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I've mentioned this before when the topic of avoiding sales tax by buying out of state comes up, but I'll repeat it in case it saves someone some serious heartburn - thoroughly research the topic beforehand to potentially avoid paying a lot more than the sales tax.
There were a lot of dealers using this as a sales tactic in the Southeastern US about 20 years ago and the loss of sales tax revenue was large enough to get noticed by the DOR in these states. They collaborated with each other and audited the dealers. Most (if not all) of the states have "use tax" clause in their tax code that requires buyers of out of state items that are not taxed at the time of purchase to delcare the item and pay the sales tax to the state where they reside. Failure to do so can result in resident state DOR sending a nastygram to the purchaser (sometimes many years later, as there is no sunset clause on the debt) informing them that they owe a significant amount in back taxes, penalites and interest that have accrued since the date of purchase. I've seen an original tax bill of a few hundred become several thousand by the time they get done with their pound-of-flesh magical math, as they treat these people as tax evaders and do their best to throw the book at them.
So, it's up to the buyer to either know in advance or risk paying an exhorbitant amount later... and then being on their radar forever.
Risk versus reward - it's an individual choice.
Hope it helps someone.
Pretty sure it comes down to the state laws…
nowadays NC charges tax on internet sales when buying parts online
On most vehicles (dirt bikes) you are required to pay sales tax when you register/title the unit. You can buy a bike out of state and not pay sales tax, but when you get it home you will need to pay tax when you register it.
That's why I said to thoroughly research the topic, as laws vary from state to state... but one thing that doesn't is that the excuse "I didn't know" doesn't work with them.
And the 2018 Supreme Court case of South Dakota v. Wayfair allows states to tax online retailers, even if the sellers have no physical presence in state. So, every state that I'm aware of requires online sellers to collect the sales tax due in the state in which the buyer resides. That's why everyone started paying taxes on RMATV and eBay a few years back when they hadn't before.
Again, it varies from locale to locale, so know what's required where you live.
Just trying to help.
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I think that’s a federal thing but I could be wrong. Point being is NC dealer wouldn’t need to charge an out of state cash buyer sales tax at time of sale, because theoretically they will pay it when they register it in their home state. Weather they decide to register it and pay tax at that point is on the individual, and the disclosures of horror stories are above.
I’m not going to delve any deeper as it really doesn’t matter, everyone is free to do as they choose.
The state I live in doesn't require titling or registration of dirt bikes but does require the buyer to declare and pay sales tax on out of state purchases in the amount that would be due for the county they live in, unless they have a receipt showing they paid the sales tax for the state in which it was bought at the time of the sale. It's called a Use Tax and is supposed to be declared on the State Income Tax filing forms and paid at that time. If you don't and they find out, they will charge the sales tax that would have been due at the time of sale for the county in which you reside along with penalties and interest that recur and acrue in perpetuity until the amount is paid to the DOR. And they can wait years and let the debt build to quite a handsome sum before notifying you of the situation... and you have no recourse because that's the way the law is written - it's all "legal". They don't care if you say you weren't aware of it or you would have paid it off sooner and therefore don't owe all the penalties, late fees, interest, etc. They just say, "Pay up". They can treat it like a secret savings account if they want and spring it on you at any time. Like I said, you don't want to get in this situation if you can avoid it.
Street bikes, cars, etc., that require titling and registration are going to be captured in the system, regardless of where they're purchased, so that's not an issue.
Some guys might have the benefit of a state that doesn't check on such matters or doesn't require the tax on these purchases, but I don't know as I'm no expert on the matter, just familiar with it in my area.
I will say there isn't any enforcement or tracking mechanism for units bought from private individuals, just businesses required to collect sales tax, so if we buy a used dirt bike, ATV, etc., from someone in-state or out, the tax man isn't going to come after us because they don't know about it.
Take care.
So you’re just assuming.. Thanks
pretty sure you’re paying the tax.. plus a dirt bike is not a registered vehicle in the surrounding south east states, they are not registered in NC so no way for the state to collect property tax through such unregistered vehicle, so they collect it up front in the purchase price
growing up in NY we never registered a “competition use only” vehicle either
Assuming what?
Let me ride your new one in June ha
never mind
Having the screen name “Village idiot” says enough..?
So, the fact that you can't understand well-written, plain English and seem to be conflating sales tax charged on the sale of a new bike and property taxes levied against real property makes me the dumb one and the target of a childish attempt at an insult on your part?
Oooookaaaaay...
They say no good deed goes unpunished, so maybe I should have expected it.
Well, if you're unclear on something I've posted, just ask and I'll do the best I can to clarify... but there were no "assumptions" in my posts, just info from experiences and a warning to check on the laws in your state to see if this might apply to you before you possibly get yourself in a bind.
Hopefully this has been of some help to someone contemplating buying a bike out of state to avoid paying the sales tax on the transaction, but let me know if you have a question and I'll see if I can answer it.
Have a good weekend everyone.
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Ok dumbass?
Thanks for proving my point.. now go ride, oh wait your just another wannabe with all the right answers.. never mind your types never rides or did anything worthwhile
Look, there's no shame in being confused - just ask and I'll be glad to help if I can.
After all, you wouldn't want to be dumber than an Idiot, would you?
No shame having a screen name like Village Idiot
sadly you think you’re smart.. but on the contrary? You have proven otherwise.. 🤡🤡
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Going off the rails a little bit here boys…
IF you are financing you must pay state sales tax and title.
Alas, I've been exposed.
How could a fatuous dullard (too redundant?) like myself possibly argue an astute observation by such a perspicacious individual as yourself? It's all embarrassingly true.
But riddle me this before I scurry away, thoroughly intimidated by your baronial intellect -
What prompts an individual like yourself (completely unprovoked, I might add) to start sniping at and then insulting someone who was simply attempting to share some germane information with others on the topic at hand? I didn't direct any negative remarks toward you and simply asked for clarification when you made your snarky "assuming" remark. And then you went full-blown 3rd grade. It's all there in B&W to re-read if needed.
Is it -
gender dysphoria?
early onset of puberty?
APSD?
Other?
Here's hoping you get some help and prayers for your family and classmates.
That's what happens when kiddiegarden lets out early.
Says the retard window licker wearing the short bus helmet.. ☝️☝️
Hahaha dude just take the L. You just got dismantled.
Tell us, Captain Obvious without telling us you’re still butt hurt when I destroyed your post and made you look like a complete tool bag..?
Sorry Homie I’m not your Huckleberry
Knock it off you two. We don’t come here to read this kind of crap.
These price drops are kind of insane... I was hoping to get a yz250f, but damn my wallet would be happier with a cheaper brand new bike. At a certain point a 250 is a 250 -- and much easier to handle than a 450. Someone talk me into it, lol.
I was looking through old threads about yamaha rebates, but seems like they haven't offered any in years since they became the top dog. Someone said between now and June is when the discounts for "leftover" bikes would start rolling in. Do I HODL to get my dream yz250f or do I go for these amazing KX prices before the bikes gets swept up?
Same way for me. I live in Alabama and all my last bike purchases have been in ga, Tenn and miss and I don't have to pay taxes either. That's the reason I buy out of state. That $5,$6, $700 is the difference of a good deal or not a lot of times.
That might’ve been true 20 yrs ago?
insterstste commerce has changed with internet sales and Amazon
No dealer can sell you a new motor vehicle without sending the info to the manufacturer and often, the government as well, for safety(recall) reasons. Will they match you to taxes paid? Maybe one day. Many dealers will not sell the bike until the MCO/MSO is converted out of the dealer name to the customer for liability reasons. So your statement is not 100% correct
Yeah, you're incorrect sir. I bought a 21&22 tc 85, in miss and Tenn. In ga I bought a 22 CRF 110, and a 23 gg 125, 23 gg 250 f and a 23 husky 125 in Tenn.
You are supposed to have to pay taxes when you register you vehicle. Alabama doesn't register certificate of origins so the shoot themselves in the foot in that one. They could collect the taxes but do not.
Now you are correct that places like all mail order stuff now collect taxes but I promise you I don't pay tax when purchasing motorcycles.
I called a dealer in ga the other day inquiring about a new yz250. Mspr plus the $550 freight. .
It's common knowledge around here sir.
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