Its time for them to change the 250 classes

I'll take a step further and throw out a whole redesign of the SX format.

- Age-limited E/W regional class, maybe they run 4-5 races per year instead every round. Shootout at the finale only. Replaces futures class. Age limit around 19-20, but negotiable. Maybe based on exp instead of age?

- 250 class, no regions, full schedule.

- 250 and 450 classes go to 2-moto format, regionals stay with one. 

- To help compensate for more races with the intro of the "new" futures class and dual moto format, do away with heat races. Top 18 from each class go straight to mains from qualifying, one LCQ per class.

- While I'm rolling, the 250 2-strokes are allowed in the 250 class.

Done and done.

- While I'm rolling, the 250 2-strokes are allowed in the 250 class.

This.

I wouldn't even bother watching the B-52 class if they let the F-22s loose against the valve and cam forces.

It would be like watching an X-wing fighter bring down the Death Star and the dark side of The Force. 

4 classes every night. Something for everyone. 
 

- electric mx

-125 2 stroke 

-250 main

-450main 

rotate pitbike races in intermissions along with the 50’s 

Futures has become what the 125 (now 250F) class was originally designed to be.

So therefore, make 250 class a full season and allow anyone to ride it.

Then cut the 450 Main to the top 15. Let the baddest dudes in the sport race without lapped riders constantly getting in the way.

I’m down with the age limits. Too many dudes clogging the 250s for years on end. Open those factory rides to kids coming up the ranks instead 

My vote also

I really dislike the age/point out rule in any 250 racing.

As a tallish but skinny dude I'm never going to have the physicality to throw around a 450 so I know first hand that if I raced at any level I'd want to do it on a 250, be that 4 or 2 stroke. MXGP aging out at 23 is even worse, not everyone gets to start riding at 4 years old. Or people might finish school before racing support classes full time, with the age rule you're punishing that by forcing them into 450s before they really have a chance to develop

As a fan I want to tune in to watch two pro races, one on 250s and one on 450s. I don't really want to watch the 'kids' race or the development class, there's futures or minis for that. If you're a professional racer then it should be the highest level in the sport, no matter the size of the bike. If someone likes riding a 250 more than a 450 then they should feel free to spend their whole career riding one, and race against other guys who prefer 250s.

Pointing out and aging out if for minis and amateurs not for professional racing

450 is too much power especially indoors, do 350, 200 and 125.

Agree all the way until cutting the 450 mains, it's already too short because of the small track designs. 

Get rid of east and west, have a time frame of after you point out, you have to wait of x number of years and then you can drop down again 

Thanks for your insight Jeremy.

There should be regional futures at each SX, make the 250 class a “limited” class,and have  the 450’s be the premier class.  The 250’s should not be so close in performance to the 450’s.  The lap times should be considerably slower between the 450’s and 250’s and same for the 250 vs. futures class.  Having a limited class will make it more affordable for privateers and make the manufactures improve the consumer available bikes even more.    Similar to how there’s usually at least classes of IMSA race cars, GT, LMP2, and LMP 1, with significant performance difference.

If you are unable to build a bike you can ride for 20 mins with an unlimited supply of someone elses money, give up. 

As soon as the cc's go down, the cost goes up. A stock 450 with a pipe and map is plenty. Make the tracks slower. 

This topic pops up regularly but don't fix something that is not broken.

- We are spoiled this year, particularly in 450, but it could get more boring the next few years and we will be all happy to have 2 other shorter and more unpredictable series to root for, east and west.

- This year there were almost as many factory riders in 250 as in 450 at each event, which proves the factories and sponsors are happy to have exposure in that class. Lots of rides but also jobs too.

- And this year we got to see Triumph in the top 5 top 10 ; combined, would they have the same exposure if outside of the top 10 or even top 15 ?

- Last but not least, younger riders are more often injured, they simply don't have yet the full skillset as the champions we have in 450, so I doubt we would have more than 10 factory guys in a combined field at the last round. Bring a couple years with 2 dominant guys both in 250 and 450 and much less peoplle would be watching or attending from round 10.

Under 25 yrs open class no coasts.

All in the best rider wins at the moment is broken and is a bit boring to watch really

I sometimes fast forward to the 450 class as its so good.

Bring back the 125’s but allow a 150 four stroke so Honda won’t cry.  Allow factory bikes or DMC style builds so we can see new innovations in the sport. Set the minimum weight limit at 185lbs. I bet we see 450 pro lap times out of these screamers.

450s aren't going anywhere...simple solution is slow the track, allow 250 two strokes(cc/cc, no age limit)and make it a 250 class that mirrors the 450. I wouldn't mind 2 motos, get rid of the triple crown sideshow. What won't happen is classes for bikes that don't exist, it'll take years for new cc bikes, etc.

The only change thats needed to the 250 class is not allowing 30 year olds to race for 10 years straight against 18 year old rookies

it's a professional class. no other sport separates by age at a professional level that i can think of.

baseball doesn't switch out pitchers when a rookie gets up to the plate. football allows veterans to tackle rookies. i say get rid of age and point out restrictions. they are pros.

I agree with having an unrestricted 250 class, generally speaking, but as I said above I think it should be split into a regional futures class that is age/experience limited and a full 250 series without age limit.

You examples in other sports though aren't exactly comparable. Baseball has a whole minor league feeder system, and college, before guys see the MLB. The youngest guy in MLB this year is 20, and it's rare for anyone younger to make it.

The NFL has a rule that you must be at least 3 years after high school to be eligible, and college football is essentially the experience-restricted feeder class.

Neither takes 16 year old kids and puts them against 25 year old vets at the pro level.

MX is tougher than football or baseball. If a 16 year-old kid can even qualify, he deserves to be in the race. 

There's a big difference between an average 16-YO and one who can qualify for a Supercross night show. They're not letting Brandon sign up for A1 for his second race. Those PROFESSIONAL Supercross racers who happen to have had fewer birthdays will be just fine. 

You're hired .

Say what you want, but the MXGP MX2 23 age rule makes racing better. If you can't compete at the top at 23, you better find another job, it's that simple. Also, only the best in the 250 class get into the 450 class and it shows.
Overall, it gives the best racing experience. At least for fans like us. The goal is not to see 40 men behind the gate every race (who even cares what happens from the 20th place onwards), but get the best elite racing experiens.

Good thing your lapper idea didn't get any traction in the MC and RC era's. They lapped into the top 5 or 6 with regularity. Just make it all two rider, one lap, elimination races... Never a lapped rider then. 

Home schooling is pretty much the norm for Amateur and Pro MX and SX and 16 can still get an education and start racing professionally. Its been 16 from the beginning of Pro racing.

East and West SX concept began with Davie Coombs SR and has been a great addition ever since then so it should stay.

Pro Qualifying process has changed quite a few times over the years. LL A and B top 10 and getting a small amount of points in AX were a couple of them. For me I had to get the AMA district presidents written approval and that put me into Pro AM where we still had to race the Am day Saturday in order to qualify for the next days Pro race. 

It seems like the Futures has not 100% figured out how it works yet. From what I have heard it is difficult to get into unless you know the right person for submitting you.

Get the fastest 10 riders on the track at the same time. The 250 class should be a support class.

Consistently 3 riders in the 250 main have laptimes in the top 10 in the 450 main. 

3rd place in 250 ($3,000) makes more than 10th place in 450 ($2,850).

I think its fine the way it is, just take out the point out rule (which I believe they have). If a Jordan Smith or an RJ Hampshire want to make a living in the 250's, why not let them? Until a faster rider comes along and pushes them out, why should they be forced to move to a 450 if they prefer the 250.

100% on board, let's get this in place for next year... also, Lesher for 2025 250sx champion 😂

I'm on it, brother!