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2/26/2024 2:51pm

Literally not surprised. Its even on PC's rider bio page. All I did was search the word "injury" and 7 hits came up from the last 7 years of his career...wow. And he's crashed out of a lot more races than they summarized here.

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2/26/2024 3:02pm

forkner said that his contact lens popped out of his eye and that may affected his judgement on that rhythm lane. there use to be a company that made prescription goggle lenses. not sure if they are still in business but if so that would be better to have the lenses than your contact lenses popping out ... dont some of you wear glasses when you ride ?

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2/26/2024 3:18pm

I will say I had a contact lense pop out wearing Scott Prospects as well. They vent really well and let a lot of air in, which dried my lense out. 
 

Fro said he electrical tapes his goggle vents to keep his eyes from watering

 

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2/26/2024 4:13pm

For the casual racer/fan like me, this is what I don't understand.  Its the end of the race, track is getting super sketchy, mistakes are happening at speed, you have a MASSIVE points lead, you are riding with 1/2 vision, why not back it down and take a 2nd or 3rd?  Tomac just did in Detroit due to arm pump, zero shame in that, went from being lapped to 2nd place this week.  I have been a fan since he was an amateur and wish him nothing but the best but its frustrating.  RC even said right before the crash, this is the point in the race where he needs to manage the mistakes and back it down if necessary, race for a title not race wins.  Something doesn't seem to let him do that.  It reminds me of the football player RG3, who outplayed his body.  An awful, awful crash, I hope we see him again, nobody deserves his luck.  That look on his face was haunting, you could see he was completely gutted...........  

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2/26/2024 5:25pm
LBiggie wrote:
For the casual racer/fan like me, this is what I don't understand.  Its the end of the race, track is getting super sketchy, mistakes are happening...

For the casual racer/fan like me, this is what I don't understand.  Its the end of the race, track is getting super sketchy, mistakes are happening at speed, you have a MASSIVE points lead, you are riding with 1/2 vision, why not back it down and take a 2nd or 3rd?  Tomac just did in Detroit due to arm pump, zero shame in that, went from being lapped to 2nd place this week.  I have been a fan since he was an amateur and wish him nothing but the best but its frustrating.  RC even said right before the crash, this is the point in the race where he needs to manage the mistakes and back it down if necessary, race for a title not race wins.  Something doesn't seem to let him do that.  It reminds me of the football player RG3, who outplayed his body.  An awful, awful crash, I hope we see him again, nobody deserves his luck.  That look on his face was haunting, you could see he was completely gutted...........  

Hindsight’s always 20/20. I’m sure Forkner’s kicking himself over that same thing. He was riding good though, and was just flowing around the track. Also, the track might’ve changed just a little in that part… maybe.

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2/26/2024 5:31pm
Such a bummer.  I couldn't believe it. I'm glad that he will be ok. I felt sick seeing him go down.  Such a bummer to have...

Such a bummer.  I couldn't believe it. I'm glad that he will be ok. I felt sick seeing him go down.  Such a bummer to have come back so many times already.  When Austin's time racing is done, I think he could be an amazing mental coach. 

 

  Rider worn airbag systems like the one Alpinestars has for road and rally might be the biggest improvement in safety gear when they can get them to work for MX/SX. I wonder if having a remote to have the bag fill up and have a spotter, would be an option for pro racing or in addition to the sensors they have. In a crash like Austins ,He would have had time to activate it himself. I wonder how many top guys would wear something like that if they had the option?  

The rider doesn't deploy the airbag, I believe it is automatic. MX application could use a tether perhaps

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2/26/2024 5:37pm

Sorry if I missed it???  Is Forkner alright?

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2/26/2024 5:55pm
LBiggie wrote:
For the casual racer/fan like me, this is what I don't understand.  Its the end of the race, track is getting super sketchy, mistakes are happening...

For the casual racer/fan like me, this is what I don't understand.  Its the end of the race, track is getting super sketchy, mistakes are happening at speed, you have a MASSIVE points lead, you are riding with 1/2 vision, why not back it down and take a 2nd or 3rd?  Tomac just did in Detroit due to arm pump, zero shame in that, went from being lapped to 2nd place this week.  I have been a fan since he was an amateur and wish him nothing but the best but its frustrating.  RC even said right before the crash, this is the point in the race where he needs to manage the mistakes and back it down if necessary, race for a title not race wins.  Something doesn't seem to let him do that.  It reminds me of the football player RG3, who outplayed his body.  An awful, awful crash, I hope we see him again, nobody deserves his luck.  That look on his face was haunting, you could see he was completely gutted...........  

burn1986 wrote:
Hindsight’s always 20/20. I’m sure Forkner’s kicking himself over that same thing. He was riding good though, and was just flowing around the track. Also, the...

Hindsight’s always 20/20. I’m sure Forkner’s kicking himself over that same thing. He was riding good though, and was just flowing around the track. Also, the track might’ve changed just a little in that part… maybe.

He'll obviously recover from this physically.  How much does this affect him mentally though? Is it going to be constantly in his head, waiting for that shoe to drop and "bad luck" to come. Or can these pros keep pushing through these things?

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2/26/2024 6:06pm Edited Date/Time 2/26/2024 6:33pm
HonDawg17 wrote:

Okay seriously though... is ANYONE really surprised he crashed his brains out again? My bet was round 3, didn't even make it to that.

Thanks for taking the spot light off me dude. There’s always someone dumber 😂

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2/26/2024 6:08pm
HonDawg17 wrote:

Okay seriously though... is ANYONE really surprised he crashed his brains out again? My bet was round 3, didn't even make it to that.

Talon wrote:

Thanks for taking the spot light off me dude. There’s always someone dumber 😂

LaughingLaughingLaughing

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2/26/2024 6:11pm
LBiggie wrote:
For the casual racer/fan like me, this is what I don't understand.  Its the end of the race, track is getting super sketchy, mistakes are happening...

For the casual racer/fan like me, this is what I don't understand.  Its the end of the race, track is getting super sketchy, mistakes are happening at speed, you have a MASSIVE points lead, you are riding with 1/2 vision, why not back it down and take a 2nd or 3rd?  Tomac just did in Detroit due to arm pump, zero shame in that, went from being lapped to 2nd place this week.  I have been a fan since he was an amateur and wish him nothing but the best but its frustrating.  RC even said right before the crash, this is the point in the race where he needs to manage the mistakes and back it down if necessary, race for a title not race wins.  Something doesn't seem to let him do that.  It reminds me of the football player RG3, who outplayed his body.  An awful, awful crash, I hope we see him again, nobody deserves his luck.  That look on his face was haunting, you could see he was completely gutted...........  

burn1986 wrote:
Hindsight’s always 20/20. I’m sure Forkner’s kicking himself over that same thing. He was riding good though, and was just flowing around the track. Also, the...

Hindsight’s always 20/20. I’m sure Forkner’s kicking himself over that same thing. He was riding good though, and was just flowing around the track. Also, the track might’ve changed just a little in that part… maybe.

He'll obviously recover from this physically.  How much does this affect him mentally though? Is it going to be constantly in his head, waiting for that...

He'll obviously recover from this physically.  How much does this affect him mentally though? Is it going to be constantly in his head, waiting for that shoe to drop and "bad luck" to come. Or can these pros keep pushing through these things?

Obviously there's always a "last straw," but if he can come back from getting rag dolled 30' out of the gate at A1 last year to ride the way he did this year, I think he can do it again.

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2/26/2024 6:17pm Edited Date/Time 2/26/2024 6:26pm

Watching the replay of Glendale this evening, Thrasher’s wreck there was basically a mirror image of Forkners!! He would have probably had some serious injury if it wasn’t for the dirt being packed in between the jumps and landing on it with his back instead of the stadium floor 3/4 ft below!

Hoping Austin’s recovery goes well and he can get back to where he was! Was hoping to see him have an awesome, injury free year for a change. That was definitely heart wrenching to watch, gutted for him!

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2/26/2024 6:18pm
burn1986 wrote:
Hindsight’s always 20/20. I’m sure Forkner’s kicking himself over that same thing. He was riding good though, and was just flowing around the track. Also, the...

Hindsight’s always 20/20. I’m sure Forkner’s kicking himself over that same thing. He was riding good though, and was just flowing around the track. Also, the track might’ve changed just a little in that part… maybe.

He'll obviously recover from this physically.  How much does this affect him mentally though? Is it going to be constantly in his head, waiting for that...

He'll obviously recover from this physically.  How much does this affect him mentally though? Is it going to be constantly in his head, waiting for that shoe to drop and "bad luck" to come. Or can these pros keep pushing through these things?

Sully wrote:
Obviously there's always a "last straw," but if he can come back from getting rag dolled 30' out of the gate at A1 last year to...

Obviously there's always a "last straw," but if he can come back from getting rag dolled 30' out of the gate at A1 last year to ride the way he did this year, I think he can do it again.

I hope so. I'm still feeling it for him, days later. I was the furthest thing from a fan of his until this year. But I was pulling for him so much. I was totally feeling like this was going to be his year like 2019 was for AC

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2/26/2024 7:08pm
LBiggie wrote:
For the casual racer/fan like me, this is what I don't understand.  Its the end of the race, track is getting super sketchy, mistakes are happening...

For the casual racer/fan like me, this is what I don't understand.  Its the end of the race, track is getting super sketchy, mistakes are happening at speed, you have a MASSIVE points lead, you are riding with 1/2 vision, why not back it down and take a 2nd or 3rd?  Tomac just did in Detroit due to arm pump, zero shame in that, went from being lapped to 2nd place this week.  I have been a fan since he was an amateur and wish him nothing but the best but its frustrating.  RC even said right before the crash, this is the point in the race where he needs to manage the mistakes and back it down if necessary, race for a title not race wins.  Something doesn't seem to let him do that.  It reminds me of the football player RG3, who outplayed his body.  An awful, awful crash, I hope we see him again, nobody deserves his luck.  That look on his face was haunting, you could see he was completely gutted...........  

My exact thought. Even without the massive points lead, if my vision is compromised I’m backing it down and being fine with a 2nd place finish. But we don’t know everything. Maybe there was something else making him keep take the risks. 

2/26/2024 9:47pm

Forkner's resume..FORKNER-HISTORY

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2/27/2024 1:55am Edited Date/Time 2/27/2024 2:13am
HonDawg17 wrote:
Forkner's resume..

Forkner's resume..FORKNER-HISTORY

Wow. That’s very telling

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2/27/2024 2:07am Edited Date/Time 2/27/2024 2:11am

A demo of the Alpine Stars Airbag tech - I think it's now compulsory in the Dakar? :

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RLzRqUVOGuc

No doubt some here will get all upset about it , but, it's out there (I think it's being sold / about to be sold?) , and, some may choose to use it.

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2/27/2024 2:41am
HonDawg17 wrote:
Forkner's resume..

Forkner's resume..FORKNER-HISTORY

I don’t think this makes your case. Can we see a graph or pie chart next? Seriously though, when we’re at our local races I generally can pick out the kids who are more prone to crashing. Some riders are like that. The difference is when they go down I don’t yell to the crowd “I knew it! Is anyone surprised that kid just wadded? Haha” that would be ignorant ya know?

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Such a bummer.  I couldn't believe it. I'm glad that he will be ok. I felt sick seeing him go down.  Such a bummer to have...

Such a bummer.  I couldn't believe it. I'm glad that he will be ok. I felt sick seeing him go down.  Such a bummer to have come back so many times already.  When Austin's time racing is done, I think he could be an amazing mental coach. 

 

  Rider worn airbag systems like the one Alpinestars has for road and rally might be the biggest improvement in safety gear when they can get them to work for MX/SX. I wonder if having a remote to have the bag fill up and have a spotter, would be an option for pro racing or in addition to the sensors they have. In a crash like Austins ,He would have had time to activate it himself. I wonder how many top guys would wear something like that if they had the option?  

Spoonguy wrote:

The rider doesn't deploy the airbag, I believe it is automatic. MX application could use a tether perhaps

I don't know how the tech works. But in moto gp. Does it deploy on all crashes or only over a certain speed?

Coz if it deployed for eli or in either of jetts crashes there race would be over. I think the downsides would outweigh the rewards.

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HonDawg17 wrote:
Forkner's resume..

Forkner's resume..FORKNER-HISTORY

cwel11 wrote:
I don’t think this makes your case. Can we see a graph or pie chart next? Seriously though, when we’re at our local races I generally...

I don’t think this makes your case. Can we see a graph or pie chart next? Seriously though, when we’re at our local races I generally can pick out the kids who are more prone to crashing. Some riders are like that. The difference is when they go down I don’t yell to the crowd “I knew it! Is anyone surprised that kid just wadded? Haha” that would be ignorant ya know?

Dare I say it, that would make you an asshole

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2/27/2024 5:20am
HonDawg17 wrote:
Forkner's resume..

Forkner's resume..FORKNER-HISTORY

I truly don’t get why people are so upset at those of us pointing out it’s the same exact thing every season. 2022 was the only one where it was truly just bad luck. Are we supposed to pretend this isn’t normal? None of us want to see injuries and we all want to see the best guys out there every round. We all want him to make a quick recovery and be 100%. This doesn’t change the facts. He has to back it down a bit and ride in control. He was sketchy all day Saturday and kept pushing. That crash was inevitable.

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2/27/2024 5:40am Edited Date/Time 2/27/2024 5:44am
HonDawg17 wrote:
Forkner's resume..

Forkner's resume..FORKNER-HISTORY

Why does his resume only include failures?

 

I know your trying to compare it to Deegans so they both look similar after 1 year if you ask me.

 

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2/27/2024 5:56am Edited Date/Time 2/27/2024 6:01am
HonDawg17 wrote:
Forkner's resume..

Forkner's resume..FORKNER-HISTORY

I truly don’t get why people are so upset at those of us pointing out it’s the same exact thing every season. 2022 was the only...

I truly don’t get why people are so upset at those of us pointing out it’s the same exact thing every season. 2022 was the only one where it was truly just bad luck. Are we supposed to pretend this isn’t normal? None of us want to see injuries and we all want to see the best guys out there every round. We all want him to make a quick recovery and be 100%. This doesn’t change the facts. He has to back it down a bit and ride in control. He was sketchy all day Saturday and kept pushing. That crash was inevitable.

On the title 24 podcast both ricky and villopoto explain that this crash wasnt due to bad luck. Villopoto showed how mcelrath and hunter both cased it as bad or worse, but they did the right things with their body positions and knowing they had to adjust to save it and they made it through. Vuillemin also had a similar take on his podcast. He said how jett got squirley and landed on a tough block but he landed full brakes clutch in and had just a small tip over. If his contact did fall out Id say that could be considered bad luck I guess, but either way he still prob should have backed it down and took a 2nd or 3rd. Absolutely sucks to see what happened. Hopefully he learns from this and comes back better. 
 

 

 

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Different angle of the crash 

 

 

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2/27/2024 6:51am
Pop Shmoke wrote:
On the title 24 podcast both ricky and villopoto explain that this crash wasnt due to bad luck. Villopoto showed how mcelrath and hunter both cased...

On the title 24 podcast both ricky and villopoto explain that this crash wasnt due to bad luck. Villopoto showed how mcelrath and hunter both cased it as bad or worse, but they did the right things with their body positions and knowing they had to adjust to save it and they made it through. Vuillemin also had a similar take on his podcast. He said how jett got squirley and landed on a tough block but he landed full brakes clutch in and had just a small tip over. If his contact did fall out Id say that could be considered bad luck I guess, but either way he still prob should have backed it down and took a 2nd or 3rd. Absolutely sucks to see what happened. Hopefully he learns from this and comes back better. 
 

 

 

DV12's podcast talks about how he shouldn't have crashed either. He pointed out his hands are fully on the bars, not a finger on the clutch or brake in case of an issue. So he was committed to just jump it as if it was normal. But even DV said, "anybody that's ridden for a while, you know as soon as you take off if you are going to be short or long." And Austin didn't even calculate where he was landing or what the outcome was going to be. Its as if he wasn't even paying attention, or he can't process the information fast enough for his riding speed. DV also went back to qualifying where he had multiple timing issues in the rhythm before the whoops, landing long and almost smashing his face on the handlebars. Either way the kid has a massive track record for crashing. I'm not glad the kid crashed, or hating on him. Its just beyond ridiculous the kid keeps crashing so hard and never learning from his mistakes. This one was avoidable, no matter how many of you say otherwise.

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2/27/2024 6:56am Edited Date/Time 2/27/2024 7:01am
HonDawg17 wrote:
DV12's podcast talks about how he shouldn't have crashed either. He pointed out his hands are fully on the bars, not a finger on the clutch...

DV12's podcast talks about how he shouldn't have crashed either. He pointed out his hands are fully on the bars, not a finger on the clutch or brake in case of an issue. So he was committed to just jump it as if it was normal. But even DV said, "anybody that's ridden for a while, you know as soon as you take off if you are going to be short or long." And Austin didn't even calculate where he was landing or what the outcome was going to be. Its as if he wasn't even paying attention, or he can't process the information fast enough for his riding speed. DV also went back to qualifying where he had multiple timing issues in the rhythm before the whoops, landing long and almost smashing his face on the handlebars. Either way the kid has a massive track record for crashing. I'm not glad the kid crashed, or hating on him. Its just beyond ridiculous the kid keeps crashing so hard and never learning from his mistakes. This one was avoidable, no matter how many of you say otherwise.

Either that or his contact fell out so for what he was perceiving he was correct...

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2/27/2024 7:05am
HonDawg17 wrote:
Forkner's resume..

Forkner's resume..FORKNER-HISTORY

MxAddic wrote:
Why does his resume only include failures?   I know your trying to compare it to Deegans so they both look similar after 1 year if...

Why does his resume only include failures?

 

I know your trying to compare it to Deegans so they both look similar after 1 year if you ask me.

 

Who tf brought up Deegan? This is a Forkner thread.. And his resume of crashing out is insanely relevant when we're having a literal discussion of this crash and his crash to injury history over his ENTIRE CAREER.

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burn1986 wrote:
Different angle of the crash     

Different angle of the crash 

 

 

Looked like he had no split-second internal debate on trying to save it or bail. He just let go! Terrible hit.

 

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2/27/2024 7:51am Edited Date/Time 2/27/2024 7:52am
HonDawg17 wrote:
DV12's podcast talks about how he shouldn't have crashed either. He pointed out his hands are fully on the bars, not a finger on the clutch...

DV12's podcast talks about how he shouldn't have crashed either. He pointed out his hands are fully on the bars, not a finger on the clutch or brake in case of an issue. So he was committed to just jump it as if it was normal. But even DV said, "anybody that's ridden for a while, you know as soon as you take off if you are going to be short or long." And Austin didn't even calculate where he was landing or what the outcome was going to be. Its as if he wasn't even paying attention, or he can't process the information fast enough for his riding speed. DV also went back to qualifying where he had multiple timing issues in the rhythm before the whoops, landing long and almost smashing his face on the handlebars. Either way the kid has a massive track record for crashing. I'm not glad the kid crashed, or hating on him. Its just beyond ridiculous the kid keeps crashing so hard and never learning from his mistakes. This one was avoidable, no matter how many of you say otherwise.

MxAddic wrote:

Either that or his contact fell out so for what he was perceiving he was correct...

Yea that definitely could explain why he didnt have react as if he was going to come up short. In that case though he should have backed it down and switched to the safer line through that section and just brought it home. Its always easy to monday morning quarterback it but I’m sure Austin prob feels he should have done that also with how the result turned out. I’m absolutely gutted for the dude and this really puts a damper on the east championship now. 

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I feel like guys come up short like that so often that they really don't think much of it. Bike usually soaks it up and on they go. I'm always blown away by it because I would die every time. This time it just got him. 

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