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6/23/2024 1:50pm
I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. Glen Helen is obviously a legendary track for a National. But it's pretty clear the owner doesn't...

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. Glen Helen is obviously a legendary track for a National. But it's pretty clear the owner doesn't really want a National. If they or he did it would be on the calendar. You can't expect the AMA/ and the people involved with the Nationals to make the type of concessions and give everything the Glenn Helen people are demanding for them to host a National. Every other promoter would step up and demand the same and it would be a shit show. You can say what you want about the Coombs, I think they do what they can when it comes to having a good schedule.

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There are always two sides to the story. I’m interested to hear Bud’s side, before passing judgement. I’ve heard all the rumors, but I guess we...

There are always two sides to the story. I’m interested to hear Bud’s side, before passing judgement. I’ve heard all the rumors, but I guess we have to consider how much money is being made by MX Sports at the end of the day and how much money track owners are making for holding an event, after all of the costs. Add on the improvements to the facility that MX Sports is asking for too. 

* Gate fees/ spectators

* Pit parking costs for racers/ teams

* Parking fees for spectators 

* Concessions/ souvenir sales 

These are some of the major things that bring revenue at the races, that from what I’ve heard are all controlled by MX Sports for the nationals. 

 

I agree with you 100 percent. There's obviously two sides.  However, there is 11 other track owners that are on board with MX sports and if they cater to Glenn Helen's demands the series will implode. There also a hand full of other tracks that would take on a National in a second if they could get a date and be thankful to MX Sports for it. 

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6/23/2024 1:52pm

in case you missed it, Bud lays out the financials on his website:

https://www.glenhelen.com/mx-national

Langhammx wrote:

Thanks for the link, I have not seen this before. But some good info on there 

you're welcome.

what i've thought (and Cooksey touched on) is that I would have ASSUMED that these financials were sorta common knowledge within the rigs, however, if not, the mfgs could get pissed and say "Hang on - you're cleaning house financially DC...we need to talk because we're not buying tickets anymore nor paying entry fees!!!"

Or not, I suppose. The circle is pretty small.

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6/23/2024 2:12pm
I agree with you 100 percent. There's obviously two sides.  However, there is 11 other track owners that are on board with MX sports and if...

I agree with you 100 percent. There's obviously two sides.  However, there is 11 other track owners that are on board with MX sports and if they cater to Glenn Helen's demands the series will implode. There also a hand full of other tracks that would take on a National in a second if they could get a date and be thankful to MX Sports for it. 

Yeah, I understand how Bud can’t be treated any differently than other track owners. 
I guess the real question is, what do these track owners make after the dust settles ? Is it really worth it, or are they just padding MX Sports pockets while they are making a small amount of money in comparison ? 

I honestly don’t know much about the realistic numbers, but it seems that promoting races is very profitable. Owning a motocross track is not, for the most part. I know several owners of tracks and I’m surprised that they continue. They all have real jobs, they could not pay their bills from profit from the track(s). 
 

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6/23/2024 2:15pm

GH don’t need the nationals they’ve got some sort of World Championship happening there every week

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so did ML delete the thread about DC's side of this story?

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DC said it was prematurely posted and was supposed to be in its own post next week, not Racerhead. Should be up next week.

And someone tried to say DC doesn't control moto media lol. 

The creator of a piece of content reaches out and says "Hey, that wasn't supposed to be published / or it has errors, we're pulling it and republishing later". I happily pull it until it's out in proper form. It's a courtesy I would hope someone would do for me if I made a work error.

You'd be amazed how often OEMs screw up PRs and send out redos or pull stuff because it got published at the wrong time.

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in case you missed it, Bud lays out the financials on his website:

https://www.glenhelen.com/mx-national

Langhammx wrote:

Thanks for the link, I have not seen this before. But some good info on there 

you're welcome. what i've thought (and Cooksey touched on) is that I would have ASSUMED that these financials were sorta common knowledge within the rigs, however...

you're welcome.

what i've thought (and Cooksey touched on) is that I would have ASSUMED that these financials were sorta common knowledge within the rigs, however, if not, the mfgs could get pissed and say "Hang on - you're cleaning house financially DC...we need to talk because we're not buying tickets anymore nor paying entry fees!!!"

Or not, I suppose. The circle is pretty small.

The financials on that link are pretty much what I've always been aware of and I'm pretty sure the majority of the industry at the higher level are aware as well. At least with the conversations I've had, most are aware what a promoter pays to hold a national.

I could be wrong here, but I believe MX sports has to pay DMG at least a million a year for the lease of the series.

Again, I could be wrong here, but has anyone ever put out an estimation of what MX Sports is actually making per year on the nationals after all costs are associated? Lease fee to DMG, staffing costs, travel costs for staff, trucks on the road, track crews, insurance, etc etc?

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I agree with you 100 percent. There's obviously two sides.  However, there is 11 other track owners that are on board with MX sports and if...

I agree with you 100 percent. There's obviously two sides.  However, there is 11 other track owners that are on board with MX sports and if they cater to Glenn Helen's demands the series will implode. There also a hand full of other tracks that would take on a National in a second if they could get a date and be thankful to MX Sports for it. 

Langhammx wrote:
Yeah, I understand how Bud can’t be treated any differently than other track owners.  I guess the real question is, what do these track owners make...

Yeah, I understand how Bud can’t be treated any differently than other track owners. 
I guess the real question is, what do these track owners make after the dust settles ? Is it really worth it, or are they just padding MX Sports pockets while they are making a small amount of money in comparison ? 

I honestly don’t know much about the realistic numbers, but it seems that promoting races is very profitable. Owning a motocross track is not, for the most part. I know several owners of tracks and I’m surprised that they continue. They all have real jobs, they could not pay their bills from profit from the track(s). 
 

My understanding is Muddy Creek didn't think it was worth it any longer and now they aren't on the schedule.

I'm not clear on exactly which items on the GH graphic each party is entitled to and what their liabilities are, so if someone could take a few to clarify that maybe it would help others in the same boat. I'm much more familiar with concert promotions and the financials involved there, but most of the time with those the promoter incurred a large financial risk for the potential of a large profit. But if an event was canceled (weather, etc.), they were looking at losing a fortune due the sunk costs (venue rental, advertising costs, etc.) and no way to recoup them at an event that never happened.

Many times the promoter and performers would arrive at a "shared risk" agreement to help even out the potential risks and rewards.

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6/23/2024 2:42pm
ML512 wrote:
The financials on that link are pretty much what I've always been aware of and I'm pretty sure the majority of the industry at the higher...

The financials on that link are pretty much what I've always been aware of and I'm pretty sure the majority of the industry at the higher level are aware as well. At least with the conversations I've had, most are aware what a promoter pays to hold a national.

I could be wrong here, but I believe MX sports has to pay DMG at least a million a year for the lease of the series.

Again, I could be wrong here, but has anyone ever put out an estimation of what MX Sports is actually making per year on the nationals after all costs are associated? Lease fee to DMG, staffing costs, travel costs for staff, trucks on the road, track crews, insurance, etc etc?

That would shed some light on the situation. 

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6/23/2024 2:52pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2024 3:36pm
Langhammx wrote:
There are always two sides to the story. I’m interested to hear Bud’s side, before passing judgement. I’ve heard all the rumors, but I guess we...

There are always two sides to the story. I’m interested to hear Bud’s side, before passing judgement. I’ve heard all the rumors, but I guess we have to consider how much money is being made by MX Sports at the end of the day and how much money track owners are making for holding an event, after all of the costs. Add on the improvements to the facility that MX Sports is asking for too. 

* Gate fees/ spectators

* Pit parking costs for racers/ teams

* Parking fees for spectators 

* Concessions/ souvenir sales 

These are some of the major things that bring revenue at the races, that from what I’ve heard are all controlled by MX Sports for the nationals. 

 

My rough understanding is this:

* Gate fees/ spectators - 100% local promoter (aka Bud)

* Pit parking costs for racers/ teams - no formal charge for anyone that is signed up.  Now one could argue the team season package fee or single local event registration (aka local privateer) could be viewed as a parking fee, but if you are a participant, you can park your rig for free, there is no parking charge for a rider 

* Parking fees for spectators - 100% local promoter (aka Bud)

* Concessions/ souvenir sales - mostly all local promoter (aka Bud), local promoter gets all concessions (food / drink). but local promoter can put in local venders, local dealers and other personal choices, and charge for the vendor space. Prob a rev share or % share on souvenir sales from moto t's to local promoter.

Local promoters also get 100% of camping and amateur ticket sales, all VIP fees as well as whatever local sponsorship money they can solicit.  I would guess many if not all of the established promoters (Hangtown, Colorado, Southwick, Red Bud, Millville, Unadilla, etc) do pretty well - you dont have to be a rocket scientist to add up the numbers. 

It would seem from reading Glen Helen website that Bud was upset about the people who carry season credentials, guys like Jett Lawrence, Lars Lindstrom, and every other member of the “industry” that is there week in and week out. It’s probably 700 (??) people per weekend. That’s just a wild guess, but figure 200 riders, plus girlfriend / family, plus teams and mechanics and everyone else, it is 700-800 people. It sounded like Bud wanted them to pay again and in addition to the season card that is issued for every other event. It sounded like ~1000 passes were reserved for that and he took issue with it?  

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ML512 wrote:
The financials on that link are pretty much what I've always been aware of and I'm pretty sure the majority of the industry at the higher...

The financials on that link are pretty much what I've always been aware of and I'm pretty sure the majority of the industry at the higher level are aware as well. At least with the conversations I've had, most are aware what a promoter pays to hold a national.

I could be wrong here, but I believe MX sports has to pay DMG at least a million a year for the lease of the series.

Again, I could be wrong here, but has anyone ever put out an estimation of what MX Sports is actually making per year on the nationals after all costs are associated? Lease fee to DMG, staffing costs, travel costs for staff, trucks on the road, track crews, insurance, etc etc?

The DMG fee is still $1 million dollars. Weege mentioned it in a video on his personal page sometime last year.

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Langhammx wrote:

Thanks for the link, I have not seen this before. But some good info on there 

you're welcome. what i've thought (and Cooksey touched on) is that I would have ASSUMED that these financials were sorta common knowledge within the rigs, however...

you're welcome.

what i've thought (and Cooksey touched on) is that I would have ASSUMED that these financials were sorta common knowledge within the rigs, however, if not, the mfgs could get pissed and say "Hang on - you're cleaning house financially DC...we need to talk because we're not buying tickets anymore nor paying entry fees!!!"

Or not, I suppose. The circle is pretty small.

ML512 wrote:
The financials on that link are pretty much what I've always been aware of and I'm pretty sure the majority of the industry at the higher...

The financials on that link are pretty much what I've always been aware of and I'm pretty sure the majority of the industry at the higher level are aware as well. At least with the conversations I've had, most are aware what a promoter pays to hold a national.

I could be wrong here, but I believe MX sports has to pay DMG at least a million a year for the lease of the series.

Again, I could be wrong here, but has anyone ever put out an estimation of what MX Sports is actually making per year on the nationals after all costs are associated? Lease fee to DMG, staffing costs, travel costs for staff, trucks on the road, track crews, insurance, etc etc?

That sounds like something an informed insider journalist could or would do, not a know nothing fan.  A fan would just be guessing for much more of the equation than an informed unbiased journalist of the sport.

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My guess is that if the DMG fee is one million, Coombs does indeed gross well north of that logically. For 11 races he gets 100k sanctioning fee alone per race according to the GH financials.

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ML512 wrote:

DC said it was prematurely posted and was supposed to be in its own post next week, not Racerhead. Should be up next week.

And someone tried to say DC doesn't control moto media lol. 

ML512 wrote:
The creator of a piece of content reaches out and says "Hey, that wasn't supposed to be published / or it has errors, we're pulling it...

The creator of a piece of content reaches out and says "Hey, that wasn't supposed to be published / or it has errors, we're pulling it and republishing later". I happily pull it until it's out in proper form. It's a courtesy I would hope someone would do for me if I made a work error.

You'd be amazed how often OEMs screw up PRs and send out redos or pull stuff because it got published at the wrong time.

You're a good dude Michael. I was just busting your balls because it was ironic timing. 

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It would be interesting to know exactly how the money flows in this sport, and it’s semi-surprising that no “journalist” has taken the time to dig for this dirt. But tbh, what would the audience/readers do with this knowledge? It would, at most, fan the flames on discussion boards and podcasts… and that’s it. So it’s fairly pointless for someone in the moto media to burn bridges trying to bird dog a story no one wants to tell.

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It would be interesting to know exactly how the money flows in this sport, and it’s semi-surprising that no “journalist” has taken the time to dig...

It would be interesting to know exactly how the money flows in this sport, and it’s semi-surprising that no “journalist” has taken the time to dig for this dirt. But tbh, what would the audience/readers do with this knowledge? It would, at most, fan the flames on discussion boards and podcasts… and that’s it. So it’s fairly pointless for someone in the moto media to burn bridges trying to bird dog a story no one wants to tell.

Not surprising, all of the "journalists" are too afraid of being blacklisted 

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It would be interesting to know exactly how the money flows in this sport, and it’s semi-surprising that no “journalist” has taken the time to dig...

It would be interesting to know exactly how the money flows in this sport, and it’s semi-surprising that no “journalist” has taken the time to dig for this dirt. But tbh, what would the audience/readers do with this knowledge? It would, at most, fan the flames on discussion boards and podcasts… and that’s it. So it’s fairly pointless for someone in the moto media to burn bridges trying to bird dog a story no one wants to tell.

But it would generate a bunch of clicks... and isn't that what drives content these days?

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It would be interesting to know exactly how the money flows in this sport, and it’s semi-surprising that no “journalist” has taken the time to dig...

It would be interesting to know exactly how the money flows in this sport, and it’s semi-surprising that no “journalist” has taken the time to dig for this dirt. But tbh, what would the audience/readers do with this knowledge? It would, at most, fan the flames on discussion boards and podcasts… and that’s it. So it’s fairly pointless for someone in the moto media to burn bridges trying to bird dog a story no one wants to tell.

JazzyJJ wrote:

Not surprising, all of the "journalists" are too afraid of being blacklisted 

Yes and that in and of itself is so amateur that “professionals” (I use that term very very loosely) operate the industry in such a high school fashion.  

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wish this one got bumped to dumgeon its accomplished nothing..and cocksey at this point is taking the crown as the most annoying person associated with mx...

wish this one got bumped to dumgeon its accomplished nothing..and cocksey at this point is taking the crown as the most annoying person associated with mx and thats pretty hard to accomplish

Are you serious? There is actual discussion going on in here about many different topics. 

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Langhammx wrote:

Thanks for the link, I have not seen this before. But some good info on there 

you're welcome. what i've thought (and Cooksey touched on) is that I would have ASSUMED that these financials were sorta common knowledge within the rigs, however...

you're welcome.

what i've thought (and Cooksey touched on) is that I would have ASSUMED that these financials were sorta common knowledge within the rigs, however, if not, the mfgs could get pissed and say "Hang on - you're cleaning house financially DC...we need to talk because we're not buying tickets anymore nor paying entry fees!!!"

Or not, I suppose. The circle is pretty small.

ML512 wrote:
The financials on that link are pretty much what I've always been aware of and I'm pretty sure the majority of the industry at the higher...

The financials on that link are pretty much what I've always been aware of and I'm pretty sure the majority of the industry at the higher level are aware as well. At least with the conversations I've had, most are aware what a promoter pays to hold a national.

I could be wrong here, but I believe MX sports has to pay DMG at least a million a year for the lease of the series.

Again, I could be wrong here, but has anyone ever put out an estimation of what MX Sports is actually making per year on the nationals after all costs are associated? Lease fee to DMG, staffing costs, travel costs for staff, trucks on the road, track crews, insurance, etc etc?

It's not DC's content.... it's gypsy tales. But ok.

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you're welcome. what i've thought (and Cooksey touched on) is that I would have ASSUMED that these financials were sorta common knowledge within the rigs, however...

you're welcome.

what i've thought (and Cooksey touched on) is that I would have ASSUMED that these financials were sorta common knowledge within the rigs, however, if not, the mfgs could get pissed and say "Hang on - you're cleaning house financially DC...we need to talk because we're not buying tickets anymore nor paying entry fees!!!"

Or not, I suppose. The circle is pretty small.

ML512 wrote:
The financials on that link are pretty much what I've always been aware of and I'm pretty sure the majority of the industry at the higher...

The financials on that link are pretty much what I've always been aware of and I'm pretty sure the majority of the industry at the higher level are aware as well. At least with the conversations I've had, most are aware what a promoter pays to hold a national.

I could be wrong here, but I believe MX sports has to pay DMG at least a million a year for the lease of the series.

Again, I could be wrong here, but has anyone ever put out an estimation of what MX Sports is actually making per year on the nationals after all costs are associated? Lease fee to DMG, staffing costs, travel costs for staff, trucks on the road, track crews, insurance, etc etc?

It's not DC's content.... it's gypsy tales. But ok.

I don’t get your comment in reply to the ML post. 

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I agree with you 100 percent. There's obviously two sides.  However, there is 11 other track owners that are on board with MX sports and if...

I agree with you 100 percent. There's obviously two sides.  However, there is 11 other track owners that are on board with MX sports and if they cater to Glenn Helen's demands the series will implode. There also a hand full of other tracks that would take on a National in a second if they could get a date and be thankful to MX Sports for it. 

Langhammx wrote:
Yeah, I understand how Bud can’t be treated any differently than other track owners.  I guess the real question is, what do these track owners make...

Yeah, I understand how Bud can’t be treated any differently than other track owners. 
I guess the real question is, what do these track owners make after the dust settles ? Is it really worth it, or are they just padding MX Sports pockets while they are making a small amount of money in comparison ? 

I honestly don’t know much about the realistic numbers, but it seems that promoting races is very profitable. Owning a motocross track is not, for the most part. I know several owners of tracks and I’m surprised that they continue. They all have real jobs, they could not pay their bills from profit from the track(s). 
 

Considering how much work the owner of each track has to put in to get ready for the national, host it, and then clean up......It has to be a great event for them.  

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ML512 wrote:
The financials on that link are pretty much what I've always been aware of and I'm pretty sure the majority of the industry at the higher...

The financials on that link are pretty much what I've always been aware of and I'm pretty sure the majority of the industry at the higher level are aware as well. At least with the conversations I've had, most are aware what a promoter pays to hold a national.

I could be wrong here, but I believe MX sports has to pay DMG at least a million a year for the lease of the series.

Again, I could be wrong here, but has anyone ever put out an estimation of what MX Sports is actually making per year on the nationals after all costs are associated? Lease fee to DMG, staffing costs, travel costs for staff, trucks on the road, track crews, insurance, etc etc?

Come on it’s not like DC is posting photos in Private Jets, Island Resorts, and a driveway full of Lamborghinis and Bentleys. I’m sure he makes some $$ but it’s likely well deserved. The man does be out on the track getting his hands dirty driving stakes and fixing banners. You don’t see that in too many other sports. The likes of Dana White gets to pay himself a salary of $20m per year before including all the other $$ he makes. DC be lucky to be making 1/40 of that I’d imagine. 

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There seems to be this weird attitude of "we went there for 2 years and didn't make 10x profit, time to dump em."  Outside of core...

There seems to be this weird attitude of "we went there for 2 years and didn't make 10x profit, time to dump em." 

Outside of core moto fans there was absolutely zero promoting for Freestone. Not to mention Blountville, TN is in the middle of absolutely nowhere. 

I don't even know if Swan MX would even be interested in hosting. But, the infrastructure is there. Tyler is a medium sized city. It's only 2 hours from Dallas the whole drive is on a major interstate (I-20). 1.5 hours from Shreveport. 3 hours from Houston. There are plenty of hotel rooms and amenities. Good elevation for fans to see the track, a lot of trees for shade. 

But ya, MX Sports would need to promote it and invest for a few years. Can't just expect to flip a profit immediately. 

Utah was just a terrible track. 

The new'ish owners of Swan are VERY interested in hosting a national. 

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It would be interesting to know exactly how the money flows in this sport, and it’s semi-surprising that no “journalist” has taken the time to dig...

It would be interesting to know exactly how the money flows in this sport, and it’s semi-surprising that no “journalist” has taken the time to dig for this dirt. But tbh, what would the audience/readers do with this knowledge? It would, at most, fan the flames on discussion boards and podcasts… and that’s it. So it’s fairly pointless for someone in the moto media to burn bridges trying to bird dog a story no one wants to tell.

But it would generate a bunch of clicks... and isn't that what drives content these days?

Good point. Unfortunately…

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I agree with you 100 percent. There's obviously two sides.  However, there is 11 other track owners that are on board with MX sports and if...

I agree with you 100 percent. There's obviously two sides.  However, there is 11 other track owners that are on board with MX sports and if they cater to Glenn Helen's demands the series will implode. There also a hand full of other tracks that would take on a National in a second if they could get a date and be thankful to MX Sports for it. 

Langhammx wrote:
Yeah, I understand how Bud can’t be treated any differently than other track owners.  I guess the real question is, what do these track owners make...

Yeah, I understand how Bud can’t be treated any differently than other track owners. 
I guess the real question is, what do these track owners make after the dust settles ? Is it really worth it, or are they just padding MX Sports pockets while they are making a small amount of money in comparison ? 

I honestly don’t know much about the realistic numbers, but it seems that promoting races is very profitable. Owning a motocross track is not, for the most part. I know several owners of tracks and I’m surprised that they continue. They all have real jobs, they could not pay their bills from profit from the track(s). 
 

I have a little bit of knowledge of one national track. My understanding is that the national basically covered overhead for the year and profit is made on local races. 

It is not cheap to put on a national where as a local race only needs a few porta potties and a flagging crew.

I recall hearing a number around $40k net for the national. 

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I have a little bit of knowledge of one national track. My understanding is that the national basically covered overhead for the year and profit is...

I have a little bit of knowledge of one national track. My understanding is that the national basically covered overhead for the year and profit is made on local races. 

It is not cheap to put on a national where as a local race only needs a few porta potties and a flagging crew.

I recall hearing a number around $40k net for the national. 

Thanks for sharing. That’s a lot of work on a track for that kind of profit. 
I would love to know what MX Sports makes off each race on average. It’s got to be double/ triple that, I’d think

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Come on it’s not like DC is posting photos in Private Jets, Island Resorts, and a driveway full of Lamborghinis and Bentleys. I’m sure he makes...

Come on it’s not like DC is posting photos in Private Jets, Island Resorts, and a driveway full of Lamborghinis and Bentleys. I’m sure he makes some $$ but it’s likely well deserved. The man does be out on the track getting his hands dirty driving stakes and fixing banners. You don’t see that in too many other sports. The likes of Dana White gets to pay himself a salary of $20m per year before including all the other $$ he makes. DC be lucky to be making 1/40 of that I’d imagine. 

No doubt about Davey working hard, he is in the trenches with it all from what I’ve seen personally. 
Nobody can argue that … he’s not afraid to get his hands dirty. 

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i dont get the hate on DC and the family business,  they create big events that draw huge competitor numbers, how i that a bad thing?

i mean they have to turn away riders at the outdoor nationals,  how many MX events in the world have that issue, 

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I have a little bit of knowledge of one national track. My understanding is that the national basically covered overhead for the year and profit is...

I have a little bit of knowledge of one national track. My understanding is that the national basically covered overhead for the year and profit is made on local races. 

It is not cheap to put on a national where as a local race only needs a few porta potties and a flagging crew.

I recall hearing a number around $40k net for the national. 

Langhammx wrote:
Thanks for sharing. That’s a lot of work on a track for that kind of profit.  I would love to know what MX Sports makes off...

Thanks for sharing. That’s a lot of work on a track for that kind of profit. 
I would love to know what MX Sports makes off each race on average. It’s got to be double/ triple that, I’d think

For sure a ton of work. Certainly comes with other benefits besides cash. Great marketing, facility upgrades, LL qualifiers/regionals, etc. 

I’d think so too. NBC deal may be quite the multiplier. DC made it sound like quite a nothing burger to toss away a national and Monster Cup. 

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