Poll: Where does Roczen finish overall this weekend?

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8/23/2024 12:05pm

I would love to see him battle with Deegan at the front

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8/23/2024 12:57pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:

Interesting that they are running KYB from REP on this bike. Seems like Active Ride had the Showa stuff figured out on the 450. 

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8/23/2024 1:22pm
KurtJ99 wrote:
Roczen running 250's got me thinking. It would be cool to see a split moto format (late 80's, early 90's) where all the top guys were in...

Roczen running 250's got me thinking. 

It would be cool to see a split moto format (late 80's, early 90's) where all the top guys were in 250s for 6 rounds and 500s for 6 rounds (250/450 now). Or 5 and 6 for 11 total with SMX. Top tier guys like Deegan, Vialle, Shimoda mix it up with Sexton, Hunter, Jett. Yes, they may get waxed, but it would be great to get an early look at emerging talent. Back then the 125 stars (Ward, O'mara) worked their way into 250/500 and the 125's started to look more like a development class, even with Honda and Suzuki factory riders in 125's. 

Then we could steal the EMX125 idea and go back to two strokes for 11 rounds for a development class; or 250 four stroke combine development class.

Yeah, would take away from two premier classes per day and television and "grow the sport" audience interests. Just seems there should be a 11 round long development class for emerging talent straight out of Loretta's. Top guys in 250's go to 250/450 National Class and developing riders have more of an exposure opportunity with less pressure, but the full exposure to a National series schedule grind.

Actually, how about a Grand National Champ, where at the last SMX all the top 10 of each class combine, and each rider races a 250 moto then a 450 moto. 

Now that would be exciting!

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Big track, way easier to pass than say Budds. Starts top 10, he can podium. Pulls a top 5 start he can battle for the win...

Big track, way easier to pass than say Budds. Starts top 10, he can podium. Pulls a top 5 start he can battle for the win. Its Ken Roczen for Gods sake.

If it was any other bike, I’d be on board with you.  HP is just so important in the 250 class, and that bike has gotten...

If it was any other bike, I’d be on board with you.  HP is just so important in the 250 class, and that bike has gotten zero development in years.  Ironman ain’t exactly flat, either.  Lots of big hills the Kawasakis and Yamahas will be yanking him on.  I hope I’m wrong, because I’m a huge KR fan, but I think the power disadvantage will be too much to overcome.  I’ll be there and can’t wait to see him prove me wrong!

You're going?  Jealous!

I'll keep an eye out for ya on the broadcast, you can't be tough to spot.  😆

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After seeing press day whips... First in our hearts.

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8/23/2024 5:03pm
Rotaholic wrote:

He will have the speed for first and the fitness for 6th

Initially that’s what I thought too, because obviously Roczen isn’t back to peak fitness yet. 
But I don’t think it’ll be as big of disadvantage in the 250 class as it was in 450s. All season we’ve seen Deegan running down the other 250 front runners because they’re not as strong in the second half of the race.

Whatever happens, Roczen’s 250 foray adds some extra interest into Ironman.

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Top 5 overall

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8/23/2024 9:57pm Edited Date/Time 8/23/2024 9:59pm
shortty761 wrote:
Isn’t everyone saying Bar-X is going Yamaha for 2025? Would definitely make that decision more interesting that’s for sure.The Bar-X bikes are at no power disadvantage...

Isn’t everyone saying Bar-X is going Yamaha for 2025? Would definitely make that decision more interesting that’s for sure.


The Bar-X bikes are at no power disadvantage. I’ve seen those bikes hit lines to clear triples that the “more powerful” bikes couldn’t hit. It typically would be the Star bikes and Bar-X 250s sending some harder to clear jumps that others wouldn’t. And maybe one PC bike

you see Star bikes and Bar X hitting big lines? Lol okay. 

Bike is a dog. I’ll be surprised if he cracks top 5. He’s going to get an atrocious start in both motos. 

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shortty761 wrote:
Isn’t everyone saying Bar-X is going Yamaha for 2025? Would definitely make that decision more interesting that’s for sure.The Bar-X bikes are at no power disadvantage...

Isn’t everyone saying Bar-X is going Yamaha for 2025? Would definitely make that decision more interesting that’s for sure.


The Bar-X bikes are at no power disadvantage. I’ve seen those bikes hit lines to clear triples that the “more powerful” bikes couldn’t hit. It typically would be the Star bikes and Bar-X 250s sending some harder to clear jumps that others wouldn’t. And maybe one PC bike

Yamabog wrote:
you see Star bikes and Bar X hitting big lines? Lol okay. Bike is a dog. I’ll be surprised if he cracks top 5. He’s going to...

you see Star bikes and Bar X hitting big lines? Lol okay. 

Bike is a dog. I’ll be surprised if he cracks top 5. He’s going to get an atrocious start in both motos. 

This won't age well

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Yamabog wrote:
you see Star bikes and Bar X hitting big lines? Lol okay. Bike is a dog. I’ll be surprised if he cracks top 5. He’s going to...

you see Star bikes and Bar X hitting big lines? Lol okay. 

Bike is a dog. I’ll be surprised if he cracks top 5. He’s going to get an atrocious start in both motos. 

This won't age well

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Doesn’t say much for the 250 class when people are predicting top five finishes from a rookie and a 30 year old who hasn’t ridden a 250 in ten years.

Seriously though the consistency in the 250’s this year has been atrocious.

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I'm thinking Kenny will surprise a lot of people...even Deegan.

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shortty761 wrote:
Isn’t everyone saying Bar-X is going Yamaha for 2025? Would definitely make that decision more interesting that’s for sure.The Bar-X bikes are at no power disadvantage...

Isn’t everyone saying Bar-X is going Yamaha for 2025? Would definitely make that decision more interesting that’s for sure.


The Bar-X bikes are at no power disadvantage. I’ve seen those bikes hit lines to clear triples that the “more powerful” bikes couldn’t hit. It typically would be the Star bikes and Bar-X 250s sending some harder to clear jumps that others wouldn’t. And maybe one PC bike

Yamabog wrote:
you see Star bikes and Bar X hitting big lines? Lol okay. Bike is a dog. I’ll be surprised if he cracks top 5. He’s going to...

you see Star bikes and Bar X hitting big lines? Lol okay. 

Bike is a dog. I’ll be surprised if he cracks top 5. He’s going to get an atrocious start in both motos. 

O You’ve ridden the bike? Tell us where it’s lacking in a few words.  O wait, no you haven’t.  

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seth505 wrote:

O You’ve ridden the bike? Tell us where it’s lacking in a few words.  O wait, no you haven’t.  

I owned a 19 RMZ 450 it was so horrible I instantly sold it after two rides. You had to put 8 grand into yours just to make it equivalent to a Yamaha. 

 

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8/24/2024 10:40am Edited Date/Time 8/24/2024 10:41am
Rotaholic wrote:

This won't age well

Aging like a fine wine 🍷


I am surprised he got that dog around the front for a bit there. Just shows how great Kenny is 

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8/24/2024 10:41am Edited Date/Time 8/24/2024 10:42am
seth505 wrote:

O You’ve ridden the bike? Tell us where it’s lacking in a few words.  O wait, no you haven’t.  

Yamabog wrote:
I owned a 19 RMZ 450 it was so horrible I instantly sold it after two rides. You had to put 8 grand into yours just...

I owned a 19 RMZ 450 it was so horrible I instantly sold it after two rides. You had to put 8 grand into yours just to make it equivalent to a Yamaha. 

 

What does your old 450 have to do with the 250 Kroc is riding? Lunacy man, calm yoself 😂

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8/24/2024 10:46am

backwards for Roczen 

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t_baum88 wrote:

I'm going like P8-11

 

Hope I'm wrong 

I should’ve tried to get some of you to bet..

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seth505 wrote:

What does your old 450 have to do with the 250 Kroc is riding? Lunacy man, calm yoself 😂

In the 250 class where HP is king the Suzuki is a knife in a gun fight compared to all brands. Lunacy man!

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8/24/2024 11:05am
seth505 wrote:

O You’ve ridden the bike? Tell us where it’s lacking in a few words.  O wait, no you haven’t.  

Yamabog wrote:
I owned a 19 RMZ 450 it was so horrible I instantly sold it after two rides. You had to put 8 grand into yours just...

I owned a 19 RMZ 450 it was so horrible I instantly sold it after two rides. You had to put 8 grand into yours just to make it equivalent to a Yamaha. 

 

seth505 wrote:

What does your old 450 have to do with the 250 Kroc is riding? Lunacy man, calm yoself 😂

Let's see ,his name has Yama in it and his avatar pic is guess what a yamaha. He has probably never been on a suzuki like most that say that they have and complain on here !! Don't bother with him Seth, I just saw Roczen get a top 5 start on the slow/under powered suzuki and powered right up those big uphills.

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8/24/2024 11:42am Edited Date/Time 8/24/2024 11:43am
seth505 wrote:

What does your old 450 have to do with the 250 Kroc is riding? Lunacy man, calm yoself 😂

Yamabog wrote:

In the 250 class where HP is king the Suzuki is a knife in a gun fight compared to all brands. Lunacy man!

You are clearly in the group that believes the Yamaha has horsepower like a twin turbo v8 and no other bike, modified or not, can come within 100 HP of it. Have fun in the land of make believe, it is always fun being silly.

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seth505 wrote:
You are clearly in the group that believes the Yamaha has horsepower like a twin turbo v8 and no other bike, modified or not, can come...

You are clearly in the group that believes the Yamaha has horsepower like a twin turbo v8 and no other bike, modified or not, can come within 100 HP of it. Have fun in the land of make believe, it is always fun being silly.

Im by no means a HP is key guy, but we have seen star bikes jump things with ease that others struggle to jump. Like the uphill double at Spring creek.

When it comes down to one part of the track that can be cleared with one bike that the other can’t that means heaps for the lap times.

But on a track like this (and the more rough it gets) the less the HP comes in to play.

It was not the engine that held Ken back today..

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fading starts

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I thought he'd end up 8th. Do I still win something?

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davistld01 wrote:

I'm thinking Kenny will surprise a lot of people...even Deegan.

Ok…maybe not!

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seth505 wrote:
You are clearly in the group that believes the Yamaha has horsepower like a twin turbo v8 and no other bike, modified or not, can come...

You are clearly in the group that believes the Yamaha has horsepower like a twin turbo v8 and no other bike, modified or not, can come within 100 HP of it. Have fun in the land of make believe, it is always fun being silly.

No one said that. Sorrry your feelings got hurt. Bike is great for you but unfortunately not up to snuff for the 250 class.


Freakin K-Roc could barely ride that turd to crack the top 10.

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8/24/2024 1:57pm Edited Date/Time 8/24/2024 3:02pm
seth505 wrote:
You are clearly in the group that believes the Yamaha has horsepower like a twin turbo v8 and no other bike, modified or not, can come...

You are clearly in the group that believes the Yamaha has horsepower like a twin turbo v8 and no other bike, modified or not, can come within 100 HP of it. Have fun in the land of make believe, it is always fun being silly.

Yamabog wrote:
No one said that. Sorrry your feelings got hurt. Bike is great for you but unfortunately not up to snuff for the 250 class.Freakin K-Roc could...

No one said that. Sorrry your feelings got hurt. Bike is great for you but unfortunately not up to snuff for the 250 class.


Freakin K-Roc could barely ride that turd to crack the top 10.

 Roczen falling off the pace late in the race might have something to do with being off the bike from mid april til late july don't ya think ?? And for what it's worth he was running the leader's pace and passing guy's in the top 5 ( that have been racing  in the 250 class all year )  for the first 2/3rds of both moto's on a bike he just started riding a couple weeks ago.. Quit being a d- bag yamadog

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