Ryno is 100% spot on again.

Very well said. And I'm a team green fan.

I agree with the first reply!

But what made me log in is that I’m amazed with the amount of thumbs up vs ZERO thumbs down in 11hrs. 86+ 0-
Is this a record?!?!

Nobody ever points to Herlings for an example of technique (as far as what is currently being described as perfect technique by the online coaches - which I personally question some of) but he's by far one of the fastest dudes on a dirtbike in the last decade.  Same for Tomac.  Same for Stewart. Same could be said for a bunch of riders.  All fastest people on the planet at one time or another.  One of the most under-valued, under-discussed and under-appreciated aspects of being fast on a dirtbike is throttle control.  That's the key to cornering fast and cornering is the key to racing fast.  

I think this often when watching AJ Catanzaro videos.  Especially his insights about a few things like not sticking your leg out etc.  

There’s no 1 single way.  Sure, there are certain aspects of technique that would benefit everyone….but RC had his bars in his lap, elbows down and sat 85% of the time.  The dude was insane fast.

Halfway through the video it just becomes the same old tired buzzword charades...

You could say lots of things about lots of riders and Deegs is fantastic but theres a lot more that makes him fantastic than just having his butt out... So like yeah... cool. 

One thing I really noticed this weekend was how far back he was coming into the corners, and he was back on the pegs pushing back as he brakes into the corner... just like Ryno was saying

Your supposed to be leaning back when braking . Different styles of this is used if your Very gifted.  Want to improve or hv the perfect technique. Ride on the ice get your body all ovr the bike. Doing turn tracks , figure  8,s.  You,ll feel what works best.  With perfect technique you don’t use energy and you can rip if your injured.  1# is technique or bike skill if your able to get the back wheel a few % more on the ground for example. You can blow riders off the track with a stock 04 cr125. I do it all the time.  

Or clutch control in Tomac‘s case lol 

And staying low on big braking bumps. How to get the rear wheel on the ground more.  Surprised the expert riding coaches don’t talk about that & a few other things.  Real big braking bumps I don’t brake I up shift & clutch off a big 1 to jump most of them . Land in the rut on the gas & bam you sling shot out.  If you can land a jump in the same spot every lap. You can land in a rut

Yeah always one of the riders that made your jaw drop because he was so smooth. I always had the same thing with Arnaud Tonus. In my opinion both of them had the most flawless technique, but were they as dominant as some other riders who used more muscle? I think that there is no holy grail to win races or be the best for a while. Its a mix of technique, will to win, some luck, bike setup and confindence. 

Some riders are racers, they excel when there is pressure. Deegan is a winner. RV2 was a winner. Carmichael, Herlings, Stewart, Tomac - They are all winners. 

There’s probably an optimal way to ride. Just because it works, doesn’t mean it’s optimal. And if you aren’t optimal you need to make up for it other ways. Pushing harder and maybe being on the edge more, better fitness, or whatever. Seems like the newer guys are getting more towards that. Sexton seemed to kind of start it, Jett, now Haiden.

You see it in other stuff all the time. Joe Rogan for example is always preaching about kettle bells and certain exercises and then you have exercise scientists that are like don’t listen to him. Anything he does can be better done with barbells and dumbbells. 

I went to a Rick Johnson riding school many years back and he described it like a dog in the back of a pickup. "When you gas it, the dog leans forward and when you hit the brakes he leans back." It made sense to me.

Pourcel was insanely smooth. So smooth he looked slow but was putting in the fastest laps. 

Reminds me of Jett except he sat down more..

I have to agree that Kitchen out of probably all the current top guys has the most noticeable rounded back and tucked butt when he rides, I think its because hes taller than the other riders that it makes it more exaggerated. 

Right off his instagram from the first few pictures its right there: 

Compared to someone like chance who is committed to trying as hard as he can to stay in the attack position

Theres multiple ways to skin a cat and the differences in style make the sport fun! 

As far as haidens technique if you really pay attention when hes riding he is doing all the right things as far as attack position, shoulders rolled back, arched back…etc. that everyone thinks of when they think of great technique. What I think makes him appear so different at race pace compared to the other guys is how much movement he uses. His movements are extremely fast and he moves around a lot and his movements are very aggressive like when he scrubs he scrubs like it owes him money. This makes him look a lot different than riders like the lawrences, hymas…etc who try to move very slowly and not make any extra movements that could waste any energy. Someone like jett moves very slow between sitting, standing, leaning whereas deegan sits THE FUCK down and then stands THE FUCK back up. This is what I believe makes them look so much different when riding even though both are using fundamentally the same technique. 

What makes Jett as fast as he is when racing the other really fast riders, is his roll speed in the corners.  You could see it on full display last week in Moto 1 with the close racing with Tomac.  You can take all the other stuff like the flat back, knee position relation to foot pegs, foot position etc. that people love to talk and sell training classes on and while that looks nice, what really makes him so fast is his cornering and roll speed.  Go back and watch the tight racing with him versus Tomac.  Yes, Tomac would stretch the lead back out in sections, then Jett would close it back up in the corners.  Cornering used to be taught that you were either on the gas or on the brakes, no coasting.  Now, what's making riders faster is that coasting (aka roll speed) - which was taught not to do at one point back in the day.  Point being, things change.

I put this in another post, but Herlings doesn't have perfect form by today's ideal standard and he's fast as hell - at one point was easily the FMOTP and still blows other riders away in MXGP.  Form/technique isn't everything.  Riding form and skills evolve over time.  Some things may never change, but other aspects most certainly will.  I'm sure it will continue to evolve.