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The tracks have been awesome these last two weekends. This track prep is so much better! Such great racing!! #alittledustisok 
I think they're reading and seeing this stuff..
I just hope these amature promotors take notice too.
It would be amazing if every track followed Ironman’s lead and primarily fixed the outsides in between motos. It really opens up the track since, as we all know, the torque and traction of modern 4 strokes has made insides the preferred line in most situations
A choppy, rutty inside and a fast/smooth-ish outside all but eliminates the “funnel” effect
I never noticed. Iron Man looks like a really good facility. Although I'm thinking Thunder may be the best for racing in the entire series.
Maybe they’ll take notice for sx too?
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Hopefully the trend will hit local tracks! Rode today, watered and ripped super deep, peg deep ruts through out 3/4 of the track. I’m too old for that shit!
Come to Socal if you like dust and hard-pack. We've got you covered
What they need to do is stop making track changes between races.
Sure smooth out some of the ruts and bumps but quit adjusting the obstacles
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Agreed, this prep allows the riders to move around and use majority of the track. Kudos for them listening as the racing has been great.
I’m in agreement with all and loving these tracks to watch for racing. However. if I’m riding a track, the deeper and wetter the better. Anytime a local track hardly rips it or doesn’t water enough I enjoy it way less. When they rip it super deep and soak the hell outta it I love it.
But that is Rut-o-Cross
Maybe we can have 2 series, one where everyone gets to use all the track, and one where they just blast a foot wide groove round the track that everyone has to use.
All they need to do now id leave the start straight the fuck alone, so you can use the tyre the track needs , not just pick one to get off the gate.
If we had this track prep when Tomac spannered himself and did his shoulders, he wouldnt have crashed.
When a track is over watered to the point where its a single groove of dry, i check out, and pack up. I am sure that in the UK there are people that water just to charge for it.
I have liked the track prep, but interestingly all 3 450 podium guys said they didn't love the track prep and would prefer it deeper.
You must be from the West Coast? Be careful what you ask for because slot car tracks get old fast.
Yeah I'm out on that. Bring on the dust.
Never ridden a track outside of Washington Oregon or California! Here are two photos of the exact same corner at Hangtown, bottom of big Moe. The smooth one I took at this years race, the other photo is how it looks when soaked and ripped deep. I’m taking that rutted corner over the flat one all day, I like the challenge of riding that vs trying to flat track a hard dry corner.
Yep, I raced Saddleback and Carlsbad......can you say "blue groove"?
And people wonder why MX riders are giving up, that is just an injury waiting to happen, either a knee, or a highside or a crash cos yare 6 inches off line.
I back myself to go as fast as i can, and not crash , pretty much all the time, but when the tracks are like that , there is zero fun or enjoyment to be had in the race, passing a guy cos he picked the wrong rut isnt racing,
Ruts are not lines.
If it rains and that is what nature gave us, then fine, but ripping and watering to achieve that , is why all our gates here in the UK are half empty in the series that do it, because you cant ride just a bit out of place without wiping out, fuck me, we even have people crash on straights when it should just be riding form one turn to another.
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I'll take the dry flat one...
My issue is when the straights have 7-8 long ruts across the whole thing. Makes me feel uneasy trying to make sure im lined up and have to maintain it while trying to go fast.
3-5 ruts in a corner don't bother me.
The perfect solution can only be had at track with enough space for a main and a vet track because some peeps like it deep/rutty and some like it dry and hard. There is no right answer because right depends on who you ask. Passing a guy because you have better balance and skills is a lot easier in the bottom pick and that’s more racing to me. Anyone can pin it on a flat baked corner. Back to my original point, I’m liking these last two tracks to watch, I’d just personally be really sad if this trend caught on and all our local tracks were hard and baked out.
That’s slot car racing . Boring as fuck .
My thoughts as well. Im down for some peg draggers in corners but not the entire wau around track
Man I had that exact same thought this weekend at my local place: a little dust, YES!
So much better than the usual self-inflicted mudder.
For every guy that likes it 'rutty and deep' there are 5 that would rather not ride .
You probably like chipped bark too.
There isnt a track within 50 miles of me that i would go ride for fun, i would rather go 100 miles to race with folk that know how to prep a track you can race on. People who understand that berms are piled up surface dirt, and not a foot deep .
Damn you bois are getting soft as fuck. Ruts are what separates the men from the boys lmao
What’s a berm?!? I joke but I genuinely cannot recall the last time I saw one that wasn’t man-made… Not since possibly 2019.
Every single track I’ve raced on up in the South West of the country is ripped about three ft deep and ruts up like fuck every week. They aren’t even good ruts, because it’s a club meeting and everyone is slow and shit so it’s hexagonal almost upright stuff which then links to the next corner and the next and so on. I’ve not ridden a club meeting now since blowing my ACL on a soaking wet ripped track with stupid camel-back jumps last year, at 44 I’m over it now and just want to ride stuff I’ll enjoy.
Edit: The racing was better this weekend, it was great seeing all the different line choices.
Racing Outdoors is ruts.
IMO Ruts thin out the riders from everyone going the same speed and playing follow the leader to riders making mistakes and passing. 100% better racing!
I hadn’t really raced on a rutty track until I went to Sleepy Hollow in PA. It was challenging and I learned a lot going from being afraid of them till I started just railing through them. Ruts make riders better.
Its a mind game between your head and your wrist.
a few years ago nationals stopped tilling the tracks as much and racing sucked and it showed when it hurt USA at the MXoN when our riders couldn’t do it as well as GR regulars.
It doesn't have to be all one or the other. A varied track prep could be an amazing track to race. Some parts deep. Some not. Leave a few corners where flat tracking it wide open can pay off. Some rutted sections.
You know, like natural tracks used to be.
This guy gets it. Variety is good. I want to see one track ripped elbows deep and the next hard packed not groomed after practice. Even variety on the same track. Rip half of the track and not the other. Let's really push the teams on bike set ups.
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