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I have written to several magazines about doing a test of the 144/ 150 against the 250Fs in a real shootout. Well, guess who I received an email from - Jimmy Lewis, editor of Dirt Rider!!!!!!!! Here is what he wrote:
Arrange the bikes? I’ll do it, I’m not scared. You are right about the vocal two-stroke minority, I know this.
But we do lap times as well. We have radar guns. We’ll do it right, you know.
So are we talking stock bikes? Or modified ones? Or a price cap?
Jimmy Lewis
Editor
Dirt Rider Magazine
1733 Alton Parkway
Suite 100
Irvine, CA 92606
949 705 3114
jimmy.lewis@sorc.com
MXA never even bothered to respond! I will be following this for everyone to read. What do ya'll think about stock, modified, price gap, etc?
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On a side note, I'd edit your post to exclude his contact info. He might not want that broadcasted.
They should also both be Yamahas or KTMs to remove big differences in suspension or geometry.
You could get a RPM YZ and RM in their too, but I think having the KTM150 is the most relevant starting point...
The AMA and MXSports should allow this to happen 150 two strokes in the lites class would be perfectly fair.
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I think it is a goddam joke the ama won't let a 144cc 2 stroke compete in the lites class.....oh wait thats because the only company making one is KTM .....true Yamaha makes one as well but it's a half assed effort at best.....on a 4 year old bike. The KTM is at least current in it's stage of developement.
With that said KTM is my hero of the MX bike Mfg's these days not only did they shock the MX world with a domiating all new 350 bike against the 450's but they offer such a wide variety of 4 stroke displacements for a rider to chjoose from, 250f, 350f, 450f, 525f.....and the 2 strokes 85, 150, 250, 300....not to mention their quality is on par if not better than the Japanese bikes these days....not to mention their dominance of the offroad market as well
If none of the Japanese ever grow the balls to make a new current 2 stroke or offer a 350 from now on my dollars will be going to KTM for all new bike purchases seems they actually care what their consumers want not the other way around.
IMO starting with KTM's 2011 lineup the "Big 4" are going to notice a drastic loss of their market share for the forseeable future to KTM....I see a lot of average Big 4 riders/consumers going orange in the future....just you watch it will happen. I admire KTM's business model.
What came first the chicken or the egg?
why would the jap 4 make a 150 2T when there's no class to race it in? and viceversa.
Stock v Stock is the only way.....
Why are you guys comparing the same bikes, when they won't be the same in the actual races? Why are some of you guys that want 2 strokes to race, wanting a comparison, where the 2 stroke may win? A stock or near stock 250F is quite slow. A Pro Circuit modded, no so slow. If the 2 stroke wins, you lose, because they won't allow the bike in. If the comparison is like the current pro ranks, the 250f's aren't even close to what you guys are talking about.
I will add a couple extra notes. The statements made recently were a little incorrect. First, every manufacturer still makes a 250 2 stroke except Honda. It was stated that they don't, which is incorrect, just not shipped to the US. If they were being raced, they would be shipped, which wouldn't cost anything more, since there are already other bikes, snowmobiles, watercrafts etc being shipped. Second, 2 seconds faster a lap on a 250 2 stroke. Although as we also know, recently, a respectable rider wouldn't even have qualified in the 250F class on a Factory backed 250 2 stroke. So the comparison done with Jlaw, may have been as scewed as what you guys are asking for right now. Comparing a stockish bike to a stockish bike. If the test with Jlaw would have had a stock 250 2 stroke and a factory modded 250F, would things have been different?
That said, I'd love to see a comparison. Please don't limit the money spent. Use a one race wonder motor in a 250f. But be sure to add in the cost over a season of use. Even the most highly modded 150 motor will last a few races, and then all you need is rings and maybe a piston. So part of the comparison should be cost of a season for racing either bike.
Running a test this way will help illustrate how ludicrous our sport has become. Is it more fun now than it used to be? No. Is it many times more expensive? Yes. I think the horse left the barn already, but the 2 stroke movement is gaining momentum. Nothing short of a rule change will bring the horse back in the barn, but a test like this could add some momentum to the movement. The racers will need to speak with their wallets, or eventually they won't have anything in them to speak with.
You should take notes Gibby. The smokers are coming back!
KTM 150 versus any or all 250Fs. Basic - basic - basic.
Allow for a pipe and necessary jetting. Stock suspensions with basic tuning.
That's all I can afford on an entry-level budget.
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