Roger DeCoster needs to go

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Spoonguy wrote:
That is the thing, he of all people knows that quality riders who want to race des Nations can't go because he is manager. Him managing...

That is the thing, he of all people knows that quality riders who want to race des Nations can't go because he is manager. Him managing diminishes the list of available riders, hurts our chances of a good finish, and compromises the selection process. If he really wants the best team for the USA he would resign, why are we compromising our selection process to appease this man?

DonM wrote:
I have a bigger problem with Kawi and their team management with their take their toys and go home attitude....why should Roger and the AMA fold...

I have a bigger problem with Kawi and their team management with their take their toys and go home attitude....why should Roger and the AMA fold to their childish behavior? Is their any guarantee that Kawi will support it without Roger? Or will they want to be on different radios and not allow the new team manager to communicate with their rider?.....The issue is not Roger it's Kawi.... and my opinion is that even after Roger is no longer the manager the current management at Kawi will not support being part of a team...unless it's on their terms...

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Regardless of his relationship with other teams, 1 win in 10 for Team USA is nowhere near good enough. I know there’s not a lot the...

Regardless of his relationship with other teams, 1 win in 10 for Team USA is nowhere near good enough. I know there’s not a lot the team manager can do on race day, but I think normally those results should prompt a change of some kind 

Yes, it's completely unacceptable. 

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I would like to see someone like Rick Johnson or Brock Glover manage it personally. Roger D has ran some of the best teams but there’s definitely a conflict of interest there. 

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9/19/2024 3:13am

One man's vision changed the World . . . but Factory Teams need to step up like Team Honda did in 1981.

I say, have each factory team send only their racers each year and rotate teams the next year to eliminate team vs team spying . . . 

Go Team USA!

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9/19/2024 4:56am

Rick Johnson, Jeff Ward, David Bailey & Jeremy McGrath.  4 man team of legends, let them vote. 

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It’s not insane for a company that is competing directly against another in racing and in sales of machines to object to the manager of the MXdN because they are the director of a competitors race team. It should be someone independent and at the minimum not involved(ie employed) with a factory racing effort. Paul Perebinjos (sp?) for example, or DV(that would be incredible). 

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One man's vision changed the World . . . but Factory Teams need to step up like Team Honda did in 1981.I say, have each...

One man's vision changed the World . . . but Factory Teams need to step up like Team Honda did in 1981.

I say, have each factory team send only their racers each year and rotate teams the next year to eliminate team vs team spying . . . 

Go Team USA!

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That’s actually a kind of cool idea. It would drastically reduce our chances to win and Honda couldn’t even field us a team but interesting. 

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Kevin Windham. 

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Lol. This shit again. As Jimmy "Smokes" Leyland the legendary baseball manager used to say. "I can't hit for them; I can't catch for them, and I can't throw for them".

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Absolute legend but should set his ego aside and step down. If he won’t do it someone needs to man up and make the tough decision...

Absolute legend but should set his ego aside and step down. If he won’t do it someone needs to man up and make the tough decision to tell him this is his last year.

Spoonguy wrote:
That is the thing, he of all people knows that quality riders who want to race des Nations can't go because he is manager. Him managing...

That is the thing, he of all people knows that quality riders who want to race des Nations can't go because he is manager. Him managing diminishes the list of available riders, hurts our chances of a good finish, and compromises the selection process. If he really wants the best team for the USA he would resign, why are we compromising our selection process to appease this man?

DonM wrote:
I have a bigger problem with Kawi and their team management with their take their toys and go home attitude....why should Roger and the AMA fold...

I have a bigger problem with Kawi and their team management with their take their toys and go home attitude....why should Roger and the AMA fold to their childish behavior? Is their any guarantee that Kawi will support it without Roger? Or will they want to be on different radios and not allow the new team manager to communicate with their rider?.....The issue is not Roger it's Kawi.... and my opinion is that even after Roger is no longer the manager the current management at Kawi will not support being part of a team...unless it's on their terms...

I understand your reasoning, but the point is Decoster is the current reason Kawasaki will not compete. That is roughly one out of four or five factory riders in this country. If Decoster was truly interested in USA's team being competitive he would step down.

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As the chief architect of Team USA since that historic day in 1981, Roger would earn a lifetime pass from me to do this as long...

As the chief architect of Team USA since that historic day in 1981, Roger would earn a lifetime pass from me to do this as long as he is willing. 

There have been plenty of head-scratcher moves and rider choices along the way, rest assured this is the case with every team.

For every case that you can dunk on him picking one of his team's riders, there is an example of him fielding one of his guys because no one else was willing. 

Picking your favorite retired racer's name from a hat and thinking "they'd be perfect!" is not an answer, IMO. There is a lot that goes into this. 

 

No, picking a team manager for sentimental and historical reasons does nothing for the here and now. Keeping Decoster resigns our team to "could maybe win" every year rather than "we must win". Why waste going if that is the case, just give Decoster a participation trophy every year and save the time, effort, and money. Great job grandpa you led the team another year! Has anybody asked team Kawasaki who they would like to manage the team? Could one of our "journalists" do that, or is that too controversial?

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Spoonguy wrote:
That is the thing, he of all people knows that quality riders who want to race des Nations can't go because he is manager. Him managing...

That is the thing, he of all people knows that quality riders who want to race des Nations can't go because he is manager. Him managing diminishes the list of available riders, hurts our chances of a good finish, and compromises the selection process. If he really wants the best team for the USA he would resign, why are we compromising our selection process to appease this man?

DonM wrote:
I have a bigger problem with Kawi and their team management with their take their toys and go home attitude....why should Roger and the AMA fold...

I have a bigger problem with Kawi and their team management with their take their toys and go home attitude....why should Roger and the AMA fold to their childish behavior? Is their any guarantee that Kawi will support it without Roger? Or will they want to be on different radios and not allow the new team manager to communicate with their rider?.....The issue is not Roger it's Kawi.... and my opinion is that even after Roger is no longer the manager the current management at Kawi will not support being part of a team...unless it's on their terms...

Spoonguy wrote:
I understand your reasoning, but the point is Decoster is the current reason Kawasaki will not compete. That is roughly one out of four or five...

I understand your reasoning, but the point is Decoster is the current reason Kawasaki will not compete. That is roughly one out of four or five factory riders in this country. If Decoster was truly interested in USA's team being competitive he would step down.

Changing team managers isn't going to change Kawi's position on the MXDN....

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DonM wrote:
I have a bigger problem with Kawi and their team management with their take their toys and go home attitude....why should Roger and the AMA fold...

I have a bigger problem with Kawi and their team management with their take their toys and go home attitude....why should Roger and the AMA fold to their childish behavior? Is their any guarantee that Kawi will support it without Roger? Or will they want to be on different radios and not allow the new team manager to communicate with their rider?.....The issue is not Roger it's Kawi.... and my opinion is that even after Roger is no longer the manager the current management at Kawi will not support being part of a team...unless it's on their terms...

Spoonguy wrote:
I understand your reasoning, but the point is Decoster is the current reason Kawasaki will not compete. That is roughly one out of four or five...

I understand your reasoning, but the point is Decoster is the current reason Kawasaki will not compete. That is roughly one out of four or five factory riders in this country. If Decoster was truly interested in USA's team being competitive he would step down.

DonM wrote:

Changing team managers isn't going to change Kawi's position on the MXDN....

Is this genuinely true or just opinion? They have sent riders in the past, Ward, Villopoto...

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Changing team managers isn't going to change Kawi's position on the MXDN....

He can't understand that. 

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AMA have tried other MXoN managers since Decoster first did the job, Bevo Forte in 1994 and Paul Lindsey in 1999. They didn't win on both...

AMA have tried other MXoN managers since Decoster first did the job, Bevo Forte in 1994 and Paul Lindsey in 1999. They didn't win on both occasions.

While ex pros like Trey Canard might be a good pick from a rider/fan perspective, AMA would want someone who is experienced in handling team budgets and have existing relationships with domestic team managers. While their might be a conflict in Roger being one of those domestic managers, he ticks the boxes in all other respects in my view and would be tough to replace.

Roy Janson stepped up in 1992 after Roger dropped out. USA won that year. 

It’s not as much about how the riders do when there racing. More about everything else leading up to it. 

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Spoonguy wrote:
I understand your reasoning, but the point is Decoster is the current reason Kawasaki will not compete. That is roughly one out of four or five...

I understand your reasoning, but the point is Decoster is the current reason Kawasaki will not compete. That is roughly one out of four or five factory riders in this country. If Decoster was truly interested in USA's team being competitive he would step down.

DonM wrote:

Changing team managers isn't going to change Kawi's position on the MXDN....

Spoonguy wrote:

Is this genuinely true or just opinion? They have sent riders in the past, Ward, Villopoto...

Those were before Bruce got involved....

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9/19/2024 6:52am Edited Date/Time 9/19/2024 7:08am
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He is an all time legend of the sport and is THE MAN. But this is beyond ridiculous now. Kawasaki will not support the MxDN with...

He is an all time legend of the sport and is THE MAN. But this is beyond ridiculous now. Kawasaki will not support the MxDN with him in power. Far too many good riders are out of consideration every year. Webb going on a MX2 is a direct result of us not having choices. Good on Webb for going I guess, but Roger has to get the hell out. We need an independent team manager not tied to a manufacturer. 
 

LOL


Brilliant plan, let’s let Kawasaki dictate who gets the job. Kawasaki MX management who are notorious for being assclowns at times. 

Let’s give it to some blogger/journalist who doesn’t know shit…but thinks he is a genius…as they all do. I am sure they will have ZERO affiliation with any companies…yeah right. Thats BS. Their sponsors will be the cat bird seat. 

DeCoster w/others have some years single-handedly kept us in the race due to their knowledge/experience/team connections..

 

Now everyone wants on the bandwagon because it’s easy again in 2025 being on American soil again..



 

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Broc Glover…. And yes, I think this will be Roger’s last year.

Broc Glover is an excellent choice, IMO. I'm a huge DeCoster fan, and always will be, but just like any other leadership position...there should be an age limit or a well defined tenure limitation. We can't have extreme manufacurer bias or personal issues interfere with a winning American team going to MXoN. 

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He is an all time legend of the sport and is THE MAN. But this is beyond ridiculous now. Kawasaki will not support the MxDN with...

He is an all time legend of the sport and is THE MAN. But this is beyond ridiculous now. Kawasaki will not support the MxDN with him in power. Far too many good riders are out of consideration every year. Webb going on a MX2 is a direct result of us not having choices. Good on Webb for going I guess, but Roger has to get the hell out. We need an independent team manager not tied to a manufacturer. 
 

Paul333 wrote:
LOLBrilliant plan, let’s let Kawasaki dictate who gets the job. Kawasaki MX management who are notorious for being assclowns at times. Let’s give it to some blogger/journalist...

LOL


Brilliant plan, let’s let Kawasaki dictate who gets the job. Kawasaki MX management who are notorious for being assclowns at times. 

Let’s give it to some blogger/journalist who doesn’t know shit…but thinks he is a genius…as they all do. I am sure they will have ZERO affiliation with any companies…yeah right. Thats BS. Their sponsors will be the cat bird seat. 

DeCoster w/others have some years single-handedly kept us in the race due to their knowledge/experience/team connections..

 

Now everyone wants on the bandwagon because it’s easy again in 2025 being on American soil again..



 

People have been calling for him to step down as mxdn manager for years. It’s nothing new. IMO it’s not a job for anyone that is already working for a factory team. 

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9/19/2024 7:14am Edited Date/Time 9/19/2024 7:16am
Park Boys wrote:
He is an all time legend of the sport and is THE MAN. But this is beyond ridiculous now. Kawasaki will not support the MxDN with...

He is an all time legend of the sport and is THE MAN. But this is beyond ridiculous now. Kawasaki will not support the MxDN with him in power. Far too many good riders are out of consideration every year. Webb going on a MX2 is a direct result of us not having choices. Good on Webb for going I guess, but Roger has to get the hell out. We need an independent team manager not tied to a manufacturer. 
 

Paul333 wrote:
LOLBrilliant plan, let’s let Kawasaki dictate who gets the job. Kawasaki MX management who are notorious for being assclowns at times. Let’s give it to some blogger/journalist...

LOL


Brilliant plan, let’s let Kawasaki dictate who gets the job. Kawasaki MX management who are notorious for being assclowns at times. 

Let’s give it to some blogger/journalist who doesn’t know shit…but thinks he is a genius…as they all do. I am sure they will have ZERO affiliation with any companies…yeah right. Thats BS. Their sponsors will be the cat bird seat. 

DeCoster w/others have some years single-handedly kept us in the race due to their knowledge/experience/team connections..

 

Now everyone wants on the bandwagon because it’s easy again in 2025 being on American soil again..



 

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People have been calling for him to step down as mxdn manager for years. It’s nothing new. IMO it’s not a job for anyone that is...

People have been calling for him to step down as mxdn manager for years. It’s nothing new. IMO it’s not a job for anyone that is already working for a factory team. 

Roger earned his stripes..earned our numerous wins when nobody wanted it. 

Some AMA nobody bureaucrat should get it? Some blogger? Some influencer? All being set up to be Instagram famous in 2025 with Monster, Deegans, etc all kissing their ass to be on the team?

Hence the push to get the job for 2025…..

When Roger does decide to step down it will be a cluster 


 


 

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He is the winningest MXDN team manger in history....so there's that....

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He is 80 years old too, so there is that. He is also an employee of a manufacturer that competes against many of the teams expected to send riders as well, so there is that as well.

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This was never an issue when we were winning every year. Pretty sure Rog has been a “competing manager” for decades

 

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LOLBrilliant plan, let’s let Kawasaki dictate who gets the job. Kawasaki MX management who are notorious for being assclowns at times. Let’s give it to some blogger/journalist...

LOL


Brilliant plan, let’s let Kawasaki dictate who gets the job. Kawasaki MX management who are notorious for being assclowns at times. 

Let’s give it to some blogger/journalist who doesn’t know shit…but thinks he is a genius…as they all do. I am sure they will have ZERO affiliation with any companies…yeah right. Thats BS. Their sponsors will be the cat bird seat. 

DeCoster w/others have some years single-handedly kept us in the race due to their knowledge/experience/team connections..

 

Now everyone wants on the bandwagon because it’s easy again in 2025 being on American soil again..



 

soggy wrote:
People have been calling for him to step down as mxdn manager for years. It’s nothing new. IMO it’s not a job for anyone that is...

People have been calling for him to step down as mxdn manager for years. It’s nothing new. IMO it’s not a job for anyone that is already working for a factory team. 

Paul333 wrote:
Roger earned his stripes..earned our numerous wins when nobody wanted it. Some AMA nobody bureaucrat should get it? Some blogger? Some influencer? All being set up to...

Roger earned his stripes..earned our numerous wins when nobody wanted it. 

Some AMA nobody bureaucrat should get it? Some blogger? Some influencer? All being set up to be Instagram famous in 2025 with Monster, Deegans, etc all kissing their ass to be on the team?

Hence the push to get the job for 2025…..

When Roger does decide to step down it will be a cluster 


 


 

You said some nobody/influencer not me. There are plenty of former racers and industry folk that could run it. Whether interested or not who knows but here’s a start 


Paul P

DV

LaRocco 

KW

RC

Tony Alessi ( laugh if you want but he’d have the team fired up) 

Just a few that come to mine

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He is 80 years old too, so there is that. He is also an employee of a manufacturer that competes against many of the teams expected...

He is 80 years old too, so there is that. He is also an employee of a manufacturer that competes against many of the teams expected to send riders as well, so there is that as well.

Same as it’s been since 1981…

Many years we wouldn’t have sent a team without Roger. 

Now I suspect some Blogger/Journalist wants the job…hence the Internet push to take it over.

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Roger DeCoster has always stated the MXDN is the most important race of the year. There will never be anybody that loves this race more than Roger. If you think he doesn't have the best interest in America winning this race you are mistaken. 

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He is the winningest MXDN team manger in history....so there's that....

Also the losingest, I presume

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You said some nobody/influencer not me. There are plenty of former racers and industry folk that could run it. Whether interested or not who knows but...

You said some nobody/influencer not me. There are plenty of former racers and industry folk that could run it. Whether interested or not who knows but here’s a start 


Paul P

DV

LaRocco 

KW

RC

Tony Alessi ( laugh if you want but he’d have the team fired up) 

Just a few that come to mine

Great list no doubt 

When Roger decides to step away all would be great candidates. 

However not one is going to instantaneously improve our results, bring Kawi back into the fold, fix the funding issues, get the Deegans not to care more about an 8 race regional feeder SX series title, etc. 

It’s Rogers job until he doesn’t want it anymore 

 

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Im simply asking, what other teams at nations has had some one born in another country representing another?  yes im aware of citizenship's. again, im simply asking...

Im simply asking, what other teams at nations has had some one born in another country representing another?  yes im aware of citizenship's. 

again, im simply asking out of curiosity and nothing against Team USA.. 

Happens with riders often. Deano, Vlanderin, pretty much everyone that has rode for Puerto Rico, etc. 

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