Handlebar vibration

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I’m curious what you guys have done to reduce or eliminate handlebar vibration to the bars. I mostly notice it mid throttle and on decel. Bike is a 2024 kx250 with 5 hours. I hear mixed reviews on the fasst co inserts. I don’t think filling my handlebars with expanding foam or silicon will do much either. Maybe the stock Renthal fat bars that come stock transmit a lot of vibes to the hands? All of the bolts are tight.  Would like to hear your guys fix’s. Thanks! 

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I have a 24 Beta 300 RX.  I don’t notice/feel vibration when I climb on, a lot of people can feel the vibration on a Beta 2 stroke.  It doesn’t take long to take toll on my hands, especially throttle hand.  I have some nerve damage on my left, nerve tunnel surgery elbow and wrist.  Right hand goes numb easy using a drill or nail gun.  

I spoke with Luxon last week, they make good stuff and have engineering folks to talk on the phone at the drop of the hat.  Think I’m going to call them back in the morning and order their bar mount.  In hopes of knocking some vibration.

There are several vibration solutions, Mako 360, XTrigg and others.  I’m not too concerned with weight I may even try the bar inserts too.

With all that said, I’m surprised your having vibration issues with a KTM.  But you maybe like me and used a lot of tools, raced etc and have some nerve damage.  

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I’m curious what you guys have done to reduce or eliminate handlebar vibration to the bars. I mostly notice it mid throttle and on decel. Bike...

I’m curious what you guys have done to reduce or eliminate handlebar vibration to the bars. I mostly notice it mid throttle and on decel. Bike is a 2024 kx250 with 5 hours. I hear mixed reviews on the fasst co inserts. I don’t think filling my handlebars with expanding foam or silicon will do much either. Maybe the stock Renthal fat bars that come stock transmit a lot of vibes to the hands? All of the bolts are tight.  Would like to hear your guys fix’s. Thanks! 

Just get some rubber mounts that work with your stock clamps and you should be good to go. 

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Just go out and ride a 1997 Honda CR250, or better yet, a CR500.   You'll stop complaining about the little bit of vibration that the KX250F emits.

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mxrose3 wrote:
Just go out and ride a 1997 Honda CR250, or better yet, a CR500.   You'll stop complaining about the little bit of vibration that the KX250F...

Just go out and ride a 1997 Honda CR250, or better yet, a CR500.   You'll stop complaining about the little bit of vibration that the KX250F emits.

I’m good on that haha

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The XC Gear mounts are very good. It’s the first thing I put on new bikes.

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I'm surprised that you are noticing vibration during decel. Can you elaborate more? 

I think your bike has rubber mounted bars already.
Renthal fat bars always seemed fine to me.
I did not notice a difference using foam inside the bar.
 

4/22/2024 8:36am

Check the torque specs on your engine mounts.  I’m surprised that a 250f would be vibrating enough to bother you.  The vibration might be an sign of a larger problem.

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Check the torque specs on your engine mounts.  I’m surprised that a 250f would be vibrating enough to bother you.  The vibration might be an sign...

Check the torque specs on your engine mounts.  I’m surprised that a 250f would be vibrating enough to bother you.  The vibration might be an sign of a larger problem.

I’ve never messed with the torq on the mounts should I loosen and then torq to spec? I figured if they were tight from factory that wouldn’t be the cause of the vibration. 

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Stop gripping the bars so tight

I feel it bad even when going through the pits in second gear

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3strokemx wrote:
I'm surprised that you are noticing vibration during decel. Can you elaborate more?  I think your bike has rubber mounted bars already. Renthal fat bars always...

I'm surprised that you are noticing vibration during decel. Can you elaborate more? 

I think your bike has rubber mounted bars already.
Renthal fat bars always seemed fine to me.
I did not notice a difference using foam inside the bar.
 

When the bike is idling or at low speeds it’s smooth as butter. Once I start applying about a quarter to half a throttle it vibrates bad through the handlebars. Yes it is rubber mounted. And like I said on decel it buzzes bad too

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 Might be worth checking motor mounts as previously stated, look for cracks in the mount, then loosen all 3, then torque the bolts to spec. (loctite, i've had KX motor mount bolts fall out on a new bike)

Shooting in the dark but I'd start with these:
Chain is too tight so you are getting binding on the sprockets or chain slider pad.
Chain is too loose, hitting engine case around the front sprocket.
Front sprocket is loose or on backwards and rubbing the engine.
Rear wheel is not straight, tire is rubbing swingarm or mud flap.
Check valve clearances.
Replace spark plug.

If that stuff all checks out then I'd take it back to the dealer and have them check it out for potential engine internal issue for warranty.
Here's a similar thread.

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I’ve never messed with the torq on the mounts should I loosen and then torq to spec? I figured if they were tight from factory that...

I’ve never messed with the torq on the mounts should I loosen and then torq to spec? I figured if they were tight from factory that wouldn’t be the cause of the vibration. 

Yes, tighten them to what the manual says with the appropriate prep (often Loctite 243). If your motor mounts are loose, you'll feel a lot more vibration. 

Your bars are rubber mounted. They shouldn't feel bad, but there are better options available if that really is the problem and it's not a loose motor mount or something wrong internally with the engine. 

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Fatbar36 reduced the high frequency vibrations on my KTM 250f. I still feel it through the pegs but the bars are better.

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Check the torque specs on your engine mounts.  I’m surprised that a 250f would be vibrating enough to bother you.  The vibration might be an sign...

Check the torque specs on your engine mounts.  I’m surprised that a 250f would be vibrating enough to bother you.  The vibration might be an sign of a larger problem.

I’ve never messed with the torq on the mounts should I loosen and then torq to spec? I figured if they were tight from factory that...

I’ve never messed with the torq on the mounts should I loosen and then torq to spec? I figured if they were tight from factory that wouldn’t be the cause of the vibration. 

This can actually make a big difference, especially on more rigid aluminum frames. So much in-fact that I would consider this a must for any moto bike after break in, and annually for aluminum frames there-after. What's happening here as metals begin to 'settle' is creating uneven pinch points and binds on the engine mounts and frame. On my current 22 Honda 450 I could actually hear the metal relaxing as I first loosened all the mounts and swingarm pivot bolts after its initial break in. There is a sequence to this from top hanger to swingarm pivot...not just random. Also, use a torque wrench and pay close attention to the torque specs. You would be surprised how much this can affect the translation of vibration, especially if the frame/engine are binding. 

My preferred sequence: Loosen everything first starting at the top mount and go clock wise ending with the swingarm pivot (remove and re-grease pivot here). Then with everything freely-loose start back at 12-o'clock (top hanger) and follow this sequence:

1. Starting with the top hangers, and going clockwise for front and any other mounting point that utilizes hangers between the frame and engine: re-torque hangers to frame only (all engine side hanger bolts are still freely loose)

2. Once all hangers are torqued at contact with frame, start back at top hanger and go clockwise re-torqueing engine mounting bolts ending with the swingarm pivot last.

3. last, re-install freshly greased swingarm pivot and re-torque.

This sequence might be a tad diff on a Kawi or other models, but all aluminum frame bikes will be similar in sequence (I am pretty sure you can find a recommended sequence specific for your Kawi on Thumper Talk). Lastly...I am not suggesting anyone else do this, but I have personally played around with different torque values on the top hanger and swingarm pivot.

Hope this helps. It made a believer out of me.

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Check the torque specs on your engine mounts.  I’m surprised that a 250f would be vibrating enough to bother you.  The vibration might be an sign...

Check the torque specs on your engine mounts.  I’m surprised that a 250f would be vibrating enough to bother you.  The vibration might be an sign of a larger problem.

I’ve never messed with the torq on the mounts should I loosen and then torq to spec? I figured if they were tight from factory that...

I’ve never messed with the torq on the mounts should I loosen and then torq to spec? I figured if they were tight from factory that wouldn’t be the cause of the vibration. 

ChiefLPD wrote:
This can actually make a big difference, especially on more rigid aluminum frames. So much in-fact that I would consider this a must for any moto...

This can actually make a big difference, especially on more rigid aluminum frames. So much in-fact that I would consider this a must for any moto bike after break in, and annually for aluminum frames there-after. What's happening here as metals begin to 'settle' is creating uneven pinch points and binds on the engine mounts and frame. On my current 22 Honda 450 I could actually hear the metal relaxing as I first loosened all the mounts and swingarm pivot bolts after its initial break in. There is a sequence to this from top hanger to swingarm pivot...not just random. Also, use a torque wrench and pay close attention to the torque specs. You would be surprised how much this can affect the translation of vibration, especially if the frame/engine are binding. 

My preferred sequence: Loosen everything first starting at the top mount and go clock wise ending with the swingarm pivot (remove and re-grease pivot here). Then with everything freely-loose start back at 12-o'clock (top hanger) and follow this sequence:

1. Starting with the top hangers, and going clockwise for front and any other mounting point that utilizes hangers between the frame and engine: re-torque hangers to frame only (all engine side hanger bolts are still freely loose)

2. Once all hangers are torqued at contact with frame, start back at top hanger and go clockwise re-torqueing engine mounting bolts ending with the swingarm pivot last.

3. last, re-install freshly greased swingarm pivot and re-torque.

This sequence might be a tad diff on a Kawi or other models, but all aluminum frame bikes will be similar in sequence (I am pretty sure you can find a recommended sequence specific for your Kawi on Thumper Talk). Lastly...I am not suggesting anyone else do this, but I have personally played around with different torque values on the top hanger and swingarm pivot.

Hope this helps. It made a believer out of me.

Thank you so much for the detailed reply. I’m going to get my bike washed up tomorrow and make sure everything is set to spec. 

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I’ve never messed with the torq on the mounts should I loosen and then torq to spec? I figured if they were tight from factory that...

I’ve never messed with the torq on the mounts should I loosen and then torq to spec? I figured if they were tight from factory that wouldn’t be the cause of the vibration. 

ChiefLPD wrote:
This can actually make a big difference, especially on more rigid aluminum frames. So much in-fact that I would consider this a must for any moto...

This can actually make a big difference, especially on more rigid aluminum frames. So much in-fact that I would consider this a must for any moto bike after break in, and annually for aluminum frames there-after. What's happening here as metals begin to 'settle' is creating uneven pinch points and binds on the engine mounts and frame. On my current 22 Honda 450 I could actually hear the metal relaxing as I first loosened all the mounts and swingarm pivot bolts after its initial break in. There is a sequence to this from top hanger to swingarm pivot...not just random. Also, use a torque wrench and pay close attention to the torque specs. You would be surprised how much this can affect the translation of vibration, especially if the frame/engine are binding. 

My preferred sequence: Loosen everything first starting at the top mount and go clock wise ending with the swingarm pivot (remove and re-grease pivot here). Then with everything freely-loose start back at 12-o'clock (top hanger) and follow this sequence:

1. Starting with the top hangers, and going clockwise for front and any other mounting point that utilizes hangers between the frame and engine: re-torque hangers to frame only (all engine side hanger bolts are still freely loose)

2. Once all hangers are torqued at contact with frame, start back at top hanger and go clockwise re-torqueing engine mounting bolts ending with the swingarm pivot last.

3. last, re-install freshly greased swingarm pivot and re-torque.

This sequence might be a tad diff on a Kawi or other models, but all aluminum frame bikes will be similar in sequence (I am pretty sure you can find a recommended sequence specific for your Kawi on Thumper Talk). Lastly...I am not suggesting anyone else do this, but I have personally played around with different torque values on the top hanger and swingarm pivot.

Hope this helps. It made a believer out of me.

Thank you so much for the detailed reply. I’m going to get my bike washed up tomorrow and make sure everything is set to spec. 

Hey I re-read my post and need to make one important correction:

After loosening everything and remove/re-grease swingarm pivot...re-install the pivot FIRST before you start to re-torque anything. Then follow clockwise torque sequence of frame side hanger bolts first, then engine side bolts ending with pivot.

Sorry about that. I had edited the original post to simplify and overlooked changing that.

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Wanted to come back to this thread. I rode my old 2018 250sxf back to back with my 24 kx250 and the ktm feels electric vibration wise compared to my kx. Almost none. I did some research and also found out the kx250 motor does not use a counter balancer which could be a reason I feel a significant amount of vibes with the kx. Bike only has 5 hours and it felt like that since new so I couldn’t imagine the crank was out of true or anything wrong with it internally. Torqed all the linkage and engine mount bolts to spec and still the same. Might just be how the bike is unfortunately 

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Wanted to come back to this thread. I rode my old 2018 250sxf back to back with my 24 kx250 and the ktm feels electric vibration...

Wanted to come back to this thread. I rode my old 2018 250sxf back to back with my 24 kx250 and the ktm feels electric vibration wise compared to my kx. Almost none. I did some research and also found out the kx250 motor does not use a counter balancer which could be a reason I feel a significant amount of vibes with the kx. Bike only has 5 hours and it felt like that since new so I couldn’t imagine the crank was out of true or anything wrong with it internally. Torqed all the linkage and engine mount bolts to spec and still the same. Might just be how the bike is unfortunately 

Still running stock grips? A better comparison to your KTM would be to add ODI lock-ons to the Kawi. If that doesn’t do it/ help enough, I like this combo: Xtrig PHDS bar mounts, Pro Taper EVO bars, Works Connection Elite throttle tube (requires bar trim on throttle side), and A’ME glue-on grips. 

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My hands, especially my right is vibration sensitive.  In the case of my Beta 300 RX.  I don’t really feel the vibration but it’s there.  After riding a while it sneaks up on me.  My Honda doesn’t bother me as much.

I called Billy with Luxon and he hooked me up with anti vibration bar mount for my Beta.  It helped quite a bit.  I’d call Billy at Luxon if vibration was an issue.


 

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Wanted to come back to this thread. I rode my old 2018 250sxf back to back with my 24 kx250 and the ktm feels electric vibration...

Wanted to come back to this thread. I rode my old 2018 250sxf back to back with my 24 kx250 and the ktm feels electric vibration wise compared to my kx. Almost none. I did some research and also found out the kx250 motor does not use a counter balancer which could be a reason I feel a significant amount of vibes with the kx. Bike only has 5 hours and it felt like that since new so I couldn’t imagine the crank was out of true or anything wrong with it internally. Torqed all the linkage and engine mount bolts to spec and still the same. Might just be how the bike is unfortunately 

crc245 wrote:
Still running stock grips? A better comparison to your KTM would be to add ODI lock-ons to the Kawi. If that doesn’t do it/ help enough...

Still running stock grips? A better comparison to your KTM would be to add ODI lock-ons to the Kawi. If that doesn’t do it/ help enough, I like this combo: Xtrig PHDS bar mounts, Pro Taper EVO bars, Works Connection Elite throttle tube (requires bar trim on throttle side), and A’ME glue-on grips. 

I run the lock ons on the ktm and there’s almost no handlebar vibration. If it use the lock on’s on the kx it would probably just make it worse. The KX is what vibrates a lot not the ktm. Ktm has almost none

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Wanted to come back to this thread. I rode my old 2018 250sxf back to back with my 24 kx250 and the ktm feels electric vibration...

Wanted to come back to this thread. I rode my old 2018 250sxf back to back with my 24 kx250 and the ktm feels electric vibration wise compared to my kx. Almost none. I did some research and also found out the kx250 motor does not use a counter balancer which could be a reason I feel a significant amount of vibes with the kx. Bike only has 5 hours and it felt like that since new so I couldn’t imagine the crank was out of true or anything wrong with it internally. Torqed all the linkage and engine mount bolts to spec and still the same. Might just be how the bike is unfortunately 

Interesting, the 2025 KX250 has a primary balancer for smoother power and reduced vibrations. 

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Wanted to come back to this thread. I rode my old 2018 250sxf back to back with my 24 kx250 and the ktm feels electric vibration...

Wanted to come back to this thread. I rode my old 2018 250sxf back to back with my 24 kx250 and the ktm feels electric vibration wise compared to my kx. Almost none. I did some research and also found out the kx250 motor does not use a counter balancer which could be a reason I feel a significant amount of vibes with the kx. Bike only has 5 hours and it felt like that since new so I couldn’t imagine the crank was out of true or anything wrong with it internally. Torqed all the linkage and engine mount bolts to spec and still the same. Might just be how the bike is unfortunately 

MARCD450 wrote:
Interesting, the 2025 KX250 has a primary balancer for smoother power and reduced vibrations. 

Interesting, the 2025 KX250 has a primary balancer for smoother power and reduced vibrations. 

Yup. Will probably feel much smoother 

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My yz450 felt electric smooth after I got a rm250. I tried many things to get rid of the vibes. The flex bars made the most difference. I put the bar inserts in also, but it was not very noticeable, if at all. 

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My yz450 felt electric smooth after I got a rm250. I tried many things to get rid of the vibes. The flex bars made the most...

My yz450 felt electric smooth after I got a rm250. I tried many things to get rid of the vibes. The flex bars made the most difference. I put the bar inserts in also, but it was not very noticeable, if at all. 

Yes the flex bars do help. I used the flex bars with pro taper pillow tops and it made made a big difference but I wasn’t a fan of the thickness of the grips and the added weight of the bars 

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Fatbar 36 will reduce vibration. I don’t know how but they do. 

7/26/2024 3:34am

I have a kx250 2023 that does the exact same. Can’t say I feel it that much riding on the track , but like you say when going through the pits in low rpm there is a certain spot where it vibes. Have you done anything thing else besides bar and grips? 

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59 years old, lots of hand and shoulder issues, ride about 250 hours a year. Here is my remedy, ditch clamp on grips, get the thickest, comfiest glue on grips you can. Twisted engineering carbon fiber bars, flex in all directions, pricey ($500) but worth it. PHDS bar mounts, XC gear bar mounts, either will work about the same. Scotts steering stabilizer. Thank me later.

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