Deegan 450?

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If Haiden wins this 250 title does he defend it or move on to a 450 next summer? 

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8/2/2024 4:48am

Wasting his time on 250s. Move up. Staying on a 250 too long slows some of these riders progression.

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8/2/2024 4:59am
Spoonguy wrote:

Wasting his time on 250s. Move up. Staying on a 250 too long slows some of these riders progression.

I’d maybe agree with this if he was winning everything but his results are all over the place. Another year to learn some consistency and to limit the crashing wouldn’t be bad for him. He’s still young…

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I think he should move up like Jett did last year. One more go at 250 SX and then 450 outdoors.

But i get it if he stays down for 2025 and goes full time 450 in 26.

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8/2/2024 5:23am

I’d move up. Look what happened to Jmart. 

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Heck He was just riding a super mini 3 yrs ago—-one more year on a 250, then 450 in 2026. This is more than likely their plan..

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Motofinne wrote:
I think he should move up like Jett did last year. One more go at 250 SX and then 450 outdoors.But i get it if he...

I think he should move up like Jett did last year. One more go at 250 SX and then 450 outdoors.

But i get it if he stays down for 2025 and goes full time 450 in 26.

Run for one sx title and move up. He has that manhandle technique that suits a 450.

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He may be dominating the Mx series but let’s remember he hasn’t won a SX or MX titles. Only championship he’s one is the SMX playoff title. If he was a multi-time champion in either SX/MX  250class then I consider moving him up. Let’s wait to see if he can get this outdoor championship locked up 1st before taking about 450 class. 

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8/2/2024 5:48am
Serg#24 wrote:
He may be dominating the Mx series but let’s remember he hasn’t won a SX or MX titles. Only championship he’s one is the SMX playoff...

He may be dominating the Mx series but let’s remember he hasn’t won a SX or MX titles. Only championship he’s one is the SMX playoff title. If he was a multi-time champion in either SX/MX  250class then I consider moving him up. Let’s wait to see if he can get this outdoor championship locked up 1st before taking about 450 class. 

According to the broadcast that’s the most prestigious title in offroad racing!

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Serg#24 wrote:
He may be dominating the Mx series but let’s remember he hasn’t won a SX or MX titles. Only championship he’s one is the SMX playoff...

He may be dominating the Mx series but let’s remember he hasn’t won a SX or MX titles. Only championship he’s one is the SMX playoff title. If he was a multi-time champion in either SX/MX  250class then I consider moving him up. Let’s wait to see if he can get this outdoor championship locked up 1st before taking about 450 class. 

Rickyisms wrote:

According to the broadcast that’s the most prestigious title in offroad racing!

True he won his world championship first, now he's about to win a national championship, and then he will go for the elusive regional championship. lol

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He is still pretty young. I think he should dominate 250 outdoors for another year, make some money, then move to 450s. He is two years younger than Jett. There is no reason to move up younger than Jett did. This is all assuming he can win 250 East or West in 2025/26.

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8/2/2024 6:03am

He won’t do 4 seasons of regional SX like Jett. 450 in 26 fa sho

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Serg#24 wrote:
He may be dominating the Mx series but let’s remember he hasn’t won a SX or MX titles. Only championship he’s one is the SMX playoff...

He may be dominating the Mx series but let’s remember he hasn’t won a SX or MX titles. Only championship he’s one is the SMX playoff title. If he was a multi-time champion in either SX/MX  250class then I consider moving him up. Let’s wait to see if he can get this outdoor championship locked up 1st before taking about 450 class. 

Rickyisms wrote:

According to the broadcast that’s the most prestigious title in offroad racing!

GrapeApe wrote:

True he won his world championship first, now he's about to win a national championship, and then he will go for the elusive regional championship. lol

Hahahaha!

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Spoonguy wrote:

Wasting his time on 250s. Move up. Staying on a 250 too long slows some of these riders progression.

He's not top 5 speed in sx yet, so there's no rush.

 

Win in 25 sx, go from there.

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8/2/2024 6:56am Edited Date/Time 8/2/2024 6:57am

I would start with nationals on a 450, whether that be in 2025 or 2026.

 

If he wins mx, smx and 25 sx regional then maybe move up for 25 mx. If he gets hurt anywhere in there or doesn't win sx next year I would wait til 26. 

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8/2/2024 7:04am

If he was my kid or my rider I’d say another full year in 250s and if all goes to plan 450 in 26. No reason to rush it. 

Now Drew Adams I don’t get why he is doing another year of futures because he looks ready now. Could be just pc is full. 

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8/2/2024 7:06am

Assuming he wins the outdoor title, I think Yamaha would want him to run the #1 next year on a 250. If it's all the same to him, there's no harm in doing that. 

Tangential question: Do the SMX title holders run #1s during that "series?" In other words, Deegan and Lawrence, purple #1 plates? 

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Falcon wrote:
Assuming he wins the outdoor title, I think Yamaha would want him to run the #1 next year on a 250. If it's all the same...

Assuming he wins the outdoor title, I think Yamaha would want him to run the #1 next year on a 250. If it's all the same to him, there's no harm in doing that. 

Tangential question: Do the SMX title holders run #1s during that "series?" In other words, Deegan and Lawrence, purple #1 plates? 

I believe that will be the case. I think round 1 will be a red plate #1 for Deegan and a purple plate for Jett.

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8/2/2024 7:11am

The career timing is not right for him to move up. 26 will be the year from what I've heard.

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If he was my kid or my rider I’d say another full year in 250s and if all goes to plan 450 in 26. No reason...

If he was my kid or my rider I’d say another full year in 250s and if all goes to plan 450 in 26. No reason to rush it. 

Now Drew Adams I don’t get why he is doing another year of futures because he looks ready now. Could be just pc is full. 

Drew just turned 16 not too long ago. I imagine Pro Circuit and Mitch learned their lesson with AC when it comes to rushing guys pro.

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Motofinne wrote:
I think he should move up like Jett did last year. One more go at 250 SX and then 450 outdoors.But i get it if he...

I think he should move up like Jett did last year. One more go at 250 SX and then 450 outdoors.

But i get it if he stays down for 2025 and goes full time 450 in 26.

oldnescVet wrote:

Run for one sx title and move up. He has that manhandle technique that suits a 450.

I actually think he's going to have to smooth out a bunch on the bigger bike.

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There's decent logic in riding 250 west next year and then if he wins it, moving to 450 outdoors.  He's got decent breaks in there to train and ride the 450...  And they'll know before the "late" SX races if he's in it to win.  That schedule is easier to manage than jumping in 450 for a full season like Hunter did.  What will they do?  No clue...  I suspect we'll find out in a year or 2.  Wink

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8/2/2024 8:41am
Motofinne wrote:
I think he should move up like Jett did last year. One more go at 250 SX and then 450 outdoors.But i get it if he...

I think he should move up like Jett did last year. One more go at 250 SX and then 450 outdoors.

But i get it if he stays down for 2025 and goes full time 450 in 26.

oldnescVet wrote:

Run for one sx title and move up. He has that manhandle technique that suits a 450.

Flatliner wrote:

I actually think he's going to have to smooth out a bunch on the bigger bike.

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I figured tomac would come up,  not many over the years ride a 450 like that, with success.

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Flatliner wrote:

I figured tomac would come up,  not many over the years ride a 450 like that, with success.

False. It’s the most successful style in the history of 450 racing

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You posted three all timers,  congrats.

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You guys crack me up. You always use barcia as an example as to why aggression doesn’t work on a 450 (despite him being a multi time winner), yet you ignore the 100s of wins and 9+ titles the aggro dudes have

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8/2/2024 9:54am Edited Date/Time 8/2/2024 9:54am
Flatliner wrote:

You posted three all timers,  congrats.

Exactly. Almost as if they had something in common. Like their riding style. Do you need me to connect any more dots or

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Everts did ok riding his way,  dungey too.

 

Also villo and james despite the throttle heavy style rode very different.

 

Surprised you're putting deegan with those guys as an example of how to ride a 450.

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8/2/2024 10:02am Edited Date/Time 8/2/2024 10:03am
Flatliner wrote:
Everts did ok riding his way,  dungey too. Also villo and james despite the throttle heavy style rode very different. Surprised you're putting deegan with those guys as...

Everts did ok riding his way,  dungey too.

 

Also villo and james despite the throttle heavy style rode very different.

 

Surprised you're putting deegan with those guys as an example of how to ride a 450.

Yet both of those guys didn’t have much for their aggressive counterparts (RV, Tortelli, Albertyn, etc)

(Although Albee and Seb were two stroke days I guess)

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