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rileymx wrote:
www.fim-moto.com ....... continental unions & national federations.......F.I.M. north america........ Barbados motoring federation, Canada motorcycle association and American motorcyclist association.........  also F.I.M. northamerica and American Motorcyclist Association...

www.fim-moto.com ....... continental unions & national federations.......F.I.M. north america........ Barbados motoring federation, Canada motorcycle association and American motorcyclist association.........

 also F.I.M. northamerica and American Motorcyclist Association have exactly the same official adress.....

i can help you with a lot other issues.......you just have to ask for it !!!!!!

 

The best thing to do when you’ve dug yourself into a hole is to stop digging. 

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Why is it fair for him to get chosen over any of those three if they are the best riders competing in the country they will...

Why is it fair for him to get chosen over any of those three if they are the best riders competing in the country they will represent? Jo doesn’t compete in their domestic series in Japan or the world championship for the federation for which the MXON is affiliated. 

rileymx wrote:
you are a bit confused.......ama promotocross is sanctioned by F.I.M.......Jo shimoda can race the mxdn if picked for the japan team, just like Ken Roczen for...

you are a bit confused.......ama promotocross is sanctioned by F.I.M.......Jo shimoda can race the mxdn if picked for the japan team, just like Ken Roczen for germany or Tom Vialle for france......and that is also the reason usa can compete in the mxdn.....

some americans here pretend that usa is a world apart........ they should wake up and get some information before posting

Beeby wrote:

When did AMA pro motocross become an FIM sanctioned thing?

Early 70s I think....?

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The AMA is the official national federation representative (FMN) for the United States of America in the Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme (FIM), and organizes the US teams and riders for FIM-sanctioned events, including the International Six Day Enduro, Motocross Des Nations and Trials Des Nations.

I don't think it's hard to understand the concept...  The FIM recognizes many different associations around the world for participation in it's events.

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The video is impressive - coming out of the turn, wee turn of handlebar while front wheel still in the air 😮😮😮

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rileymx wrote:
you are a bit confused.......ama promotocross is sanctioned by F.I.M.......Jo shimoda can race the mxdn if picked for the japan team, just like Ken Roczen for...

you are a bit confused.......ama promotocross is sanctioned by F.I.M.......Jo shimoda can race the mxdn if picked for the japan team, just like Ken Roczen for germany or Tom Vialle for france......and that is also the reason usa can compete in the mxdn.....

some americans here pretend that usa is a world apart........ they should wake up and get some information before posting

GrapeApe wrote:
Hey look it's the guy that doesn't know shit about dick but always calls everyone else out (including non-americans) for being uninformed americans. AMA pro motocross...

Hey look it's the guy that doesn't know shit about dick but always calls everyone else out (including non-americans) for being uninformed americans.

AMA pro motocross is not sanctioned by F.I.M.

rileymx wrote:
www.fim-moto.com ....... continental unions & national federations.......F.I.M. north america........ Barbados motoring federation, Canada motorcycle association and American motorcyclist association.........  also F.I.M. northamerica and American Motorcyclist Association...

www.fim-moto.com ....... continental unions & national federations.......F.I.M. north america........ Barbados motoring federation, Canada motorcycle association and American motorcyclist association.........

 also F.I.M. northamerica and American Motorcyclist Association have exactly the same official adress.....

i can help you with a lot other issues.......you just have to ask for it !!!!!!

 

Affiliation and sanction are two completely different things....

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Can’t (tap) ….. press(tap) ……play(tap tap tap tap)

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toroP wrote:

Can’t (tap) ….. press(tap) ……play(tap tap tap tap)

I hit mine with a ball peen hammer and it worked

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what are you guys arguing about …. seriously it’s like a bunch of 13 year old girls in here. 

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what are you guys arguing about …. seriously it’s like a bunch of 13 year old girls in here. 

Yea straight autism

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GrapeApe wrote:
Hey look it's the guy that doesn't know shit about dick but always calls everyone else out (including non-americans) for being uninformed americans. AMA pro motocross...

Hey look it's the guy that doesn't know shit about dick but always calls everyone else out (including non-americans) for being uninformed americans.

AMA pro motocross is not sanctioned by F.I.M.

rileymx wrote:
www.fim-moto.com ....... continental unions & national federations.......F.I.M. north america........ Barbados motoring federation, Canada motorcycle association and American motorcyclist association.........  also F.I.M. northamerica and American Motorcyclist Association...

www.fim-moto.com ....... continental unions & national federations.......F.I.M. north america........ Barbados motoring federation, Canada motorcycle association and American motorcyclist association.........

 also F.I.M. northamerica and American Motorcyclist Association have exactly the same official adress.....

i can help you with a lot other issues.......you just have to ask for it !!!!!!

 

GrapeApe wrote:
Cool thanks for the link. Here is a link to all FIM sanctioned motocross, supercross and supermotocross world championships and secondary championships. https://www.fim-moto.com/en/sports/motocross-supercross-supermoto I can't find...

Cool thanks for the link. Here is a link to all FIM sanctioned motocross, supercross and supermotocross world championships and secondary championships. https://www.fim-moto.com/en/sports/motocross-supercross-supermoto

I can't find any reference to Monster Energy Supercross, Pro Motocross Championship, or Supermotocross Finals. Can you?

 

same reason why you cant find them in the A.M.A. website........does series have been sold by them, and that gives all promotion and management rights to feld and promotocross...... 

like F.I.M. for car racing, F.I.F.A for football, I.T.F. for tennis, U.C.I for cycling, etc........they are the governing bodies of their sport and they regulate those sports so that' there can be a uniform competition worldwide'and by that you can have worldchampionships and olympic games......nowdays its common to see the big competitions being sold to promotors that manage the competitions and all its business but even so the sport is always regulated by the international federation..... F1, motogp, sbk, are also privately managed.....

if A.M.A. wasnt a member of F.I.M., they couldnt issue an international racing licence so that an american could race outside of america......

P.S.  thats the last free one......next time i am charging !!!!!!

 

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rileymx wrote:
www.fim-moto.com ....... continental unions & national federations.......F.I.M. north america........ Barbados motoring federation, Canada motorcycle association and American motorcyclist association.........  also F.I.M. northamerica and American Motorcyclist Association...

www.fim-moto.com ....... continental unions & national federations.......F.I.M. north america........ Barbados motoring federation, Canada motorcycle association and American motorcyclist association.........

 also F.I.M. northamerica and American Motorcyclist Association have exactly the same official adress.....

i can help you with a lot other issues.......you just have to ask for it !!!!!!

 

GrapeApe wrote:
Cool thanks for the link. Here is a link to all FIM sanctioned motocross, supercross and supermotocross world championships and secondary championships. https://www.fim-moto.com/en/sports/motocross-supercross-supermoto I can't find...

Cool thanks for the link. Here is a link to all FIM sanctioned motocross, supercross and supermotocross world championships and secondary championships. https://www.fim-moto.com/en/sports/motocross-supercross-supermoto

I can't find any reference to Monster Energy Supercross, Pro Motocross Championship, or Supermotocross Finals. Can you?

 

rileymx wrote:
same reason why you cant find them in the A.M.A. website........does series have been sold by them, and that gives all promotion and management rights to...

same reason why you cant find them in the A.M.A. website........does series have been sold by them, and that gives all promotion and management rights to feld and promotocross...... 

like F.I.M. for car racing, F.I.F.A for football, I.T.F. for tennis, U.C.I for cycling, etc........they are the governing bodies of their sport and they regulate those sports so that' there can be a uniform competition worldwide'and by that you can have worldchampionships and olympic games......nowdays its common to see the big competitions being sold to promotors that manage the competitions and all its business but even so the sport is always regulated by the international federation..... F1, motogp, sbk, are also privately managed.....

if A.M.A. wasnt a member of F.I.M., they couldnt issue an international racing licence so that an american could race outside of america......

P.S.  thats the last free one......next time i am charging !!!!!!

 

As Don said you're confusing affiliation with sanctioning. You are correct that in order to race in an FIM sanctioned event you must hold a license from an FIM affiliated federation. You are correct that the FIM recognized the AMA as the affiliated federation for the United States. However, that is the AMA in Pickerington, Ohio. The AMA long ago sold the pro motocross series rights (and others) in the US to AMA Pro Racing in Daytona, Florida, who then sold it to Daytona Motorsports Group, also in Daytona, Florida, who leases it to MX Sports who in turn uses AMA Pro Racing (Daytona, not Pickerington) to officiate the series.

The FIM has absolutely zero authority over AMA Pro Racing, Daytona Motorsports Group, or MX Sports.

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GrapeApe wrote:
As Don said you're confusing affiliation with sanctioning. You are correct that in order to race in an FIM sanctioned event you must hold a license...

As Don said you're confusing affiliation with sanctioning. You are correct that in order to race in an FIM sanctioned event you must hold a license from an FIM affiliated federation. You are correct that the FIM recognized the AMA as the affiliated federation for the United States. However, that is the AMA in Pickerington, Ohio. The AMA long ago sold the pro motocross series rights (and others) in the US to AMA Pro Racing in Daytona, Florida, who then sold it to Daytona Motorsports Group, also in Daytona, Florida, who leases it to MX Sports who in turn uses AMA Pro Racing (Daytona, not Pickerington) to officiate the series.

The FIM has absolutely zero authority over AMA Pro Racing, Daytona Motorsports Group, or MX Sports.

then how do you explain that AMAproracing can issue international licenses ???

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Read what I said. Actually read it. No where have I said Jo shouldn’t be selected or isn’t eligible or entitled to. I purely said maybe...

Read what I said. Actually read it. No where have I said Jo shouldn’t be selected or isn’t eligible or entitled to. I purely said maybe Japan wants people that ride in Japan that the fans watch in their country to be the people given the chance to go. Sheesh tough crowd made so much harder if you just decide what I said without looking at all of the words 

Cool.

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bvm111 wrote:

what are you guys arguing about …. seriously it’s like a bunch of 13 year old girls in here. 

yod292 wrote:

Yea straight autism

There are a couple of different conversations happening so I understand how it could be confusing for you two. Let me try to simplify things:

1. Jo Shimoda is not on the Japan MXoN team (MXoN is short for Motocross of Nations)

2. Someone thinks that is only fair since he doesn't race the All Japan Nationals. Others have a different opinion, resulting in discussion.

3. Someone else thinks the FIM sanctions motocross in the US which is loosely related to the topic albeit patently false, resulting in discussion.

4. Then someone posted a cool instagram (social media platform) video of Jo Shimoda, who is the subject of the thread, resulting in discussion.

I hope that helps.

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So did he say no? Im lost here

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WTF ?  We shall take him as ours then. Mister Shimoda, I grant you immigrant status. Put him in coach. 

WTF ?  We shall take him as ours then. Mister Shimoda, I grant you immigrant status. Put him in coach. 

BTW Rup...... Off topic, how is the old 390 powered Ford coming along?

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bvm111 wrote:

what are you guys arguing about …. seriously it’s like a bunch of 13 year old girls in here. 

yod292 wrote:

Yea straight autism

GrapeApe wrote:
There are a couple of different conversations happening so I understand how it could be confusing for you two. Let me try to simplify things: 1...

There are a couple of different conversations happening so I understand how it could be confusing for you two. Let me try to simplify things:

1. Jo Shimoda is not on the Japan MXoN team (MXoN is short for Motocross of Nations)

2. Someone thinks that is only fair since he doesn't race the All Japan Nationals. Others have a different opinion, resulting in discussion.

3. Someone else thinks the FIM sanctions motocross in the US which is loosely related to the topic albeit patently false, resulting in discussion.

4. Then someone posted a cool instagram (social media platform) video of Jo Shimoda, who is the subject of the thread, resulting in discussion.

I hope that helps.

Ok not sanctioned directly but it is indirectly as the AMA is affiliated with FIM.  If AMA Pro Motocross and Supercross were not indirectly sanctioned by the FIM it would be extremely difficult for riders to move between the US and GP series, or even to ride MXoN.

Thats what happened years ago when there was a breakaway series in Canada - all the top riders who participated in the non-sanctioned series couldn’t race the MXoN.

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GrapeApe wrote:
As Don said you're confusing affiliation with sanctioning. You are correct that in order to race in an FIM sanctioned event you must hold a license...

As Don said you're confusing affiliation with sanctioning. You are correct that in order to race in an FIM sanctioned event you must hold a license from an FIM affiliated federation. You are correct that the FIM recognized the AMA as the affiliated federation for the United States. However, that is the AMA in Pickerington, Ohio. The AMA long ago sold the pro motocross series rights (and others) in the US to AMA Pro Racing in Daytona, Florida, who then sold it to Daytona Motorsports Group, also in Daytona, Florida, who leases it to MX Sports who in turn uses AMA Pro Racing (Daytona, not Pickerington) to officiate the series.

The FIM has absolutely zero authority over AMA Pro Racing, Daytona Motorsports Group, or MX Sports.

rileymx wrote:

then how do you explain that AMAproracing can issue international licenses ???

They are sanctioned by the AMA but not FIM...They are the recognized affiliation in the USA with the FIM but do not adhere to FIM rules...you are confusing affiliation with sanctioning....

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GrapeApe wrote:
As Don said you're confusing affiliation with sanctioning. You are correct that in order to race in an FIM sanctioned event you must hold a license...

As Don said you're confusing affiliation with sanctioning. You are correct that in order to race in an FIM sanctioned event you must hold a license from an FIM affiliated federation. You are correct that the FIM recognized the AMA as the affiliated federation for the United States. However, that is the AMA in Pickerington, Ohio. The AMA long ago sold the pro motocross series rights (and others) in the US to AMA Pro Racing in Daytona, Florida, who then sold it to Daytona Motorsports Group, also in Daytona, Florida, who leases it to MX Sports who in turn uses AMA Pro Racing (Daytona, not Pickerington) to officiate the series.

The FIM has absolutely zero authority over AMA Pro Racing, Daytona Motorsports Group, or MX Sports.

rileymx wrote:

then how do you explain that AMAproracing can issue international licenses ???

DonM wrote:
They are sanctioned by the AMA but not FIM...They are the recognized affiliation in the USA with the FIM but do not adhere to FIM rules...you...

They are sanctioned by the AMA but not FIM...They are the recognized affiliation in the USA with the FIM but do not adhere to FIM rules...you are confusing affiliation with sanctioning....

you didnt anwser the question......if so, how can amaproracing issue the international lincenses ?????

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Why is it fair for him to get chosen over any of those three if they are the best riders competing in the country they will...

Why is it fair for him to get chosen over any of those three if they are the best riders competing in the country they will represent? Jo doesn’t compete in their domestic series in Japan or the world championship for the federation for which the MXON is affiliated. 

Rupert X wrote:
Hold up, brah, you see that magical wheelie thingy Jo performed yesterday at that practice track in Michigan ? Check out Instagram and then get back...

Hold up, brah, you see that magical wheelie thingy Jo performed yesterday at that practice track in Michigan ? Check out Instagram and then get back to us. That’s the sickest shit we’ve seen in months. Jo belongs in the MXDN because he’s the world’s best Japanese rider.  

"That’s the sickest shit we’ve seen in months."

That? Seriously? 

Maybe we don't watch the same stuff...

 

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GrapeApe wrote:
As Don said you're confusing affiliation with sanctioning. You are correct that in order to race in an FIM sanctioned event you must hold a license...

As Don said you're confusing affiliation with sanctioning. You are correct that in order to race in an FIM sanctioned event you must hold a license from an FIM affiliated federation. You are correct that the FIM recognized the AMA as the affiliated federation for the United States. However, that is the AMA in Pickerington, Ohio. The AMA long ago sold the pro motocross series rights (and others) in the US to AMA Pro Racing in Daytona, Florida, who then sold it to Daytona Motorsports Group, also in Daytona, Florida, who leases it to MX Sports who in turn uses AMA Pro Racing (Daytona, not Pickerington) to officiate the series.

The FIM has absolutely zero authority over AMA Pro Racing, Daytona Motorsports Group, or MX Sports.

rileymx wrote:

then how do you explain that AMAproracing can issue international licenses ???

The AMA and AMA Pro Racing are two totally separate entities, completely independent of one another.

AMA Pro Racing is not an FIM affiliate and does not issue international licenses.

The AMA is an FIM affiliate and issues international licenses and puts together teams for the ISDE, MXoN, etc.

Other than issuing licenses and putting together teams to participate in FIM events the AMA (and the FIM) has nothing to do with pro motocross racing in the US. The Pro Motocross Championship has its own rules, regulations and enforcement policies.

The FIM does not sanction and does not have any other kind of authority over pro motocross racing in the US.

 

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then how do you explain that AMAproracing can issue international licenses ???

DonM wrote:
They are sanctioned by the AMA but not FIM...They are the recognized affiliation in the USA with the FIM but do not adhere to FIM rules...you...

They are sanctioned by the AMA but not FIM...They are the recognized affiliation in the USA with the FIM but do not adhere to FIM rules...you are confusing affiliation with sanctioning....

rileymx wrote:

you didnt anwser the question......if so, how can amaproracing issue the international lincenses ?????

They don't the AMA does....see Grapes explanation above...now we can get back to our regularly scheduled programming....

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Might be riding for Puerto Rico.   Smile

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Might be riding for Puerto Rico.   

Might be riding for Puerto Rico.   Smile

Laughing

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WTF ?  We shall take him as ours then. Mister Shimoda, I grant you immigrant status. Put him in coach. 

WTF ?  We shall take him as ours then. Mister Shimoda, I grant you immigrant status. Put him in coach. 

dadofagun wrote:

BTW Rup...... Off topic, how is the old 390 powered Ford coming along?

We getting very close, brother. Ordered wood grain vinyl decal kit. Gonna need mufflers and a windshield. I’m stoked. Just got rims n tires on…

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Rupert X wrote:
WTF ?  We shall take him as ours then. Mister Shimoda, I grant you immigrant status. Put him in coach. 

WTF ?  We shall take him as ours then. Mister Shimoda, I grant you immigrant status. Put him in coach. 

dadofagun wrote:

BTW Rup...... Off topic, how is the old 390 powered Ford coming along?

Rupert X wrote:
We getting very close, brother. Ordered wood grain vinyl decal kit. Gonna need mufflers and a windshield. I’m stoked. Just got rims n tires on…

We getting very close, brother. Ordered wood grain vinyl decal kit. Gonna need mufflers and a windshield. I’m stoked. Just got rims n tires on…

Too Damn Cool! 

I’d like to volunteer for “The Wagon Crew” when it’s time to go to A National in THE WAGON.

I’ll pay for the keg.

Manny 

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Jo can only try and carry the team for so many years before it's not worth the effort. 2 years in a row they didn't make the A main. 

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