you say they have more outdoors so more experience. SX and MX are apples and oranges.

4) They have, but they would be damn' stupid not to.

In an interview just published, Giuseppe Luongo said that ''we have settled the venues for the MXoN for the next 5 years, and shortly these venues will be announced. Anyway, as previously announced, MXoN will go often to USA''.

So it looks like USA will get even more than they have in the recent past. It's also worth mentioning that USA were awarded MXoN for 2017 but Glen Helen pulled out before Steve Dixon stepped in.

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In an interview just published, Giuseppe Luongo said that ''we have settled the venues for the MXoN for the next 5 years, and shortly these...

In an interview just published, Giuseppe Luongo said that ''we have settled the venues for the MXoN for the next 5 years, and shortly these venues will be announced. Anyway, as previously announced, MXoN will go often to USA''.

So it looks like USA will get even more than they have in the recent past. It's also worth mentioning that USA were awarded MXoN for 2017 but Glen Helen pulled out before Steve Dixon stepped in.

Really think it’s sad that the event starting to come down to three countrys (England, US and France). With often the same tracks each time.

Im not gonna say that it make me lose interest in the event, but seeing new tracks world be fun. Yes we will see it on ironman next year but i wish that some other countrys would sign up for it again.

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TeamGreen wrote:

🤣

OK

MX Guy wrote:
You gotta understand that you are one of the most severe when it comes to industry bias on the forum. It’s hard to take anything you...

You gotta understand that you are one of the most severe when it comes to industry bias on the forum. It’s hard to take anything you defend seriously. That’s kind of what you do most, defend the industry, even if it goes against the widely accepted truth/narrative. You have a right to defend, others have a right to not take it seriously because you’re clearly biased. It just is what it is. 

TeamGreen wrote:
I get it…that’s how some of you see it and that’s fine. And… yes, I will defend riders most of the time. Truth be told, I have...

I get it…that’s how some of you see it and that’s fine. And… yes, I will defend riders most of the time. 

Truth be told, I have no dog in this fight and had more than a few people tell me I’m wasting my time even commenting on this. 

 

Your explanation seems perfectly logical and legitimate to me.

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For real?? I mean, how many ‘pit-bits’ episodes are there in a season (31?) with intricate photos, nothing covered over. Do you think in the week of MXdN...

For real?? 
I mean, how many ‘pit-bits’ episodes are there in a season (31?) with intricate photos, nothing covered over. 

Do you think in the week of MXdN Roger will be on his knees with a torch and a vernier Caliper without the Kawasaki techs asking him wtf he’s  doing and the subsequent media hoo-haa created??

Gimme a break! There’s nothing he can see that he can’t see in the pit bits photos every week. 

If this really IS a thing, why are Yamaha ok with it??

I’m not buying this theory one bit.

Spoonguy wrote:
I can explain it for you, I can not understand it for you. Perhaps it is easier for you to think multi-million dollar promotional ventures like...

I can explain it for you, I can not understand it for you. Perhaps it is easier for you to think multi-million dollar promotional ventures like a manufacturers AMA pro racing team reacts the way they do because they are "mean", "unfair", or best yet "dumb".

After what ‘TeamGreen’ just wrote above, yes, please explain it to us..

I have no problem taking team green's explanation, seems honest to me. It does contradict several things I have heard and read in magazines and podcasts in the past about the problems going on with the team before and during the race. Perhaps the items I have heard or read in the past were misinterpretations or dated decisions, you can never tell. The problems Kawasaki had with DeCoster were not an embellishment on my behalf, it was a repeating of things read or heard on podcasts, I believe other people have heard the same stories. Perhaps it is just that, stories. I own a business myself, most of my friends are business owners, it would be very unlikely I or anyone I know would be comfortable letting key employees work for a competitor's manager for a week. Regardless of Kawasaki's feelings I believe Decoster is a less-than-ideal choice for the team manager yet. I think the real point is Kawasaki has their very real reasons for not going, as do some riders. Also, the selection process, organization, fund raising, and support of the MXoN team does not run like a well-oiled machine. Changes of some sort have to be made.

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Jonracing wrote:
MXON is the biggest race in our sport, without question.  Anyone saying otherwise is a FOOL.  Praise the MX Gods for allowing this to happen, shame...

MXON is the biggest race in our sport, without question.  Anyone saying otherwise is a FOOL.  Praise the MX Gods for allowing this to happen, shame on Kawasaki for their stance.  To omit Jorge Prado in 2025 will be the toughest pill to swallow.  Hopefully, he can get around the blockage with some outside support.

RichieW13 wrote:
I can't speak for other parts of the world, but in the United States it isn't the biggest race in our sport.  You can tell that's...

I can't speak for other parts of the world, but in the United States it isn't the biggest race in our sport.  You can tell that's the case, because top riders often elect to skip the event.  

And as I understand it, the promoter is the only one who makes money off this worldwide spectacle?  Until that money is shared with the racers, it is not the biggest race in our sport in my eyes.

That’s an interesting theory. It’s the largest attended race in the United States that I can recall. Hard to imagine that it’s not the most important race yet draws the largest crowd from all over the country.

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Elliot wrote:
In an interview just published, Giuseppe Luongo said that ''we have settled the venues for the MXoN for the next 5 years, and shortly these...

In an interview just published, Giuseppe Luongo said that ''we have settled the venues for the MXoN for the next 5 years, and shortly these venues will be announced. Anyway, as previously announced, MXoN will go often to USA''.

So it looks like USA will get even more than they have in the recent past. It's also worth mentioning that USA were awarded MXoN for 2017 but Glen Helen pulled out before Steve Dixon stepped in.

Tumic wrote:
Really think it’s sad that the event starting to come down to three countrys (England, US and France). With often the same tracks each time.Im not...

Really think it’s sad that the event starting to come down to three countrys (England, US and France). With often the same tracks each time.

Im not gonna say that it make me lose interest in the event, but seeing new tracks world be fun. Yes we will see it on ironman next year but i wish that some other countrys would sign up for it again.

Other countries/tracks can no longer afford it . 

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I can explain it for you, I can not understand it for you. Perhaps it is easier for you to think multi-million dollar promotional ventures like...

I can explain it for you, I can not understand it for you. Perhaps it is easier for you to think multi-million dollar promotional ventures like a manufacturers AMA pro racing team reacts the way they do because they are "mean", "unfair", or best yet "dumb".

After what ‘TeamGreen’ just wrote above, yes, please explain it to us..

Spoonguy wrote:
I have no problem taking team green's explanation, seems honest to me. It does contradict several things I have heard and read in magazines and podcasts...

I have no problem taking team green's explanation, seems honest to me. It does contradict several things I have heard and read in magazines and podcasts in the past about the problems going on with the team before and during the race. Perhaps the items I have heard or read in the past were misinterpretations or dated decisions, you can never tell. The problems Kawasaki had with DeCoster were not an embellishment on my behalf, it was a repeating of things read or heard on podcasts, I believe other people have heard the same stories. Perhaps it is just that, stories. I own a business myself, most of my friends are business owners, it would be very unlikely I or anyone I know would be comfortable letting key employees work for a competitor's manager for a week. Regardless of Kawasaki's feelings I believe Decoster is a less-than-ideal choice for the team manager yet. I think the real point is Kawasaki has their very real reasons for not going, as do some riders. Also, the selection process, organization, fund raising, and support of the MXoN team does not run like a well-oiled machine. Changes of some sort have to be made.

In 2018 Kawi used the MXDN as a testbed for their 2019 bike, the Euro based factory Kawi riders were on 2018 bikes, because they were using the race for testing the 2019 they refused to be on the same radio frequency as Team USA this is were the Kawi/DeCoster narrative came from and grew into the rumor that we have now...... 

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After what ‘TeamGreen’ just wrote above, yes, please explain it to us..

Spoonguy wrote:
I have no problem taking team green's explanation, seems honest to me. It does contradict several things I have heard and read in magazines and podcasts...

I have no problem taking team green's explanation, seems honest to me. It does contradict several things I have heard and read in magazines and podcasts in the past about the problems going on with the team before and during the race. Perhaps the items I have heard or read in the past were misinterpretations or dated decisions, you can never tell. The problems Kawasaki had with DeCoster were not an embellishment on my behalf, it was a repeating of things read or heard on podcasts, I believe other people have heard the same stories. Perhaps it is just that, stories. I own a business myself, most of my friends are business owners, it would be very unlikely I or anyone I know would be comfortable letting key employees work for a competitor's manager for a week. Regardless of Kawasaki's feelings I believe Decoster is a less-than-ideal choice for the team manager yet. I think the real point is Kawasaki has their very real reasons for not going, as do some riders. Also, the selection process, organization, fund raising, and support of the MXoN team does not run like a well-oiled machine. Changes of some sort have to be made.

DonM wrote:
In 2018 Kawi used the MXDN as a testbed for their 2019 bike, the Euro based factory Kawi riders were on 2018 bikes, because they were...

In 2018 Kawi used the MXDN as a testbed for their 2019 bike, the Euro based factory Kawi riders were on 2018 bikes, because they were using the race for testing the 2019 they refused to be on the same radio frequency as Team USA this is were the Kawi/DeCoster narrative came from and grew into the rumor that we have now...... 

Explains alot, cool insight, thanks!

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When Kawasaki gets some guys that could win there they will send them!


(I have owned Kawasakis since 1982 and will buying more)

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9/25/2024 8:56am Edited Date/Time 9/25/2024 8:56am
Elliot wrote:
In an interview just published, Giuseppe Luongo said that ''we have settled the venues for the MXoN for the next 5 years, and shortly these...

In an interview just published, Giuseppe Luongo said that ''we have settled the venues for the MXoN for the next 5 years, and shortly these venues will be announced. Anyway, as previously announced, MXoN will go often to USA''.

So it looks like USA will get even more than they have in the recent past. It's also worth mentioning that USA were awarded MXoN for 2017 but Glen Helen pulled out before Steve Dixon stepped in.

Tumic wrote:
Really think it’s sad that the event starting to come down to three countrys (England, US and France). With often the same tracks each time.Im not...

Really think it’s sad that the event starting to come down to three countrys (England, US and France). With often the same tracks each time.

Im not gonna say that it make me lose interest in the event, but seeing new tracks world be fun. Yes we will see it on ironman next year but i wish that some other countrys would sign up for it again.

It’s not about the race in the slightest. It’s about the spectacle. There was a time period in the 80s and 90s where the MxDN was a true international event that raced all over the world. Now it’s who ever can make sure the crime family that runs the GPs can get paid the most. At least in America there are more tracks to pick from but in France there are two, GB only one. 

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Park Boys wrote:
It’s not about the race in the slightest. It’s about the spectacle. There was a time period in the 80s and 90s where the MxDN was...

It’s not about the race in the slightest. It’s about the spectacle. There was a time period in the 80s and 90s where the MxDN was a true international event that raced all over the world. Now it’s who ever can make sure the crime family that runs the GPs can get paid the most. At least in America there are more tracks to pick from but in France there are two, GB only one. 

All the circuits around the world that host a GP could host a MxDn. The european DesNations always bring a large crowd and with the same tracks hosting it again and again, it can’t be that bad of a deal for them.

 

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9/25/2024 9:28am
Motofinne wrote:

Pretty much everything you bring up is nonsense. Except the first point, the GP riders have an advantage with the track most years.

 

Point 2) It would be interesting to count the number of races that JH84 has done this year versus Sexton. Not to mention the fact that 17 weekends...

Point 2) 

It would be interesting to count the number of races that JH84 has done this year versus Sexton. 

Not to mention the fact that 17 weekends of the US side is SX. Any rider will tell you that a Saturday night at SX is far less stress on the body than an outdoor round. 

What about the stress on the mind? 

Acknowledged- the mental stress is a thing. 
But lets also acknowledge that’s 17 ‘easier’ weekends, than 17 ‘outdoor’ weekends. 

Honestly, I have to devalue it by saying ‘easier’ but, you get what I mean. SX vs. outdoors- not comparison on the toll they take.

9/25/2024 9:31am
Spoonguy wrote:
I can explain it for you, I can not understand it for you. Perhaps it is easier for you to think multi-million dollar promotional ventures like...

I can explain it for you, I can not understand it for you. Perhaps it is easier for you to think multi-million dollar promotional ventures like a manufacturers AMA pro racing team reacts the way they do because they are "mean", "unfair", or best yet "dumb".

After what ‘TeamGreen’ just wrote above, yes, please explain it to us..

Spoonguy wrote:
I have no problem taking team green's explanation, seems honest to me. It does contradict several things I have heard and read in magazines and podcasts...

I have no problem taking team green's explanation, seems honest to me. It does contradict several things I have heard and read in magazines and podcasts in the past about the problems going on with the team before and during the race. Perhaps the items I have heard or read in the past were misinterpretations or dated decisions, you can never tell. The problems Kawasaki had with DeCoster were not an embellishment on my behalf, it was a repeating of things read or heard on podcasts, I believe other people have heard the same stories. Perhaps it is just that, stories. I own a business myself, most of my friends are business owners, it would be very unlikely I or anyone I know would be comfortable letting key employees work for a competitor's manager for a week. Regardless of Kawasaki's feelings I believe Decoster is a less-than-ideal choice for the team manager yet. I think the real point is Kawasaki has their very real reasons for not going, as do some riders. Also, the selection process, organization, fund raising, and support of the MXoN team does not run like a well-oiled machine. Changes of some sort have to be made.

The point about Roger looking at the bikes… there’s really nothing Roger can learn about a competitors bike by looking at the outside of it that he can’t already see in pitbits photos. 

This fear is irrational. 

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I’m so pissed that I just went out and bought two 110L’s. That’ll teach ‘em. 😎

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After what ‘TeamGreen’ just wrote above, yes, please explain it to us..

Spoonguy wrote:
I have no problem taking team green's explanation, seems honest to me. It does contradict several things I have heard and read in magazines and podcasts...

I have no problem taking team green's explanation, seems honest to me. It does contradict several things I have heard and read in magazines and podcasts in the past about the problems going on with the team before and during the race. Perhaps the items I have heard or read in the past were misinterpretations or dated decisions, you can never tell. The problems Kawasaki had with DeCoster were not an embellishment on my behalf, it was a repeating of things read or heard on podcasts, I believe other people have heard the same stories. Perhaps it is just that, stories. I own a business myself, most of my friends are business owners, it would be very unlikely I or anyone I know would be comfortable letting key employees work for a competitor's manager for a week. Regardless of Kawasaki's feelings I believe Decoster is a less-than-ideal choice for the team manager yet. I think the real point is Kawasaki has their very real reasons for not going, as do some riders. Also, the selection process, organization, fund raising, and support of the MXoN team does not run like a well-oiled machine. Changes of some sort have to be made.

The point about Roger looking at the bikes… there’s really nothing Roger can learn about a competitors bike by looking at the outside of it that...

The point about Roger looking at the bikes… there’s really nothing Roger can learn about a competitors bike by looking at the outside of it that he can’t already see in pitbits photos. 

This fear is irrational. 

You mean the team that was soo cool with Michael taking some pictures?

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