I am disappointed in SX and all the cry babies...

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 10:24am
I'm so sick of hearing that "so and so" blocked passed this guy...and this guy ran "so and so" off the track.

Boo f-ing hoo, it's motorcycle racing. I personally LOVE watching the guys block pass. It's much better than all of them going high in the corners and following each other around.


If you don't want to get blocked...protect your line.
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2/26/2008 6:08am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
Can you imagine guys like Bradshaw, Chicken, Larry Ward, Cooper, etc. trying to make it in todays MX/SX world?

There would be protests and fines every week! :shock:
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That's why I like Arenacross. Those guys aren't afraid to rub plastic and bang bars.
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2/26/2008 8:15am
When i am watching a race and see a good rider NOT take advantage of an open inside line, its dissapointing to me that he let an opportunity to take a position pass him by. I think a block pass without taking the wheels out from a guy is perfectly acceptable and if you don't throw the clean block pass that just shows the guy doe's not want it all that bad. Its good to see clean racing but not THAT clean..

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2/26/2008 10:01am
motocross turned pussy after magoo, shultz and bobbym got hurt. true story.
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2/26/2008 10:02am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="BobbyM":3ddy937b]motocross turned pussy after magoo, shultz and bobbym got hurt. true story.[/quote:3ddy937b]

I know who magoo and shultz are, but who is this boobym clown?
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2/26/2008 10:04am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="huck":1fuqq4j8]I know who magoo and shultz are, but who is this boobym clown?[/quote:1fuqq4j8]

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Worked a little with Rick James bitch.....
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2/26/2008 10:15am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="BobbyM":9xi29npj]motocross turned pussy after magoo, shultz and bobbym got hurt. true story.[/quote:9xi29npj]

You guys were bad mo'fos for sure.
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2/26/2008 10:32am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="Jarid332":xps819et]That's why I like Arenacross. Those guys aren't afraid to rub plastic and bang bars.[/quote:xps819et]

Arenacross is definitely a lot of fun and helps a rider develop a much more aggressive outlook on racing and passing. BUT, that's the nature of the game because of the way the track is set up. Most Arenacross tracks are extremely narrow and one lined, so in order to make a pass (once you catch up to a rider) you have to dive inside, square up a corner, and take their line. Otherwise you're doomed to follow them like a train until you finish in the same place you started once the checkered flag flies.

ON THE OTHER HAND, modern day Supercross is a more elite group of riders on tracks that usually allow many different line choices. My take on the Sorby/Preston issue is that Sorby got passed because he's slower (whether that's true throughout the season or just at this particular track). When he got passed, his competitive nature took over and when he realized that he couldn't beat Preston with speed, he decided to dive on the inside for a deliberate take out. It was unnecessary and disrespectful. That being said, I'm not contributing to the winers and saying that all contact should be policed and met with a warning or fine from AMA. In fact, I love contact on the track. Although, I prefer to see the contact that comes along with the kind of back and forth battles that gets your adrenaline flowing and fans out of their seats, not cheap take out moves.
2/26/2008 11:30am
It seems to me that the riders today always talk about how some body races clean or how another guy races dirty, I came up in the 80s and if you were in someones way you were going down. I remember Howerton and Hannah, that race was epic. Stuff like that happened all the time, even in the 86 Bailey Johnson battle those two hit alot in that race.

Back in my day Holley, Juan Benevidez, Johnny Whelchel and Cris Heisser would take you out at a local race just to get a few more dollars, that was racing. Benevidez cleaned me out horribly at saddleback one time and I didnt bitch.

Todays riders are like the modern day quarterback for the NFL, if you hit them they wine like little girls.
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2/26/2008 11:59am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="uptite":2cfdi7nb]It seems to me that the riders today always talk about how some body races clean or how another guy races dirty, I came up in the 80s and if you were in someones way you were going down. I remember Howerton and Hannah, that race was epic. Stuff like that happened all the time, even in the 86 Bailey Johnson battle those two hit alot in that race.

Back in my day Holley, Juan Benevidez, Johnny Whelchel and Cris Heisser would take you out at a local race just to get a few more dollars, that was racing. Benevidez cleaned me out horribly at saddleback one time and I didnt bitch.

Todays riders are like the modern day quarterback for the NFL, if you hit them they wine like little girls.[/quote:2cfdi7nb]



As i said earlier i like to see some block passing and elbow rubbin' but when you say the riders whine because they get taken out etc. i can see their point. No real comparison to the old days when a few thousand were at stake, now its hundreds of thousands or millions lost if a rider is taken out or crippled for life. It is a very fine line between a bit of rough housing where no one gets hurt and using a bike as a weapon. When a rider pushes to the extent that a person is taken out for a season, life or is killed its a whole new ball game. Thats why there are rules and warnings etc. to prevent things from getting out of control and turning into roller ball. Think about it, if there were no rules it would be just plain crazy.
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2/26/2008 12:13pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="huck":2l9cvkyi][quote="BobbyM":2l9cvkyi]motocross turned pussy after magoo, shultz and bobbym got hurt. true story.[/quote:2l9cvkyi]

I know who magoo and shultz are, but who is this boobym clown?[/quote:2l9cvkyi]

Sort of like Mario Andretti, Richard Petty and Ricky BobbyM.
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2/26/2008 12:16pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="Crash82":2whqwxxt]Sort of like Mario Andretti, Richard Petty and Ricky BobbyM.[/quote:2whqwxxt]
You used Mario instead of AJ?

Blasphemy.
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2/26/2008 1:38pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="raddad":1cjghzuj][quote="uptite":1cjghzuj]It seems to me that the riders today always talk about how some body races clean or how another guy races dirty, I came up in the 80s and if you were in someones way you were going down. I remember Howerton and Hannah, that race was epic. Stuff like that happened all the time, even in the 86 Bailey Johnson battle those two hit alot in that race.

Back in my day Holley, Juan Benevidez, Johnny Whelchel and Cris Heisser would take you out at a local race just to get a few more dollars, that was racing. Benevidez cleaned me out horribly at saddleback one time and I didnt bitch.

Todays riders are like the modern day quarterback for the NFL, if you hit them they wine like little girls.[/quote:1cjghzuj]



As i said earlier i like to see some block passing and elbow rubbin' but when you say the riders whine because they get taken out etc. i can see their point. No real comparison to the old days when a few thousand were at stake, now its hundreds of thousands or millions lost if a rider is taken out or crippled for life. It is a very fine line between a bit of rough housing where no one gets hurt and using a bike as a weapon. When a rider pushes to the extent that a person is taken out for a season, life or is killed its a whole new ball game. Thats why there are rules and warnings etc. to prevent things from getting out of control and turning into roller ball. Think about it, if there were no rules it would be just plain crazy.[/quote:1cjghzuj]

I don't see your point. You minimize those riders like Magoo, Shultz, Pomeroy, Lackey and BobbyM who risked life/limb(no pun intended) and those thru out the history of this sport to put it on the map, thus allowing those now to make huge sums of money, who whine and complain, instead of ever thinking of those who put this sport on the map for a few grand and less.

Uptite's right. Can't take the heat, get outta kitchen.
2/26/2008 2:32pm
[quote:w6j1j6zv]Johnny Whelchel[/quote:w6j1j6zv]

i think i saw him hauling ass at mammoth one year...i thought that guy kicked ass on a scooter. same guy i suspect...open yamaha?
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2/26/2008 2:32pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="andymoto":37y8wc0v][quote="raddad":37y8wc0v][quote="uptite":37y8wc0v]It seems to me that the riders today always talk about how some body races clean or how another guy races dirty, I came up in the 80s and if you were in someones way you were going down. I remember Howerton and Hannah, that race was epic. Stuff like that happened all the time, even in the 86 Bailey Johnson battle those two hit alot in that race.

Back in my day Holley, Juan Benevidez, Johnny Whelchel and Cris Heisser would take you out at a local race just to get a few more dollars, that was racing. Benevidez cleaned me out horribly at saddleback one time and I didnt bitch.

Todays riders are like the modern day quarterback for the NFL, if you hit them they wine like little girls.[/quote:37y8wc0v]



As i said earlier i like to see some block passing and elbow rubbin' but when you say the riders whine because they get taken out etc. i can see their point. No real comparison to the old days when a few thousand were at stake, now its hundreds of thousands or millions lost if a rider is taken out or crippled for life. It is a very fine line between a bit of rough housing where no one gets hurt and using a bike as a weapon. When a rider pushes to the extent that a person is taken out for a season, life or is killed its a whole new ball game. Thats why there are rules and warnings etc. to prevent things from getting out of control and turning into roller ball. Think about it, if there were no rules it would be just plain crazy.[/quote:37y8wc0v]

I don't see your point. You minimize those riders like Magoo, Shultz, Pomeroy, Lackey and BobbyM who risked life/limb(no pun intended) and those thru out the history of this sport to put it on the map, thus allowing those now to make huge sums of money, who whine and complain, instead of ever thinking of those who put this sport on the map for a few grand and less.

Uptite's right. Can't take the heat, get outta kitchen.[/quote:37y8wc0v]


Yes, that's it! Even better, why bother racing at all? Instead of going straight off the start just ram the guy next to you. Anything goes and the last man standing wins.

:roll:

This is the kind of good old days shite that cracks me up. As Raddad patiently tried to explain it to you - "Think about it, if there were no rules it would be just plain crazy."

OBVIOUSLY, there have to be some rules. How much the rules allow is a balancing act that has to be made between too much and not enough.
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2/26/2008 2:36pm
MX is a contact sport
Always has been
2/26/2008 3:03pm
with raddads thinking all us boys be sucking shlongs right about now. man makes no sense....never has even for a dad.
2/26/2008 3:07pm
[size=200:2kcwyqkt]RUBBIN's RACIN'[/size:2kcwyqkt]
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2/26/2008 3:15pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="Foster576":28tqxl3f][size=200:28tqxl3f]RUBBIN's RACIN'[/size:28tqxl3f][/quote:28tqxl3f]

That's fine. Now define rubbin'.

Put it another way, what would not be allowed on the track? Or is it just anything goes ... a total free-for-all?
2/26/2008 3:23pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="race":wu777lg4][quote="Foster576":wu777lg4][size=200:wu777lg4]RUBBIN's RACIN'[/size:wu777lg4][/quote:wu777lg4]

That's fine. Now define rubbin'.

Put it another way, what would not be allowed on the track? Or is it just anything goes ... a total free-for-all?[/quote:wu777lg4]

Just make the rules the same as a demolition derby and everything will work out just fine!
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I would venture a guess all of the complaining comes from people that have been neutered or are too frightened to actually put their own leg over a bike and ride it, forget actually race it. Some actually rode 20+ years ago but haven't since. Its something like lost in translation. I feel you cant bitch if you don't participate.
2/26/2008 3:29pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="Tiki":2rmughhe]I would venture a guess all of the complaining comes from people that have been neutered or are too frightened to actually put their own leg over a bike and ride it, forget actually race it. Some actually rode 20+ years ago but haven't since. Its something like lost in translation. I feel you cant bitch if you don't participate.[/quote:2rmughhe]
I think you hit the nail on the head right there.
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2/26/2008 3:45pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="Tiki":vdk8332j]I would venture a guess all of the complaining comes from people that have been neutered or are too frightened to actually put their own leg over a bike and ride it, forget actually race it. Some actually rode 20+ years ago but haven't since. Its something like lost in translation. I feel you cant bitch if you don't participate.[/quote:vdk8332j]

So you're fine with anything goes?



You did post the following, did you not?
[quote="Tiki":vdk8332j]Of all the riders I can think of that gets the douche award its him. Cutting the track, [size=200:vdk8332j][b:vdk8332j]taking riders out[/b:vdk8332j][/size:vdk8332j]. This has been going on since his douchness came to America. Without him, there is no drama so you can think of it like that. [size=150:vdk8332j][b:vdk8332j]I dont think anyone will argue his tactics are less then sportsman like[/b:vdk8332j][/size:vdk8332j].[/quote:vdk8332j]
2/26/2008 3:57pm
the pussifying of motocross...thanks pooseys. be proud...be the best poosey you can be.

now please leave.
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2/26/2008 4:00pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="race":1ehtj2jz][quote="Tiki":1ehtj2jz]I would venture a guess all of the complaining comes from people that have been neutered or are too frightened to actually put their own leg over a bike and ride it, forget actually race it. Some actually rode 20+ years ago but haven't since. Its something like lost in translation. I feel you cant bitch if you don't participate.[/quote:1ehtj2jz]

So you're fine with anything goes?



You did post the following, did you not?
[quote="Tiki":1ehtj2jz]Of all the riders I can think of that gets the douche award its him. Cutting the track, [size=200:1ehtj2jz][b:1ehtj2jz]taking riders out[/b:1ehtj2jz][/size:1ehtj2jz]. This has been going on since his douchness came to America. Without him, there is no drama so you can think of it like that. [size=150:1ehtj2jz][b:1ehtj2jz]I dont think anyone will argue his tactics are less then sportsman like[/b:1ehtj2jz][/size:1ehtj2jz].[/quote:1ehtj2jz][/quote:1ehtj2jz]
I am guessing your comprehension is low from your nuts being taken from you, why don't you read this.
[size=200:1ehtj2jz]there is no drama so you can think of it like that.[/size:1ehtj2jz]
We all ride with people we give a wide berth... oh wait. You don't ride do you. Quit pissing so much and go out and ride a bike. Race, I feel you are most guilty of this. Correct me if I'm wrong, when was the last time you rode a dirtbike with a motor?
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2/26/2008 4:16pm
Wow, you're really SENSITIVE ... aren't you.

Actually, you may want to check your own comprehension as I haven't complained at all, merely asked you what you consider acceptable riding. But you're afraid to answer it in this thread yet you complain about it in another.

I did state the obvious though, that you need some balance between how much contact you allow and how much you restrict. Don't feel bad Tiki, everyone else is afraid to admit it as well.

Ride? I rode Sunday practice at the Piru track a week ago. Probably one of three REAL motoheads out there on a 250 smoker. Guess you don't know shit about me.
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2/26/2008 4:48pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="race":3d2kkp98]Wow, you're really SENSITIVE ... aren't you.

Actually, you may want to check your own comprehension as I haven't complained at all, merely asked you what you consider acceptable riding. But you're afraid to answer it in this thread yet you complain about it in another.

I did state the obvious though, that you need some balance between how much contact you allow and how much you restrict. Don't feel bad Tiki, everyone else is afraid to admit it as well.

Ride? I rode Sunday practice at the Piru track a week ago. Probably one of three REAL motoheads out there on a 250 smoker. Guess you don't know shit about me.[/quote:3d2kkp98]
Actually no Im not sensitive, I posted a response to your question. You took that sentence out of context and ignored I said this is drama of racing. People rub, people hit. Im not afraid to admit malicious foul play should be clipped. Thats just safety. I have seen guys ghost ride their bike into other lanes out of anger to hit another rider. As you mentioned the other day. A good ol' punch to the face in the pits usually solves that. Its the sole reason people tune into racing. To see a wreck, a collision a pile up. Sadly to see who wins comes second to that.

Im happy to know you are out riding. That at least answers that question for me and I know now you at least respect what they are racing for. I have ridden Piru, it was called Lemon Grove, shortly after it was closed.

Sorry I don't know shit about you. You didn't send the memo out. Its been noted now.
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2/26/2008 4:55pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:15pm
[quote="race":30ryego0] Probably one of three REAL motoheads out there on a 250 smoker.[/quote:30ryego0]

I see your smoker and I raise you one:

[img:30ryego0]https://mjskier.smugmug.com/photos/190416561_aJZs6-L.jpg[/img:30ryego0]

Do you have one of these too? :D

[img:30ryego0]https://mjskier.smugmug.com/photos/191040006_6d4rw-L-1.jpg[/img:30ryego0]

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