No Penalty for Sexton?

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Goes outside the barrier and clearly off the track and not penalized. Give Tom his points back. 

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6/15/2024 2:24pm Edited Date/Time 6/15/2024 2:33pm

Rules state that if you gain an advantage off the track, you can be penalized. I don't think he gained an advantage.

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Calm down, he didnt do anything wrong. Isn't remotely same situation.

He should have let of and rolled. (backwards 😂) and risk getting landed on with a blind backside?

It's dust flying not dirt. 

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Big E wrote:

Goes outside the barrier and clearly off the track and not penalized. Give Tom his points back. 

The smart thing would have been to let Jett by and then pass him again rather then rely on luck and Decosters homies at AMA.

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you guys need to stop it with this nonsense … it’s so lame. 

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bvm111 wrote:

you guys need to stop it with this nonsense … it’s so lame. 

Agree

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6/15/2024 3:05pm

I would of thought a penalty for Anderson would be more appropriate.

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I would of thought a penalty for Anderson would be more appropriate.

For what? Being so stupid on track that he let Sexton pass him because he felt the need to mess with Jett?.

 

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6/15/2024 3:11pm

Anyone have the video of his second crash in Moto 2 where he does cut the track?

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I saw Jett hit a marker taking off a jump should he loose a position every time his tire hits it?

IMO its a stupid rule for anything other than bypassing a Supercross woop section.

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lumpy790 wrote:
I saw Jett hit a marker taking off a jump should he loose a position every time his tire hits it? IMO its a stupid rule...

I saw Jett hit a marker taking off a jump should he loose a position every time his tire hits it?

IMO its a stupid rule for anything other than bypassing a Supercross woop section.

The problem is when you make a misstake and can get out of it square even as long as ”you don’t gain an advantage”. 
 

Sexton made a misstake, then cut the track and that made him SAVE time, His misstake was not as costly as it could have been if he stayed on track and had to ride a longer route.

In moto gp if you make a misstake and go off track (don’t matter if you even loose time by doing it) you have to make sure you loose one second in that sector or else you get a long lap penalty next lap. 
 

If you go off track you should loose time, not just focus on not gaining an advantage. Sexton did it the right way at Pala, this time he was so eager to keep the lead so he pinned it. 
 

It’s a rule that need to be looked over since it’s to much of a grey zone how AMA choose to implement it.

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In the spur of a moment Sexton and others are running off the track trying to avoid a collision or after being cross rutted or swapping out of controle. It is not faster to go off the track it takes time to correct the direction they were headed and head back on the track in a safe location where they are not endangering anyone from being landed on top of like happened in practice.

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lumpy790 wrote:
In the spur of a moment Sexton and others are running off the track trying to avoid a collision or after being cross rutted or swapping...

In the spur of a moment Sexton and others are running off the track trying to avoid a collision or after being cross rutted or swapping out of controle. It is not faster to go off the track it takes time to correct the direction they were headed and head back on the track in a safe location where they are not endangering anyone from being landed on top of like happened in practice.

I can promise you that it would have taken Sexton a lot more time to try to keep it on track than what it did to just jump to the right and pinn it.

Im not arguing about not being able to go off track, but if you choose to, you better loose a healthy bit of time doing it..

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lumpy790 wrote:
In the spur of a moment Sexton and others are running off the track trying to avoid a collision or after being cross rutted or swapping...

In the spur of a moment Sexton and others are running off the track trying to avoid a collision or after being cross rutted or swapping out of controle. It is not faster to go off the track it takes time to correct the direction they were headed and head back on the track in a safe location where they are not endangering anyone from being landed on top of like happened in practice.

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I can promise you that it would have taken Sexton a lot more time to try to keep it on track than what it did to...

I can promise you that it would have taken Sexton a lot more time to try to keep it on track than what it did to just jump to the right and pinn it.

Im not arguing about not being able to go off track, but if you choose to, you better loose a healthy bit of time doing it..

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6/15/2024 6:24pm Edited Date/Time 6/15/2024 6:27pm
Tumic wrote:

For what? Being so stupid on track that he let Sexton pass him because he felt the need to mess with Jett?.

 

If he wanted to be a dick he could have knocked him down. Pretty sure he knew he was getting passed by both of them.

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Tumic wrote:

For what? Being so stupid on track that he let Sexton pass him because he felt the need to mess with Jett?.

 

MxAddic wrote:

If he wanted to be a dick he could have knocked him down. Pretty sure he knew he was getting passed by both of them.

I think we all saw that Ando managed to be a dick without knocking Jett down.

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MxAddic wrote:

If he wanted to be a dick he could have knocked him down. Pretty sure he knew he was getting passed by both of them.

I don’t think what he did was dirty, just stupid. He made a fool out of himself in that corner but it was still cleaner than most of Andersons riding. 
 

Just shaked my head and thought, that’s Anderson allright…

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Tumic wrote:
I don’t think what he did was dirty, just stupid. He made a fool out of himself in that corner but it was still cleaner than...

I don’t think what he did was dirty, just stupid. He made a fool out of himself in that corner but it was still cleaner than most of Andersons riding. 
 

Just shaked my head and thought, that’s Anderson allright…

Not nearly the fool Hunta made of himself taking someone wide from a lap down…

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6/16/2024 8:21am Edited Date/Time 6/16/2024 2:07pm

THe Aussi  brothers are scared of Anderson and Barcia,but then again so am I and I'm not even on the track with them.Cool  ​​​​​​Whistling

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lumpy790 wrote:
I saw Jett hit a marker taking off a jump should he loose a position every time his tire hits it? IMO its a stupid rule...

I saw Jett hit a marker taking off a jump should he loose a position every time his tire hits it?

IMO its a stupid rule for anything other than bypassing a Supercross woop section.

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The problem is when you make a misstake and can get out of it square even as long as ”you don’t gain an advantage”.    Sexton...

The problem is when you make a misstake and can get out of it square even as long as ”you don’t gain an advantage”. 
 

Sexton made a misstake, then cut the track and that made him SAVE time, His misstake was not as costly as it could have been if he stayed on track and had to ride a longer route.

In moto gp if you make a misstake and go off track (don’t matter if you even loose time by doing it) you have to make sure you loose one second in that sector or else you get a long lap penalty next lap. 
 

If you go off track you should loose time, not just focus on not gaining an advantage. Sexton did it the right way at Pala, this time he was so eager to keep the lead so he pinned it. 
 

It’s a rule that need to be looked over since it’s to much of a grey zone how AMA choose to implement it.

MX isn't MotoGP....I saw Herlings go off the track today and go to the inside and he wasn't penalized....not just an AMA problem

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I'm just here to down vote OP. Carry on. 

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DonM wrote:

MX isn't MotoGP....I saw Herlings go off the track today and go to the inside and he wasn't penalized....not just an AMA problem

They created their own problem by not requiring the riders to have to re-enter where they went off and not implementing penalties consistantly. Lets see if they can fix it.

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He was off for a tenth of a second……..give me a dam break. No chance in hell than was a make or break situation in that moto.

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Since there are various reasons a rider goes off track (forced off by another rider, avoiding a downed rider, or a mistake) the rule has to be flexible but it also needs to be enforced consistently.

At the moment, the rule as written is fairly inflexible which pushes it to the marshalls (which would be ok) if they were more transparent about their decisions.  There's no reason for us to even debate this if they'd just eliminate the "appearance of impropriety".Wink

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My simple rule change would end all the controversy. If a rider goes off the track he must ride at a slower pace until he is passed for position by the rider behind (not a lapped rider) him passes him after he is passed he may resume racing. End of all this crap. 

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Mit12 wrote:
My simple rule change would end all the controversy. If a rider goes off the track he must ride at a slower pace until he is...

My simple rule change would end all the controversy. If a rider goes off the track he must ride at a slower pace until he is passed for position by the rider behind (not a lapped rider) him passes him after he is passed he may resume racing. End of all this crap. 

And then a rider is 30 seconds ahead of the guy behind him, he has to wait stop for 30 seconds to lose that position? Yeah ok.

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Its racing.

Going off track is already Forcing its own time penalty so now you want them to stop turn around and go back to the exact spot they went off the track endangering everyone when they pull on the track to make a U turn getting T boned?

Smart rule for rollerball.

Cool you want to win? Just Run everyone off the track and your golden. 

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Mit12 wrote:
My simple rule change would end all the controversy. If a rider goes off the track he must ride at a slower pace until he is...

My simple rule change would end all the controversy. If a rider goes off the track he must ride at a slower pace until he is passed for position by the rider behind (not a lapped rider) him passes him after he is passed he may resume racing. End of all this crap. 

Is this a joke ?

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MxAddic wrote:
They created their own problem by not requiring the riders to have to re-enter where they went off and not implementing penalties consistantly. Lets see if...

They created their own problem by not requiring the riders to have to re-enter where they went off and not implementing penalties consistantly. Lets see if they can fix it.

Just telling how other racing series have solved the problem.. But i guess that MX has NOTHING to learn from other motorsports…

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Turning around and going back to the spot where they exited is not always practical or safe. I like the idea that the rider should have to come to a complete stop before re-entering in the closest, safest spot. That way there is a fairly consistent time penalty that is relatively easy to police. What they're doing now is far too subjective.

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