AMA Starting Procedure and Wheel Swaps: Cutting it Close

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Edited Date/Time 3/2/2024 7:34pm

Interesting move before the 450 Main after seeing how tight the rear wheel swap was for Anstie...Any potential ramifications? Very rarely do the AMA officials have to ask mechanics to leave, usually they have all cleared out by the the time the 30-second card is up. See bullet point 2.

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Page 44 of current SX Rulebook:

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they were a little late taking off a tire cover damn

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3/2/2024 7:51pm

Was anyone else nervous for Jett? I was sure he was missing the start of that race.

Probably could have still podiumed if he had. But Eli and Chase would have been out of reach. Kinda crazy they didn't learn from cutting it close in the 250 race.

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3/2/2024 7:51pm
crc245 wrote:
Interesting move before the 450 Main after seeing how tight the rear wheel swap was for Anstie...Any potential ramifications? Very rarely do the AMA officials have...

Interesting move before the 450 Main after seeing how tight the rear wheel swap was for Anstie...Any potential ramifications? Very rarely do the AMA officials have to ask mechanics to leave, usually they have all cleared out by the the time the 30-second card is up. See bullet point 2.

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Page 44 of current SX Rulebook:

https://amasupercross.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-AMA-Supercros…

I was  thinking the same when this happened , it would be a penalty under gp rules , as you are not allowed anyone to touch the bike once loaded in the gate 

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What repairs were they making? It was a stubborn tire cover. 

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Risk vs reward on that whole thing didn’t seem worth it to me. 

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Sully wrote:

What repairs were they making? It was a stubborn tire cover. 

I think they swapped a tire at the last minute.   What it looked like to me.

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Sully wrote:

What repairs were they making? It was a stubborn tire cover. 

wwdiii wrote:

I think they swapped a tire at the last minute.   What it looked like to me.

Wouldn’t surprise me if they did, but as long as they did it before he rolled into his gate, there’s no penalty. The issue before the gate drop was just stubborn snaps on the tire cover. Guess we’ll find out when the penalty report is released. 

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Sully wrote:

What repairs were they making? It was a stubborn tire cover. 

Umm repairing the rear wheel from going out with a cover on it??

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Doesn’t a rider waving on the starting line still get them 2 minutes?

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Sully wrote:

What repairs were they making? It was a stubborn tire cover. 

yak651 wrote:

Umm repairing the rear wheel from going out with a cover on it??

See CPR’s post. 

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3/2/2024 8:22pm
lumpy790 wrote:

Doesn’t a rider waving on the starting line still get them 2 minutes?

Not once the 30 sec board is up 

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Sully wrote:

What repairs were they making? It was a stubborn tire cover. 

wwdiii wrote:

I think they swapped a tire at the last minute.   What it looked like to me.

They were putting on a fresh wheel after the sight lap so he didn’t have a muddy tire for the grate start. Anstie did the same.

Questionable advantage with lots of risk for disaster if something goes wrong, drop an axle nut in the sand, don’t push axle blocks up against chain adjuster, tire cover gets tangled up.

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It was a huge risk and didn’t look like it added much value for both classes.  Better off spending the time cleaning the tyre on the line.  
 

Can’t see them doing that again anytime soon

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crc245 wrote:
Interesting move before the 450 Main after seeing how tight the rear wheel swap was for Anstie...Any potential ramifications? Very rarely do the AMA officials have...

Interesting move before the 450 Main after seeing how tight the rear wheel swap was for Anstie...Any potential ramifications? Very rarely do the AMA officials have to ask mechanics to leave, usually they have all cleared out by the the time the 30-second card is up. See bullet point 2.

Screen Shot 2024-03-02 at 7.27.15 PM

Page 44 of current SX Rulebook:

https://amasupercross.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-AMA-Supercros…

Probably a strongly worded email and double secret probation 

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lumpy790 wrote:

Doesn’t a rider waving on the starting line still get them 2 minutes?

Yea it normally does. But I feel like this wheel change is choice so it might cancel out the right to ask for extra time.

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crc245 wrote:
Interesting move before the 450 Main after seeing how tight the rear wheel swap was for Anstie...Any potential ramifications? Very rarely do the AMA officials have...

Interesting move before the 450 Main after seeing how tight the rear wheel swap was for Anstie...Any potential ramifications? Very rarely do the AMA officials have to ask mechanics to leave, usually they have all cleared out by the the time the 30-second card is up. See bullet point 2.

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Page 44 of current SX Rulebook:

https://amasupercross.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-AMA-Supercros…

There is no way Jett's deal did not interfere with the riders either side. 

Rule is there for a reason, it was broken. Tyre covers are fine but they need to be off before you go to the gate, which is why GP teams carry the bike to the grate. 

If there isnt a penalty, then they are not enforcing the rules. 

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crc245 wrote:
Interesting move before the 450 Main after seeing how tight the rear wheel swap was for Anstie...Any potential ramifications? Very rarely do the AMA officials have...

Interesting move before the 450 Main after seeing how tight the rear wheel swap was for Anstie...Any potential ramifications? Very rarely do the AMA officials have to ask mechanics to leave, usually they have all cleared out by the the time the 30-second card is up. See bullet point 2.

Screen Shot 2024-03-02 at 7.27.15 PM

Page 44 of current SX Rulebook:

https://amasupercross.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-AMA-Supercros…

philG wrote:
There is no way Jett's deal did not interfere with the riders either side.  Rule is there for a reason, it was broken. Tyre covers are...

There is no way Jett's deal did not interfere with the riders either side. 

Rule is there for a reason, it was broken. Tyre covers are fine but they need to be off before you go to the gate, which is why GP teams carry the bike to the grate. 

If there isnt a penalty, then they are not enforcing the rules. 

I agree, but there won't be 100%.  

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crc245 wrote:
Interesting move before the 450 Main after seeing how tight the rear wheel swap was for Anstie...Any potential ramifications? Very rarely do the AMA officials have...

Interesting move before the 450 Main after seeing how tight the rear wheel swap was for Anstie...Any potential ramifications? Very rarely do the AMA officials have to ask mechanics to leave, usually they have all cleared out by the the time the 30-second card is up. See bullet point 2.

Screen Shot 2024-03-02 at 7.27.15 PM

Page 44 of current SX Rulebook:

https://amasupercross.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/2024-AMA-Supercros…

philG wrote:
There is no way Jett's deal did not interfere with the riders either side.  Rule is there for a reason, it was broken. Tyre covers are...

There is no way Jett's deal did not interfere with the riders either side. 

Rule is there for a reason, it was broken. Tyre covers are fine but they need to be off before you go to the gate, which is why GP teams carry the bike to the grate. 

If there isnt a penalty, then they are not enforcing the rules. 

Yep, not about Jett, it's about the clusterfuck they created for the riders on either side of him. Might as well be shining a laser in their eyes from the stands... 

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It was extremely close being 2-3 seconds before the gate drop but even with the chaos he did nail a good start.

Will they fine Jett for still having 2 mechanics on the start line?

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3/3/2024 8:23am

They changed max’s rear then rolled it through the mud…. 

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Ah the Jett haters are out in full force. Do you seriously think the riders on either side of him were looking at anything but the gate?

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If there is a rule it should be enforced, if not make one. If the gate would have dropped, I could see the mechanics arm being pulled into the rear wheel or chain.

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3/3/2024 8:52am

I looked for a bit, but did not find a rule stating (something to the affect) that once the 30 second board is raised that the mechanics must leave the area behind the starting gate. Perhaps, that is not a rule.  The AMA official tried to get the mechanics out of there at the last second.

 

The race would have definitely had a different outcome if either: The AMA official removed the mechanics before the tire cover was removed or the bike was backed out of the gate to have the tire cover removed - resulting in Jett missing the gate drop by at least a few seconds.

 

Why would anyone think that removing the tire cover is not some type of "repair?"  You have 2 mechanics with hands on the bike, taking it from a non-ready condition to a ready to race condition.

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Man....I woulda loved to see the start with that tire cover on....  that would have been epic. 

As for the "gray area" of the tire cover and the rule....   they ain't gonna touch their cashcow.   

 

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I looked for a bit, but did not find a rule stating (something to the affect) that once the 30 second board is raised that the...

I looked for a bit, but did not find a rule stating (something to the affect) that once the 30 second board is raised that the mechanics must leave the area behind the starting gate. Perhaps, that is not a rule.  The AMA official tried to get the mechanics out of there at the last second.

 

The race would have definitely had a different outcome if either: The AMA official removed the mechanics before the tire cover was removed or the bike was backed out of the gate to have the tire cover removed - resulting in Jett missing the gate drop by at least a few seconds.

 

Why would anyone think that removing the tire cover is not some type of "repair?"  You have 2 mechanics with hands on the bike, taking it from a non-ready condition to a ready to race condition.

Because if you point out they received preferential treatment last night you are branded a hater

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3/3/2024 8:59am Edited Date/Time 3/3/2024 9:02am

It's pretty clear that the rule states repairs, can't race the race with a wheel cover on. A repair was made and not pushed back from gate. Action needs to be taken in some form. If Ando's team made that error, he would have been penalized last night.

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Popeye wrote:
If there is a rule it should be enforced, if not make one. If the gate would have dropped, I could see the mechanics arm being...

If there is a rule it should be enforced, if not make one. If the gate would have dropped, I could see the mechanics arm being pulled into the rear wheel or chain.

A huge danger to the mechanic is a legit point....

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jjavaman wrote:
Ah the Jett haters are out in full force. Do you seriously think the riders on either side of him were looking at anything but the...

Ah the Jett haters are out in full force. Do you seriously think the riders on either side of him were looking at anything but the gate?

Tell me you never raced without telling me you never raced.

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The rules on working on the bike while in the gate were broken, plain and simple. Doesn't matter if it's a wheel cover or adjusting a lever. Either way nothing will come of it. 

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