I watched Stark CEO interview video: https://youtu.be/3AW_ik9YtPA?si=4p8CNncpOBhXMeuS
At time 24:40 they discuss the race charger that Stark uses. Anton then says that the limitation on charging the Stark is the 3.3kW charger they include and the power available. The bike itself can handle a much, much higher charge rate. (I always wondered about this, as our Tesla can drive for 250 miles (3-4 hours) and charge in 20 mins; with the Stark, if I ride for 20 mins, I have to charge for 20 mins to get back to same charge percentage; this was before the software update).
If Stark were to release an optional 10kW fast charger for the US market:
1. The bike would charge roughly 3x as fast (10kw vs 3.3kW).
2. It would work on three different applications that are quite common in US:
A. NEMA 14-50 outlet. It's single phase 220V at 50 amps. This is what all EV home chargers use, what all large RV's use, and welders use in rural America.
B. Cybertruck has this outlet in the bed.
C. Large generators. My $1000 i7100 from Costco will only output 5.7kw continous. It's $2300 for a 9.5kW Predator that is quiet. It's less than $1000 for a non-quiet version of the 10kW generator, but those generators are super loud. Please don't be that guy at the track that shows up with a Stark and runs a super loud generator!!
Here is my ride cycle approximately after the software update:
PROJECTIONS WITH STOCK 3.3KW CHARGER AND SOFTWARE UPDATE:
Battery : 100%
Ride 28 mins
Charge 16 mins
Battery : 90%
Ride 28 mins
Charge 16 mins
Battery : 80%
I do this for five cycles (or less). Total ride time 140 mins, charge time 80 mins.
PROJECTIONS WITH A 10KW CHARGER:
Battery : 100%
Ride 28 mins
Charge 6 mins
Battery : 90%
Ride 28 mins
Charge 6 mins
Battery : 80%
I would attemp this for five cycles (and fail miserably). Total ride time 140 mins, charge time 30 mins.
I don't think there is a human being alive that could ride moto at intensity for 140 mins with only 30 mins of rest in spaced during the riding.
Pros with world class fitness levels ride for 35 mins, than have an hour break and ride for 35 mins again. They are completely blown out after this, which is 70 mins of riding with 60 mins of rest.
The Stark Future looks bright. These fast chargers are already available on the open market, it's just a matter of Stark testing them, setting them up correctly to sell to the public, and releasing a software update that allows amerage to go past 10A in the app. It may require a thicker charge cable, I don't know how much amperage the charge cable can handle.
PS Anton talks about the potential for 3-phase 400V charging. This power is only in industrial applications (huge water pumps or industrial motors) and I don't think there will every be enough demand to for this application.
if only there was a dedicated stark/ev forum you could have posted this in.
Because we needed yet another Stark thread in moto......
Can you imagine if 30 guys with welders showed up and wanted to plug in. The track owner would be like GTFOOH>
Maybe we can talk them into setting up a free gas pump...
People might as well post all their For Sale ads here too, instead of the Bazaar. It's moto related, after all.
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Exactly.
It's gotten out of hand.
My guess is the tracks will install NEMA 14-50 outlets just like RV parks and charge for their use. Especially if you can charge three times faster than with a $1,000 generator.
Seems like every track that has RV hookups or RV park has wired outlets vs the enourmous generator you posted. Maybe I've just witnessed the outliers with actual wiring and all the parks you visit use generators....
Stop bending the minds of our more vulnerable members. They will have an existential crisis soon
It's funny how all the haters spend their Saturday afternoon bitching on the internet instead of riding their gas bikes.
Saturday morning for me. .............but I love the irony in your post.
Wait the argument around here is that Stark's aren't moto related?
Jesus christ the old slow and fat guys on this forum really show their stupidity sometimes
This guy posting about charging Stark Vargs and the best option is no different then the guys posting about what fuel to run in their moto bikes.
They are all moto bikes and all the same with different ways to power them. So they are all “moto-related”. If they weren’t then the moderators would be moving the threads.
You know what makes us "old, slow and fat" guys smile.... the fact that one day people like you will be an old, slow and fat guy.
If you're fortunate enough to still be able to ride and have the $$$$ for it that is.
If that is what you think I suggest you have a conversation with the track owners.
I thought you were ignoring me.
I'm posting while rocking my 2 month old daughter to sleep to give my wife some time to herself, she's deserves it.
Tracks have venders that sell race gas. Tracks charge for sites that You can plug an RV into. What would make you think that anybody expects a track to offer free charging?? It would be another opportunity for a track to make money. If it worked out logistically, like any other thing they do. It might not make sense at every track.
That's the issue logistics.
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Ignore you? Nah....you haven't reached "irrelevant asshole" status like a number of other people on the board.
....and I'm sitting here working while posting. Probably will go for a ride later today.
The fast charger looks like it is going to be pretty slick once released!
As for now I can do about what you describe at my ability (30A). Anything more is a waste for me and just not realistically possible to ride more. That amount of riding is plenty but I don’t have my own power source yet as I am still figuring what I want to do. I’ll make a decision eventually. But it’s working for getting plenty of riding now without taking a charging source with me.
Did you know charging 1 EV is the same as running 25 fridges or 3 central AC units?
I'm still waiting for my electric company to come through my neighborhood and drop in some giant cabling to get ready for this electric future that's so eminent.
Crazy huh? I’m not riding an E-bike to save the planet, I’m riding it because it’s fun and that is what riding is about. Sometimes I ride my 2 and 4 strokes too cause it’s fun also.
Only in the USA is it natural progression to get fat lol
Just like earlier Gas stations. At one point not enough people needed gas for it to be easy to buy.
If the demand increases than they can be profitable enough to put in at more tracks. Right now there is more of a demand for RV plugs than places to charge a Varg at most tracks. The good thing is that both things can be done with the same plug. And people have been using generators for RV's for a longtime. Running the AC on an RV would be similar to charging .
I imagine the tracks that are farther away from resources , out in the middle of noplace, will have less of a benefit from making less sound. And the tracks closer to towns and powerlines could benefit more from less noise and will also be easier and more affordable for them to do.
Just like You have some tracks that are hardpack or Sand, faster wideopen, or slower , big jumps, no jumps. Some tracks have spots to plug an RV in, some have water to wash Your bike. Some do not have either. Some tracks will have water at multiple spots, some tracks You have to bring Your own water. An outlet for charging Your bike would be a similar thing.
Whatever beliefs help you sleep at night.....
Meanwhile in the real world.
Such a large range of vehicles can be classified as an EV. For sake of this being Moto related You might think that You would talk about what a Varg or Alta might need to be charged............
A Tesla Model S has a 114 KWH battery. it costs about $12 to charge to full at my shop ( a real world number from charging that model at the rates I was charged when it was charged). A Stark Varg battery is 6.5KWH roughly 17 times smaller than an average Tesla battery. Charging this EV can use the amount of power You were claiming (The Tesla). Of course it depends on what charger You are using. Some will use less power over a longer period, some use more over a shorter time.
A single average central AC uses 3000-3500 watts per hour. And that is just about what a Varg uses while charging.
So running Your central AC for 2 hours will use about the same power as charging a Varg from Dead to 100%
We are talking about Motocross bikes here right? Electric MX bikes. A Tesla or other electric Car is not very moto related, and I know how You guys dislike talking about EMX bikes in the Moto related forum. Is talking about a generic EV more moto related?
Back when ICE was the new kid on the black, the same arguments were made. Dangerous,lack of infrastructure, etc. Funny how there were no gas stations until people needed gas? I'm not totally sold on the Electric power for everything argument. It will work great on some stuff and not others. Just like Gas and diesel do.
Dual citizen here 🤷♂️
360-400v 3-phase is used in EU for many applications was him talking about. Faster charging should be pretty easy to do in EU.
I would like to know when they are updating to next generation cells that are now out and have little more capacity.
Come on, don't be ridiculous.
For a Varg to use as much electricity as your fridge you would need to charge your bike 200 times a year. That's a solid 150 h run time. And of course you charge it from your standard house outlet, no modification required whatsoever.
Assuming 50 h riding per year, you need to find 74 electric riding buddies to use as much electricity as your quoted 25 fridges
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