is racing at this level realllly worth it?

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3/14/2010 1:21pm
Cygnus wrote:
If you have to wonder about it you should just sell the bikes
i agree with this. I quit in 2001 because my thoughts on the starting line went from do what it takes to win to just be safe and try not to get hurt. I was worrying about hurting myself way too much. There were days i would make up an injury or sickness and not race my 2nd motos because I was becoming scared to hand it out on a 2nd moto torn up rough track. Even if I was top 3 the 1st moto. Took 6 years off and came back a class lower and with a have fun ,and be safe outlook..
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3/14/2010 1:37pm
The truth is .... that if you don't think about the risks ... then you are a complete idiot.

How much you dwell on it should determine whether you should still ride and at what level. Nothing wrong with riding - and racing - but simply knowing what your risk threshold is.

Every one of us has made countless decisions on whether to GO FOR IT on some track obstacle or whether to play it safe. That's simply called intelligent riding. Ride smart and give the other idiots out there some berth. It's always going to be a somewhat risky sport but if you ride smart, keep your bike well looked after and always be aware of the other riders around you,, you can minmize much of the risk.

BTW - how many of you have insurance .... and if you do, how many of you know whether your policy EXCLUDES getting hurt on a dirt bike or not? And nowadys, you probably need to double check your policy at least twice a year for any changes.







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3/14/2010 1:46pm
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The truth is .... that if you don't think about the risks ... then you are a complete idiot. How much you dwell on it should...
The truth is .... that if you don't think about the risks ... then you are a complete idiot.

How much you dwell on it should determine whether you should still ride and at what level. Nothing wrong with riding - and racing - but simply knowing what your risk threshold is.

Every one of us has made countless decisions on whether to GO FOR IT on some track obstacle or whether to play it safe. That's simply called intelligent riding. Ride smart and give the other idiots out there some berth. It's always going to be a somewhat risky sport but if you ride smart, keep your bike well looked after and always be aware of the other riders around you,, you can minmize much of the risk.

BTW - how many of you have insurance .... and if you do, how many of you know whether your policy EXCLUDES getting hurt on a dirt bike or not? And nowadys, you probably need to double check your policy at least twice a year for any changes.







Yeah that's true. I don't know for sure w/my Kaiser permanente ..Only had one bad issue since being with them (4 herniated discs in my back that required surgery)but when I hurt my back I told then I was moving furniture and it was no issue.
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3/14/2010 1:51pm
Better to find out now than wait until you get a ride in the 'amber lamps'.

And your insurance company finds out they picked you up off of the track.



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3/14/2010 1:57pm
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Better to find out now than wait until you get a ride in the 'amber lamps'. And your insurance company finds out they picked you up...
Better to find out now than wait until you get a ride in the 'amber lamps'.

And your insurance company finds out they picked you up off of the track.



Yeah, I've always tried to avoid the meat wagon. It's way better to change clothes and tell the Dr. you did it working on the house, or riding a bicycle. It sucks but I've been through it enough and I noticed that (sometimes) you get treated a little better if the doctors and nurses don't think you have a death wish, or even worse, that you 'deserve' it.

This mentallity usually applies to smaller stuff like broken legs or arms. When you're really eff'd up, the care is the same.
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Why does everyone think i should hang it up? Its not that im paralized from fear that its going to happen to me, but its a...
Why does everyone think i should hang it up? Its not that im paralized from fear that its going to happen to me, but its a REAL thing. I've had a few friends get seriously injured, Leighton Lillie cant walk and I remember riding at Wyvern with him everyday, Justin Eubanks (hate to say it) but he is vegetablized. He is one of my best friends, and i REFUSE to go see him. its to hard, but hey! i shattered BOTH my ankles, 3 surgeries, still have a plate and screws in my ankle, gotton 2 serious concussions, and guess what? Im always itching to get back out there, i was put on earth for a reason and i think racing is my calling. its dangerous, anything can happen, but this is the best sport in the world. its tough at times.
Dude, if you can man up and continue to ride/race, go pay your friend a visit. Damn.
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3/14/2010 1:59pm
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this came through my mind when i heard about jesse masterpool.. i mean, look at riders that are critically injured (james marshall, masterpool, craig, fonseca, bailey...
this came through my mind when i heard about jesse masterpool..

i mean, look at riders that are critically injured (james marshall, masterpool, craig, fonseca, bailey, my good buddy justin eubanks, and lots of others)

also Jason Ciarletta, RIP (i also think an 11 year old Trevor Fox just passed away)

Do you think it's worth it? Family and Health is more important that championships any day. i guess thats the risk of racing nowdays. i hate to bring up negativity, but its a real thing. scary thing.
Can you really answer without being on that list?
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Another thing to deal with .... I've heard something about Los Angeles area emergency departments talking about doubling or tripling the charge for a ride in an ambulance. You can always refuse if it's not that serious but with state, county and city departments basically BROKE ... you could end up with a serious bill just for the ride to the hospital.

Not sure what would happen if you were unconcious and they took you ... but at that point you probably have bigger problems.

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Can you really answer without being on that list?
^ THIS.
3/14/2010 2:03pm
When I was 14 in like '98 my dad and I were at my first race on a 125 at a local sand track. Right after my moto in 125 junior the 250 beginner class came out. My dad and I were standing by the finish line jump discussing what I should do in my next moto when one of the 250 begginer riders came over the finish line jump (it was actually not much of a jump, just a big single made of sand with a gradual landing.) It looked to me like he only got maybe 4 or 5 feet of air came down and landed on a whoop that had formed half way down landing. His bike swapped a bit and he kind of half went over the bars and tipped over. Literally one of the more harmless looking crashes I have ever seen. Well, the guy never moved again as his wife screamed at the medics to do something the guy turned grey right in front of us and died a few months later as a result of being paralyzed from that stupid little crash. My dad, who loved Motocross for his entire life up until that point hasn't been back to a race since. Me on the other hand. I still ride and race all the time, but that crash always serves as a reminder of how fragile life can be. My dad then a few years later while driving with my mom to watch my little brother play Jr.A hockey was hit head on by a drunk driver in a stolen car. They both almost died in that and my mom was in the hospital for almost 5 months. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if it's your time to go, it's your time to go. Nothing you can do about it. My dad quit moto and still got way more messed up than he probably ever would have puttering around on a MX bike.
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It is worth it.

Shit happens sometimes. It is Life.

You could stop racing Mx to protect yourself then have a car crash or Cancer etc.



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3/14/2010 2:12pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:24pm
I had a slow start but had a good racing career locally for some years and did well at some top local races for a year or 2. I stayed focused and wanted to keep working on getting faster and maybe reach the pro level one day. But after 3 concussions (that got severely worse each time) in 2 years, I knew the road didn't look good for me to make it to that higher level I wanted to achieve. (My last concussion had me out for over 5 hours and to this day, I still recognize some things like memory lapses and such that happen at times or sometimes regularly.) So, ever since then, I just put in my 5 laps of glory every so often and call it a day. I'm satisfied with that now.


It just comes down to the parents for these kids. They know their kids way more than we know them. It's their choice. If racing doesn't work out, there are many other sports or activities to do out there. ALWAYS have a backup plan when things hit the crapper.
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3/14/2010 2:13pm
When I was 14 in like '98 my dad and I were at my first race on a 125 at a local sand track. Right after...
When I was 14 in like '98 my dad and I were at my first race on a 125 at a local sand track. Right after my moto in 125 junior the 250 beginner class came out. My dad and I were standing by the finish line jump discussing what I should do in my next moto when one of the 250 begginer riders came over the finish line jump (it was actually not much of a jump, just a big single made of sand with a gradual landing.) It looked to me like he only got maybe 4 or 5 feet of air came down and landed on a whoop that had formed half way down landing. His bike swapped a bit and he kind of half went over the bars and tipped over. Literally one of the more harmless looking crashes I have ever seen. Well, the guy never moved again as his wife screamed at the medics to do something the guy turned grey right in front of us and died a few months later as a result of being paralyzed from that stupid little crash. My dad, who loved Motocross for his entire life up until that point hasn't been back to a race since. Me on the other hand. I still ride and race all the time, but that crash always serves as a reminder of how fragile life can be. My dad then a few years later while driving with my mom to watch my little brother play Jr.A hockey was hit head on by a drunk driver in a stolen car. They both almost died in that and my mom was in the hospital for almost 5 months. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if it's your time to go, it's your time to go. Nothing you can do about it. My dad quit moto and still got way more messed up than he probably ever would have puttering around on a MX bike.
seen that crash a dozen times.Had one me self as some of these guys know,left me neck down for about 48 hrs,walked out on the 7th day,true mirical it was in 2003.

Now that i'm crippled from a crash last year and almost dyin' more times than I can count on both hands I would not change a thing.Wished I'd died now,crippled just aint my thing but thats me.

race or dont,god's going to cut you down one day,not in your hands unless it holds a revolver.
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yes, its worth every dam pleasurable second your on your bike.

we are not here for a long time, we are here for a good time!

nobody can dwell on what might and might not be, if we did that we might as well just give up on life.

i enjoy riding, it takes me to a place where everything seems so simple, you, your bike, the track, the smell, atmosphere, i fuckin love it.

if any of my kids want to ride mx i wouldnt hesitate, id never push them but id let them take their own path.

lifes to short to worry.

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3/14/2010 3:18pm
My final word.

This is an addictive sport.
But the payoff is NOT worth it at the pro level, and if you listen to chad reed he has hinted at it over and over.

Something big needs to change where a NIGHT show rider makes 10 grand (or 40th place gate pick in a national)

The riders ARE THE PRODUCT, the ARE THE SHOW, and they have spent THOUSANDS at the amatuer level to get to the pro ranks. Especially now days where the weekend pro doesn't cut it.

Now kids at age 10 or even much younger are home schooled...have trainers, nutritionists, live on the road, etc etc....and the costs have elevated plus the costs of bikes these days for those not lucky enough to get help.


the gap in speed at the pro level from 20th to 1rst is huge...but it's not a lack of talent IMHO.
It's a lack of funds going back all the way to the young age of that rider. Tough to go as fast as james stewart when your bike is junk, and instead of practicing during the week your driving to the next event. I still agree the cream would still be at the top...and the same faces would win. However the gap between first to 20th could be MUCH smaller with better payoff to make a night show or national. This would also make racing MUCH better instead of lappers etc...and make it more exciting for TV.

The current crop of kids hitting the pros are FAST. But it's gone all the way back to the 50's level!

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3/14/2010 4:03pm
race wrote:
Better to find out now than wait until you get a ride in the 'amber lamps'. And your insurance company finds out they picked you up...
Better to find out now than wait until you get a ride in the 'amber lamps'.

And your insurance company finds out they picked you up off of the track.



Race...I have NEVER crashed a dirtbike...that being said, my doc thinks imma real clutz for fallin off that ladder cleaning the gutters so many timesWhistling
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race wrote:
Better to find out now than wait until you get a ride in the 'amber lamps'. And your insurance company finds out they picked you up...
Better to find out now than wait until you get a ride in the 'amber lamps'.

And your insurance company finds out they picked you up off of the track.



Hoov wrote:
Race...I have NEVER crashed a dirtbike...that being said, my doc thinks imma real clutz for fallin off that ladder cleaning the gutters so many timesWhistling
Wink

I hear ya. Those damn ladders can be really tricky!


But PUHLLLEEEASE everyone .... keep falling off that ladder rather than saying you crashed on your mountain bike. Don't give them a reason to exclude mtb.




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No it's not worth it. How much money does the 15th place guy make? ([url=http://www.nrgmx.org/News/AMAPay/2009MXSXPurse.html]http://www.nrgmx.org/News/AMAPay/2009MXSXPurse.html[/url]) How much did it cost to get to that point? How...
No it's not worth it.

How much money does the 15th place guy make? (http://www.nrgmx.org/News/AMAPay/2009MXSXPurse.html)

How much did it cost to get to that point? How many times can he do it again?

The risk to reward ratio in motocross is retarded. I had a blast growing up racing but now think it should be considered child abuse for a parent to let their kid out on an MX track.
12th place lites finisher says I'll take russian roulette for $400 to Alex Trebek on jeapordy
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3/14/2010 7:57pm
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I quit racing a few years a go after my one cousin broke both wrists, and another died all in the span of 1 week. I...
I quit racing a few years a go after my one cousin broke both wrists, and another died all in the span of 1 week. I came back a few times to do some enduros and GNCCs, but it wasn't the same.

Now I guess I'm what you would call a professional practice rider, but I love it. I've got a semi-private track I ride with no jumps. It's completely old school, just rough as can be with all sorts of corners. My buddies and I go out there and ride all the time and I have an absolute blast there. And the thing is, no one has ever gotten seriously injured, not even any broken bones, because it's a really safe but fun track. I mean, you could still get hurt I'm sure, but we've minimized the risk as much as possible. Plus it's the way motocross used to be.

So I guess you just have to decide for yourself what brings you joy from motocross. Is it the racing, the jumps, the excitement of sunday mornings (cuz I definitely miss that)? Or can you enjoy it enough in some other way where you eliminate most of the serious risk and still have a blast.

It all comes down to your decision. How much are you putting on the line? Who depends on you if something happens? What kind of risks are you taking?
The key sentence in your post is "Plus it's the way motocross used to be."

The sport took a major turn for the worse IMO when jumping became the focus instead of corner speed and rough tracks.

BTW, I am so sick of hearing the "racing is dangerous, get used to it" bullshit. There is no reason we can't make the sport safer IMO.
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the possibility of getting hurt is exactly what makes it worth it....... no danger equals No fun.....
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The Rock wrote:
The key sentence in your post is "Plus it's the way motocross used to be." The sport took a major turn for the worse IMO when...
The key sentence in your post is "Plus it's the way motocross used to be."

The sport took a major turn for the worse IMO when jumping became the focus instead of corner speed and rough tracks.

BTW, I am so sick of hearing the "racing is dangerous, get used to it" bullshit. There is no reason we can't make the sport safer IMO.
I agree, dragonbacks are dangerous (in example, james marshall, max anstie)

we dont need blind jumps, some of the tracks are way to fast and have sketchy jumps (daytona, langston).

we can make the sport safer

350's instead of 450's..

lets face it, 450's at any level is to much. give it a complete handful and your going to the moon.
local novice or james stewart, a 450 can get ugly real quick.
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3/14/2010 9:33pm
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the possibility of getting hurt is exactly what makes it worth it....... no danger equals No fun.....
I wonder if someone who has been sentenced to a life in a wheelchair would say it was worth it , or could comment on all the fun they're having .
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3/14/2010 9:35pm
No it's not worth it but then again what is?

Life is a temporary situation and I prefer to participate rather than to spectate.
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3/14/2010 10:01pm
gt80rider wrote:
the possibility of getting hurt is exactly what makes it worth it....... no danger equals No fun.....
BogMasterR wrote:
I wonder if someone who has been sentenced to a life in a wheelchair would say it was worth it , or could comment on all...
I wonder if someone who has been sentenced to a life in a wheelchair would say it was worth it , or could comment on all the fun they're having .
Im in a wheelchair and it was worth every stinkin minute and it is the reason i continue to ride to this day.

There is so much more danger in every other facet of life, than the relatively short time spent riding a bike.

Riding a push bike to work is more dangerous. shit walking anywhere near a road has gotta be more dangerous. Unless u live in a fortress and drive around in a tank, riding motocross is the least of your worries.

And yes i was injured on a bike
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let's say i could case any triple and not get hurt....... or crash in hip tall whoops 4th gear pinned and get up without even a bruise...... or horribly under-rotate a 100 ft backflip and just jump up and try again...

would those be any "fun" or worth even doing with no danger?? are you kidding??

"I wonder if someone who has been sentenced to a life in a wheelchair would say it was worth it , or could comment on all the fun they're having "

and you have chit for brains.... of course it's not fun in a chair..... but they wouldn't have been having fun riding their bikes if the ultimate penalty wasn't on the plate at the same time....

i know several guys that are "scared" to ride, so they don't ride anymore..... it's not worth it to them, and that's fine, it's their life... the only a-holes are people that try to push their pussy values off on me...

if your doctor gave you a week to live, would you sit at home, or would you finally go for that big triple at your local track that you've been doubling the last 5 years?? my doctor gives me a week to live, i'm going for Everything on Every track....... LOL....
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3/14/2010 10:08pm Edited Date/Time 3/14/2010 10:09pm
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let's say i could case any triple and not get hurt....... or crash in hip tall whoops 4th gear pinned and get up without even a...
let's say i could case any triple and not get hurt....... or crash in hip tall whoops 4th gear pinned and get up without even a bruise...... or horribly under-rotate a 100 ft backflip and just jump up and try again...

would those be any "fun" or worth even doing with no danger?? are you kidding??

"I wonder if someone who has been sentenced to a life in a wheelchair would say it was worth it , or could comment on all the fun they're having "

and you have chit for brains.... of course it's not fun in a chair..... but they wouldn't have been having fun riding their bikes if the ultimate penalty wasn't on the plate at the same time....

i know several guys that are "scared" to ride, so they don't ride anymore..... it's not worth it to them, and that's fine, it's their life... the only a-holes are people that try to push their pussy values off on me...

if your doctor gave you a week to live, would you sit at home, or would you finally go for that big triple at your local track that you've been doubling the last 5 years?? my doctor gives me a week to live, i'm going for Everything on Every track....... LOL....
I am not your Dr. but I've got news for you, you're going to to die. You should live a little.
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3/14/2010 10:10pm
Just know what your doing and have fun dude. You cant really think about it too much.
I think theres an art to crashing too. If you watch bubba crash he seems to have it down pat. or the dude is just made of rubber.
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3/14/2010 10:29pm
Mitch Payton seems to still like moto, even though he is not doing it himself. Same w/ Bailey. If you have ridden, you know how much fun it is. Some people are too scared to continue, not just because of injury, but also maybe they are not so good, so they give it up. But, if you were to stay away from all things that are dangerous, you would be 'sitting' at home, not doing anything. That's sitting in a chair. And when you get old, you can look back and say 'I didn't do shit my whole life, except sit in this chair, and that's why I'm still here'. Or if things went the other way hopefully you can say something like 'how badass was that, that I didn't just sit there, and had as much fun as possible while I'm here. Now I can move on feeling satisfied'. Agoura-phobia, the fear of open spaces!? WTF. TP199, have you seen him not smiling, ever? Getting hurt really sucks, no matter how it happens, but I hope to have some good bench-racing stories in the after-life.
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3/14/2010 10:51pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 9:24pm
I want to live wide open until im old, then i could tell my kids stories Smile

about how i broke my legs, how i was chasing down the leader at mammoth and my bike blew up, or how i hung out with travis pastrana, they'll probably say some new kid is the "IT" Kid and ill be like "hahaha no way barcia was way sicker then that kid", or how ive whipped it flat over a freestyle ramp aha



NO, not trying to steal the topic with stories. i just want you to get the point
3/14/2010 11:05pm
if your doctor gave you a week to live, would you sit at home, or would you finally go for that big triple at your local track that you've been doubling the last 5 years?? my doctor gives me a week to live, i'm going for Everything on Every track....... LOL....

gt80 I think thats the best thing I've read in a while haha

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