Why is McGrath "The King" in the Current Era?

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Let’s dumb it down..

90’s MC Was a league above everyone

00’s JS CR and RC owned the podium (no wheelbarrows)

10’s RV&RD show, yet JS and CR occasionally reminded everyone why they are all time greats

20’s welcome to the Eli show, his inconsistency lost him titles that he easily could have won

2024.. nobody is being handed shit..

Eli wants redemption

Coop wants to show he still has it

Jett wants to be the new top dog

Chase wants to Defend

Kenny is the best we have seen in years

This season is shaping up to be one of the greatest ever.. grab your popcorn and enjoy the ride!!!

 

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KurtJ99 wrote:
It's a decent question, though maybe poised weirdly, to define what the "modern era" is for supercross (and motocross) and what it isn't - and if...

It's a decent question, though maybe poised weirdly, to define what the "modern era" is for supercross (and motocross) and what it isn't - and if the King's record is relevant. 

I've heard "modern era" in the TV broadcasts but not sure if the Vital illuminati have defined what it is/isn't. I feel it was somewhere in the late 80's/early 90's the supercross tracks started to resemble what we have today, with defined whoop and rhythm sections. 

If I look at the 1986 Anaheim supercross (RJ vs Bailey), that track had doubles and triples, but doesn't really resemble today's tracks so I think that is too far back.

Four strokes vs two strokes don't really define it; we had many years of crossover.

McGrath's record is relevant to me today for supercross, either way. 

 

For those wondering, this is what I had in mind for responses. Not "lets reset it every 5 years- is that what you want!!!!" Silly

Kurt, I tend to agree with you and may push that to mid 90's to 2000. It seems like things really shifted after this point. Thats just me though.

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mxb2 wrote:

Why, because the answers arent want you want?  

OwenJakes wrote:
chris clifford and shakybones provided some good information and perspective. That's what I was kind of looking for. the rest of it is just seething boomer...

chris clifford and shakybones provided some good information and perspective. That's what I was kind of looking for. the rest of it is just seething boomer energy.

Gee, it's almost like people don't appreciate a child trying to talk down to adults about a topic we have first-hand experience with.   Btw, I'm...

Gee, it's almost like people don't appreciate a child trying to talk down to adults about a topic we have first-hand experience with.

 

Btw, I'm 30 so your "boomer" insults don't really work here. I'm not a boomer, I'm just informed. You're not. And that's the difference

You cry. Hard. 

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Was Roger Maris’ home run record still relevant?

OwenJakes wrote:
I don't know who that is but it sounds like baseball so im not sure how that equates to motocross. I said mcgrath to tomac is...

I don't know who that is but it sounds like baseball so im not sure how that equates to motocross. I said mcgrath to tomac is apples to oranges, and you're providing vegetables lol

Not even close.  SX has not changed that much since the 90s, other than the top guys have it easier to qualify now taking 9 with no semi.  

If was apples to oranges then everyone - everyone - would not still be riding the MC playbook.   

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1/24/2024 12:43pm Edited Date/Time 1/24/2024 12:45pm
OwenJakes wrote:
chris clifford and shakybones provided some good information and perspective. That's what I was kind of looking for. the rest of it is just seething boomer...

chris clifford and shakybones provided some good information and perspective. That's what I was kind of looking for. the rest of it is just seething boomer energy.

Gee, it's almost like people don't appreciate a child trying to talk down to adults about a topic we have first-hand experience with.   Btw, I'm...

Gee, it's almost like people don't appreciate a child trying to talk down to adults about a topic we have first-hand experience with.

 

Btw, I'm 30 so your "boomer" insults don't really work here. I'm not a boomer, I'm just informed. You're not. And that's the difference

OwenJakes wrote:

You cry. Hard. 

😂😂 still no rebuttal! You really have nothing left to say, huh?

Maybe cry "boomer" a few more times, I'm sure that works for you on TikTok.

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Gee, it's almost like people don't appreciate a child trying to talk down to adults about a topic we have first-hand experience with.   Btw, I'm...

Gee, it's almost like people don't appreciate a child trying to talk down to adults about a topic we have first-hand experience with.

 

Btw, I'm 30 so your "boomer" insults don't really work here. I'm not a boomer, I'm just informed. You're not. And that's the difference

OwenJakes wrote:

You cry. Hard. 

😂😂 still no rebuttal! You really have nothing left to say, huh? Maybe cry "boomer" a few more times, I'm sure that works for you on...

😂😂 still no rebuttal! You really have nothing left to say, huh?

Maybe cry "boomer" a few more times, I'm sure that works for you on TikTok.

you need some fresh air

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                7- Supercross Titles, Dominating for damn near a decade. Put some respect on the kings name.. nobody else...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

7- Supercross Titles, Dominating for damn near a decade. Put some respect on the kings name.. nobody else is close.

RC - 5 times

RV - 4 times

anyhow, watch all these races and edumakate yourself.

by the way im only 35... and watched mc's domination in person.. you being 39 is no excuse unless you didn't start watching until you were like 20

THIS.

MC is the man. I'm 34 and can really only remember from the Yamaha days going forward (I was born in 89'). Pure dominance. Emig and Lusk always being a tick off the pace, but right there if he made a mistake. I remember the first time DV caught and passed MC and it blew everyone's minds.. someone finally did the impossible. And then RC coming in and taking his licks trying to beat him before figuring out what it takes. He was a living legend those days and his record is still very relevant. The 90s tracks were different but they were much more "modern" than tracks in the 80s when they were still figuring it out. Whoops, big rhythm lanes, triples. I don't see how you could rationalize his record as not being relevant.

OP is either a troll or a kook. Or both Laughing

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OwenJakes wrote:

You cry. Hard. 

😂😂 still no rebuttal! You really have nothing left to say, huh? Maybe cry "boomer" a few more times, I'm sure that works for you on...

😂😂 still no rebuttal! You really have nothing left to say, huh?

Maybe cry "boomer" a few more times, I'm sure that works for you on TikTok.

OwenJakes wrote:

you need some fresh air

More ad hominem insults: the last resort of a man (or child in this instance) with nothing logical left to say.

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1/24/2024 12:56pm

McGrath will always be king, thats why on the back of every dollar it says "In MC We Trust" 

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This is just sad

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I think I will start a thread saying RC's records are irrelevant since he didn't race after the 2010's.

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I think I will start a thread saying RC's records are irrelevant since he didn't race after the 2010's.

Roger d is pissed now.   Lol. His dont count

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Sparxs731 wrote:

I think I will start a thread saying RC's records are irrelevant since he didn't race after the 2010's.

That was my next post actually.

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OwenJakes wrote:

This forum attracts some real gems

Thank you.

It attracts some real turds too dingleberry. 

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OP you're underestimating the size of the industry and level of competition in the 90's. There were only 4 factory teams but they would commonly carry 3 riders each. Then you had some powerhouse factory supported teams like Noleen Yamaha and Honda of Troy that would have 3-4 riders each with many past champions on their rosters. Nobody was working construction during the week and making a 250 main on Saturday.

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1/24/2024 1:07pm
Sparxs731 wrote:

I think I will start a thread saying RC's records are irrelevant since he didn't race after the 2010's.

OwenJakes wrote:

That was my next post actually.

Sorry, called dibs on being the next dumbass to post on vital.

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1/24/2024 1:08pm
Sparxs731 wrote:

I think I will start a thread saying RC's records are irrelevant since he didn't race after the 2010's.

mxb2 wrote:

Roger d is pissed now.   Lol. His dont count

We should just wipe the records every year! Boom, fixed the issue lol

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In the 90's, the best riders in the sport lined up on the gate and raced to see who could finish first.

Same as today.

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Sparxs731 wrote:

I think I will start a thread saying RC's records are irrelevant since he didn't race after the 2010's.

mxb2 wrote:

Roger d is pissed now.   Lol. His dont count

Sparxs731 wrote:

We should just wipe the records every year! Boom, fixed the issue lol

Yea until the OP gets the answer he wants

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1/24/2024 1:14pm

Go watch the races from the MC era. Pay attention to the tracks, pay attention to the margin of error difference between riding a 250 two-stroke and a fuel-injected 450. That triple out of the corner in SD? NOT getting jumped in 1998. 

Yes everyone is on equal equipment, but the skill gap is much smaller because of the equipment. 

There is an element of training and progression to have so many riders on the same second in timed qualifying, but the bikes and tracks have a lot to do with it as well. Tracks are MUCH more forgiving now. You think the track builders would have moved that last 3 footer Jett cased at A1 in 1998? Nope. 

This sport is still gnarly as hell, but it's still dumbed down from the do or die peaked out tracks from MC's era.

OP is old enough to know better, unless he wasn't a fan until recently. But dude, when you are nearly the ONLY voice, in a sea of expert voices, saying something....maybe take a good look around and realize you're not as educated as you think you are. 

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GrapeApe wrote:
OP you're underestimating the size of the industry and level of competition in the 90's. There were only 4 factory teams but they would commonly carry...

OP you're underestimating the size of the industry and level of competition in the 90's. There were only 4 factory teams but they would commonly carry 3 riders each. Then you had some powerhouse factory supported teams like Noleen Yamaha and Honda of Troy that would have 3-4 riders each with many past champions on their rosters. Nobody was working construction during the week and making a 250 main on Saturday.

Do you think it was as difficult to pull a premier title back then as now? This is of course off topic and we dont base records off difficulty but just curious. Obviously I think no, but want to know your take.

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Sparxs731 wrote:

I think I will start a thread saying RC's records are irrelevant since he didn't race after the 2010's.

OwenJakes wrote:

That was my next post actually.

Sparxs731 wrote:

Sorry, called dibs on being the next dumbass to post on vital.

You've used em all up in here sorry

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1/24/2024 1:16pm
mxb2 wrote:

Roger d is pissed now.   Lol. His dont count

Sparxs731 wrote:

We should just wipe the records every year! Boom, fixed the issue lol

mxb2 wrote:

Yea until the OP gets the answer he wants

I don't think OP even knows the answer he wants. He has disagreed with everyone that puts up a good opinion.

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1/24/2024 1:18pm
OwenJakes wrote:

That was my next post actually.

Sparxs731 wrote:

Sorry, called dibs on being the next dumbass to post on vital.

OwenJakes wrote:

You've used em all up in here sorry

Lol nah, you take the crown in here my friend.

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Sparxs731 wrote:

We should just wipe the records every year! Boom, fixed the issue lol

mxb2 wrote:

Yea until the OP gets the answer he wants

Sparxs731 wrote:

I don't think OP even knows the answer he wants. He has disagreed with everyone that puts up a good opinion.

I never asked a question, i asked for some perspectives and counters to my statement. I see the 72 number get toted out every weekend and slobbered on and just think it's kind of out of touch is all. I have changed my mind a bit since reading the 3-5 intelligible replies in here. It's a motocross discussion forum dude. 

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GrapeApe wrote:
OP you're underestimating the size of the industry and level of competition in the 90's. There were only 4 factory teams but they would commonly carry...

OP you're underestimating the size of the industry and level of competition in the 90's. There were only 4 factory teams but they would commonly carry 3 riders each. Then you had some powerhouse factory supported teams like Noleen Yamaha and Honda of Troy that would have 3-4 riders each with many past champions on their rosters. Nobody was working construction during the week and making a 250 main on Saturday.

OwenJakes wrote:
Do you think it was as difficult to pull a premier title back then as now? This is of course off topic and we dont base...

Do you think it was as difficult to pull a premier title back then as now? This is of course off topic and we dont base records off difficulty but just curious. Obviously I think no, but want to know your take.

Yes. Guys like Emig, Lusk, and Windham were phenoms with pedigrees every bit as impressive as Tomac, Dungey, Stew and RV. They just couldn't beat MC in supercross.

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1/24/2024 1:28pm
mxb2 wrote:

Yea until the OP gets the answer he wants

Sparxs731 wrote:

I don't think OP even knows the answer he wants. He has disagreed with everyone that puts up a good opinion.

OwenJakes wrote:
I never asked a question, i asked for some perspectives and counters to my statement. I see the 72 number get toted out every weekend and...

I never asked a question, i asked for some perspectives and counters to my statement. I see the 72 number get toted out every weekend and slobbered on and just think it's kind of out of touch is all. I have changed my mind a bit since reading the 3-5 intelligible replies in here. It's a motocross discussion forum dude. 

It is a discussion. People gave honest answers, and you just came back with insults. So people just started posting more about how dumb this post sounds. You took your shot and missed, by a lot.

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1/24/2024 1:29pm
OwenJakes wrote:
I never asked a question, i asked for some perspectives and counters to my statement. I see the 72 number get toted out every weekend and...

I never asked a question, i asked for some perspectives and counters to my statement. I see the 72 number get toted out every weekend and slobbered on and just think it's kind of out of touch is all. I have changed my mind a bit since reading the 3-5 intelligible replies in here. It's a motocross discussion forum dude. 

Dude, your thread TITLE is a question. Wow. 

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Jeremy's style is still relevant today.  He didn't scrub, but he absolutely brought in staying low to a new level.  The tracks also took a quantum leap forward from his first title in 93' to his last in 2000, even compared to today. 99-2000 had some serious whoop sections plenty of guys couldn't skim all that well.  Watch daytona 2000 if you're bored.  It's a great race, with a track that would be difficult by todays standards.

 

Yes, he's relevant.

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OwenJakes wrote:
chris clifford and shakybones provided some good information and perspective. That's what I was kind of looking for. the rest of it is just seething boomer...

chris clifford and shakybones provided some good information and perspective. That's what I was kind of looking for. the rest of it is just seething boomer energy.

You were doing so well with this username, versus your previous ones (grouper, among others). 

Don't have another meltdown.

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