Prado’s 3 Year Kawi Deal

3/13/2024 4:31pm

Prado on a kawi is going to be muy bueno. That will be cool to see.  Now does this mean kawi is done with AC after this year?

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Is this even official???  First of all the energy drink deal would have to be an issue, a top energy drink deal can be just as...

Is this even official???  First of all the energy drink deal would have to be an issue, a top energy drink deal can be just as lucrative as a factory ride, and I doubt Red Bull would let him out of a deal.  Secondly, going from a team that lets you change everything to a team that is known for being very strict on what riders can and can not change, does not seem ideal for an MXGP rider. 

Won’t be official until October. 

ML512 wrote:
I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it...

I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it gets announced.

Somehow in all other motorsports, moves can be announced a year or more in advanced! But not in our little niche ass-backwards sport. Laughing

just look at Hamilton to Ferrari.

Hamilton s income for a year probably pays the whole sx season.

But the sensisitive info is at sx and not f1

 

3/13/2024 4:53pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2024 8:14pm
If you look at where Monster sells the least cans, you'll probably find its Spain.  So with the Spanish sensation 'available' it makes sense to get...

If you look at where Monster sells the least cans, you'll probably find its Spain. 

So with the Spanish sensation 'available' it makes sense to get him on board.

This will have less to do with his riding ability and more to do with the potential market it wins them.

It has nothing to do with selling more cans in  Spain, yes it will most likely be a by product of getting Prado but not the full reason.

The main reason to get a golden goose in the US MX SX series to represent their brand, good-looking,  charismatic international figure, damn good on a dirt bike.

 

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It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger than some riders on Mitch's PC team. This basically states to all of Mitch's PC team that Kawasaki will not need them on a 450 ever.

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Spoonguy wrote:
It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger...

It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger than some riders on Mitch's PC team. This basically states to all of Mitch's PC team that Kawasaki will not need them on a 450 ever.

I’m fairly confident if Kitchen wins the SX title this year, he will be in strong contention for the other Kawi seat in 2026 after Anderson’s deal expires. 

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Spoonguy wrote:
It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger...

It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger than some riders on Mitch's PC team. This basically states to all of Mitch's PC team that Kawasaki will not need them on a 450 ever.

I get what you're saying..... honda signed tortelli when they had windham and lusk, two all timers.

 

Sometimes you take a world champ when you can get one... especially if the green claw says so.

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3/13/2024 6:09pm
Spoonguy wrote:
It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger...

It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger than some riders on Mitch's PC team. This basically states to all of Mitch's PC team that Kawasaki will not need them on a 450 ever.

How many of Mitch's riders have gone on to win 450 Supercross or Motocross titles for Kawasaki?

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3/13/2024 6:26pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2024 6:35pm

How many of Mitch's riders have gone on to win 450 Supercross or Motocross titles for Kawasaki?

Supercross:

2001 RC

2007 James

2011 thru 2014 RV

 

Outdoors:

2008 James

2011 and 2013 RV

 

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3/13/2024 6:32pm

How many of Mitch's riders have gone on to win 450 Supercross or Motocross titles for Kawasaki?

ILoveMoto wrote:

Supercross:

2001 RC

2007 James

2011 thru 2014 RV

 

Outdoors:

2008 James

2011 and 2013 RV

 

So nobody in the last decade!

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3/13/2024 6:33pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2024 6:36pm

Deegan to Monster Kawi, now THAT makes sense. A freight train of flipped bills and brodozers would be a welcome sight again.

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Spoonguy wrote:
It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger...

It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger than some riders on Mitch's PC team. This basically states to all of Mitch's PC team that Kawasaki will not need them on a 450 ever.

How many of Mitch's riders have gone on to win 450 Supercross or Motocross titles for Kawasaki?

RC - Ryan Villopoto the others all failed, side not to this is that Ryan Villopoto kept Christophe Pourcel outside so it could've been two Tongue. But to be honest Pro Circuit isn't the same team anymore, in the past they only needed to fight with Geico and other teams took their Amsoil and Team Green leftovers. Like Blake Baggett to Suzuki for one year in the lites, Jason Anderson to Suzuki - KTM - Husqvarna (Hewitt Teams), Brock Tickle to Yamaha for one season to return to green with Pro Circuit ... Everyone wanted to race the PC Kawa because it was the best bike. Now riders can win on a wider diversity of bikes.

Besides that, I've noticed that Mitch missed a few very important opportunities when we talk about signing "MXGP-Riders", to name the three most important ones: Dylan Ferrandis, Jett Lawrence and Hunter Lawrence... I think it is time to hunt down Cole Davies if TLD GasGas hasn't locked him yet. Because his age and maturity off and on the track can bring him a great future.

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3/13/2024 6:40pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2024 6:45pm

How many of Mitch's riders have gone on to win 450 Supercross or Motocross titles for Kawasaki?

ILoveMoto wrote:

Supercross:

2001 RC

2007 James

2011 thru 2014 RV

 

Outdoors:

2008 James

2011 and 2013 RV

 

So nobody in the last decade!

Some guys named Dungey and Eli Tomac came along. Why are you singling out Mitch's team

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ILoveMoto wrote:

Supercross:

2001 RC

2007 James

2011 thru 2014 RV

 

Outdoors:

2008 James

2011 and 2013 RV

 

So nobody in the last decade!

ILoveMoto wrote:

Some guys named Dungey and Eli Tomac came along. Why are you singling out Mitch's team

James didn't race for PC.

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3/13/2024 6:41pm
Spoonguy wrote:
It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger...

It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger than some riders on Mitch's PC team. This basically states to all of Mitch's PC team that Kawasaki will not need them on a 450 ever.

Not true. Ando is not going to be there forever they’ll have one spot to fight over

3/13/2024 6:49pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2024 6:52pm
ILoveMoto wrote:

Supercross:

2001 RC

2007 James

2011 thru 2014 RV

 

Outdoors:

2008 James

2011 and 2013 RV

 

So nobody in the last decade!

ILoveMoto wrote:

Some guys named Dungey and Eli Tomac came along. Why are you singling out Mitch's team

He didn't race for Pro Circuit.

In the last decade Pro Circuit has not been successful as a training ground for 450 Kawasaki riders.

Why am I singling out Mitch's team...

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So nobody in the last decade!

ILoveMoto wrote:

Some guys named Dungey and Eli Tomac came along. Why are you singling out Mitch's team

He didn't race for Pro Circuit. In the last decade Pro Circuit has not been successful as a training ground for 450 Kawasaki riders. Why am...

He didn't race for Pro Circuit.

In the last decade Pro Circuit has not been successful as a training ground for 450 Kawasaki riders.

Why am I singling out Mitch's team...

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STAR Yamaha, KTM, and now Honda have gotten better. I do like Levi Kitchen

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3/13/2024 7:06pm

Won’t be official until October. 

ML512 wrote:
I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it...

I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it gets announced.

Somehow in all other motorsports, moves can be announced a year or more in advanced! But not in our little niche ass-backwards sport. Laughing

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.   Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the...

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.
 

Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the minute it was finalized. The details with the deferrals were reported within the hour. Jett is in the middle of a multi year deal and nobody knows how long it’s for or how much it’s for, what the bonuses are, etc…

Making the contract terms public would help the growth of the sport imho. I’m sure I can’t be the only one who is frustrated with the secrecy surrounding these deals. 

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3/13/2024 7:13pm

Won’t be official until October. 

ML512 wrote:
I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it...

I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it gets announced.

Somehow in all other motorsports, moves can be announced a year or more in advanced! But not in our little niche ass-backwards sport. Laughing

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.   Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the...

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.
 

Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the minute it was finalized. The details with the deferrals were reported within the hour. Jett is in the middle of a multi year deal and nobody knows how long it’s for or how much it’s for, what the bonuses are, etc…

Baseball teams have salary caps, that's why payments become public, Supercross and Motocross teams don't, what would motivate them to disclose salaries or bonuses?

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ML512 wrote:
I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it...

I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it gets announced.

Somehow in all other motorsports, moves can be announced a year or more in advanced! But not in our little niche ass-backwards sport. Laughing

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.   Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the...

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.
 

Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the minute it was finalized. The details with the deferrals were reported within the hour. Jett is in the middle of a multi year deal and nobody knows how long it’s for or how much it’s for, what the bonuses are, etc…

Making the contract terms public would help the growth of the sport imho. I’m sure I can’t be the only one who is frustrated with the...

Making the contract terms public would help the growth of the sport imho. I’m sure I can’t be the only one who is frustrated with the secrecy surrounding these deals. 

How would it help with the growth of the sport?

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Get ready for a Jett, Hunter, Vialle, Prado foreign riders dominating our race series podiums for awhile.

I blame training facilities. 

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How many of Mitch's riders have gone on to win 450 Supercross or Motocross titles for Kawasaki?

ILoveMoto wrote:

Supercross:

2001 RC

2007 James

2011 thru 2014 RV

 

Outdoors:

2008 James

2011 and 2013 RV

 

James wasn’t one of Mitch’s guys, he went straight to the factory team. 

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ohh_454 wrote:

James wasn’t one of Mitch’s guys, he went straight to the factory team. 

Yup I found that out thanks. It was unusual for Kawi to do that but it was James Stewart after all. 

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I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.   Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the...

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.
 

Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the minute it was finalized. The details with the deferrals were reported within the hour. Jett is in the middle of a multi year deal and nobody knows how long it’s for or how much it’s for, what the bonuses are, etc…

Making the contract terms public would help the growth of the sport imho. I’m sure I can’t be the only one who is frustrated with the...

Making the contract terms public would help the growth of the sport imho. I’m sure I can’t be the only one who is frustrated with the secrecy surrounding these deals. 

How would it help with the growth of the sport?

Giving the fans knowledge about the salary implications of various signing decisions helps fans understand the reasons why certain decisions are made. Providing the information will also create more intrigue into the sport for new viewers. It is unfortunate that the speed and skill of the riders can sometimes not be enough to get someone to watch (I partially blame the camera angles the broadcast provides for this) so adding the additional layer of salary information could make a new viewer say “why are they paid that much?” and dig deeper into the physical aspects of the sport. 

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Giving the fans knowledge about the salary implications of various signing decisions helps fans understand the reasons why certain decisions are made. Providing the information will...

Giving the fans knowledge about the salary implications of various signing decisions helps fans understand the reasons why certain decisions are made. Providing the information will also create more intrigue into the sport for new viewers. It is unfortunate that the speed and skill of the riders can sometimes not be enough to get someone to watch (I partially blame the camera angles the broadcast provides for this) so adding the additional layer of salary information could make a new viewer say “why are they paid that much?” and dig deeper into the physical aspects of the sport. 

You mean "why are they paid that little."

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Making the contract terms public would help the growth of the sport imho. I’m sure I can’t be the only one who is frustrated with the...

Making the contract terms public would help the growth of the sport imho. I’m sure I can’t be the only one who is frustrated with the secrecy surrounding these deals. 

How would it help with the growth of the sport?

Giving the fans knowledge about the salary implications of various signing decisions helps fans understand the reasons why certain decisions are made. Providing the information will...

Giving the fans knowledge about the salary implications of various signing decisions helps fans understand the reasons why certain decisions are made. Providing the information will also create more intrigue into the sport for new viewers. It is unfortunate that the speed and skill of the riders can sometimes not be enough to get someone to watch (I partially blame the camera angles the broadcast provides for this) so adding the additional layer of salary information could make a new viewer say “why are they paid that much?” and dig deeper into the physical aspects of the sport. 

Has that happened in other sports?

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Spoonguy wrote:
It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger...

It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger than some riders on Mitch's PC team. This basically states to all of Mitch's PC team that Kawasaki will not need them on a 450 ever.

Well Prado has won more than all of mitchs riders together.

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3/14/2024 6:15am
Spoonguy wrote:
It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger...

It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger than some riders on Mitch's PC team. This basically states to all of Mitch's PC team that Kawasaki will not need them on a 450 ever.

I’m fairly confident if Kitchen wins the SX title this year, he will be in strong contention for the other Kawi seat in 2026 after Anderson’s...

I’m fairly confident if Kitchen wins the SX title this year, he will be in strong contention for the other Kawi seat in 2026 after Anderson’s deal expires. 

This makes sense.  Anderson rides off into the sunset and Kitchen gets a year to defend his title.  Lots of pressure on Kitchen to get the job done this year!

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ML512 wrote:
I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it...

I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it gets announced.

Somehow in all other motorsports, moves can be announced a year or more in advanced! But not in our little niche ass-backwards sport. Laughing

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.   Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the...

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.
 

Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the minute it was finalized. The details with the deferrals were reported within the hour. Jett is in the middle of a multi year deal and nobody knows how long it’s for or how much it’s for, what the bonuses are, etc…

Baseball teams have salary caps, that's why payments become public, Supercross and Motocross teams don't, what would motivate them to disclose salaries or bonuses?

Not true. They have a competitive balance tax but no cap. Any team can spend as much money as they want. They also didn’t have the competitive balance tax until 97, and contract terms have always been public knowledge, even prior to the implication of the cbt. As was stated earlier in the thread, I think by ML, it’s because they have a players union and the riders in our sport have nothing. 

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ML512 wrote:

MotoGP costs more and more every year.

Since the 3 guarantees in life are death, taxes and inflation, pretty much everything costs more and more every year. If motogp costs are rising faster than the general rate of inflation, I’m curious as to why. I’m not trying to be a dick, I’m genuinely curious. 

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ML512 wrote:

MotoGP costs more and more every year.

MB19 wrote:
Since the 3 guarantees in life are death, taxes and inflation, pretty much everything costs more and more every year. If motogp costs are rising faster...

Since the 3 guarantees in life are death, taxes and inflation, pretty much everything costs more and more every year. If motogp costs are rising faster than the general rate of inflation, I’m curious as to why. I’m not trying to be a dick, I’m genuinely curious. 

Introduction of aerodynamics. It's a black hole and we have seen what happens if you don't figure out the aero package (Yamaha & Honda).

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