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Come on JM, cut the guy some slack, I mean, he's just stating his opinion and given his impeccable track record on all Stark predictions in the past months he's quite likely to be...
Oh, hold on, never mind
I don't think anything. The AMA say's NO and the promoter says yes...
Seeing how I have been wrong about everything else you said I was(not) what are the chances?
Track record? A bunch of clueless clowns all agreeing I am wrong? LMFAO!
The Church of the Holy Stark is always right.
Praise our saviour St Anton.
That's bold, even for you.
You are the one making assumptions out of thin air and preaching that "we all know what would have happened to the Stark in SF: it would have overheated in two laps".
On the other hand we are merely saying that we don't know, in fact that no one knows what could have happened. That's quite different from passing your opinions as facts, as you just did.
The only truth here is that it doesn't matter what you or I or anyone thinks, like most questions about the Varg, how it behaves in the mud will get answered quite soon with more and more Vargs competing in AX, SX, MX, enduro etc... with both amateurs and pros.
Let the racing do the talking.
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We won't know... Exactly what I wrote before you all came along to "educate me" with your "proof vids" that have absolutely nothing in common with SF... Kidding with you zealots was too tempting, and I'm never disppaointed by the result.
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Let the racing do the talking... What racing?
Ha yeah, british Arenacross...
From the air too.
The AMA rule book leaves this choice to the promoters. So, I would say that it will happen 🤷🏿♂️
If you're just focusing on pro racing it's currently legal to race in every off road discipline (SX, MX, enduro, dirt track, flat track, supermoto etc...) in Australia and France, as well as various championships like AX UK, Spain hard enduro, Austrian enduro, US sprint Enduro series.
There are likely more championships I am not aware of, and more will be added along the way. That seems plenty enough to see some mud at some point.
Of course there is also amateur racing, you can already find lots of vids of Vargs covered with mud if that's your thing
Absolutely, 100% not accurate.
Thanks for chiming in, you said something like supplemental rules were proposed by race organizers and then had to be agreed by the AMA, is that correct?
If that's more or less right, then my question would be: did USSE ask to include electrics via supplemental rules (as AMA Endurocross did for years), and did the AMA agree to that or not? Or maybe is the AMA processing this right now?
USSE sure makes it sound like it's a done deal and the series starts in 4 days.
Obviously electrics could be made legal to race in the series without mixing them with ICE. In which case the organizers would have gotten a little bit ahead of themselves but Varg owners would still be able to participate in the competition which is the most important point IMHO.
Too soon!
#riptopsy
For being Anton's left nut you sure don't have a clue what his dick is doing. Maybe because it's all willy nilly looking for any hole it can find.
I'm surprised how many Vargs seems be around already, also surprised that the Enduro community has picked up so quickly on it. I have barely been riding mine, due to winter but I guess the Honda will be sold come summer since the little riding I've done the Varg is just fantastic... but I'm a Practice Pro, not a racer.
...but racing, that's a different story but for sure it will happen, the Varg must have gotten an just amazingly better debut than the Beta or Triumph MX bikes, or are people crazy about them also, long pre-orders and thousands and thousands are being shipped or are 4strokes a thing of the past...soon, not yet, but soon.
"People are crazy."
Yeah, you got it damn right.
Well…….
how does that saying go? “Better to let them think you dumb and be quiet, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”
Chill out buddy, I don't know what's happening between USSE and the AMA but I'm pretty sure that the AMA official knows the AMA regulations. It would be cool if we could be a bit more civil to each other (yeah, I am aware of this thing called internet
)
😂 I’m definitely chill. I’m just using those pesky things called facts when someone basically calls me a liar.
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Cool, not sure but his cryptic answer could have been related to the way supplemental rules can be submitted by the organizers and approved by the AMA. People making the rules tend to be picky about said rules
AFAIK there's nothing about this in the regulations publicly available, I was previously assuming, just like you, that organizers were quite free to establish their own supplemental rules but that may not be the case.
I share your frustration seeing organizers willing to open their competition to electrics and not knowing if it would get approved or not by the AMA. For sure USSE were very enthusiastic about this.
I do think we are lucky to have an AMA official that is willing to exchange a little bit with us on this wild thing of a forum, so I'm just hoping we can help him stick around by being a bit more civil that typical on this battleground
It's a shame your civility is only shown because you want something from the man. When I posted his direct quote I was un-helpable...
Sure buddy, it's just that we were having an adult conversation, see, it's when people can argue back and forth without resorting to insults.
Can you tell the difference? You should try it some time.
At first I did honestly try to engage with you but now of course I am mocking you and your inability to carry a respectful conversation. You have been rude, offensive and obnoxious to so many people in so many threads that it's quite funny you think you can give anyone civility lessons.
I hope that clears up this unfortunate misunderstanding, now I will go back to ignoring you (except maybe some occasional ironic comment, can't help myself sometimes).
Well, I’ve been an AMA Referee for quite a few years, more than I can remember lol. I’ve helped run and organize race events. The AMA is going to leave it up to the promoter at amateur and local races. I would think the only time they would step in is at a “ Featured event” or Amateur National. And honestly, I can get on board with that. I believe it’s a compromise that addresses “most” of the issues.
I WON’T GET OFF MY SOAPBOX ABOUT ALLOWING THEM IN VET CLASSES AT LORETTA’S. 😂😂😂
I don’t think I have even been rude to anybody that did not personally attack me first. Of course you would naturally try and turn that around. If you ever got out of a Stark thread you would see I have lots of civil adult conversations. Now you can go back to posting more lies…
I just looked at a thread, 48 pages of Stark glory. Amazingly the Beagle's personal attacks on the members here magically diapered. Unfortunately so did my rebuttals where you claim I have been rude to you. You sure are a slick willy that thinks he is above us. The way you're playing us you must think we are as dumb as a sack of beans.
Think about it. You want something so bad you where willing to go back and delete all those posts of your true feelings. Pathetic!
So I take my time to set the record straight and give people accurate information and I get:
Well……. how does that saying go? “Better to let them think you dumb and be quiet, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.”
I'm not here to be right or wrong, just to provide accurate information to our members on how things work. Read the following paragraph from page 1 of the 2024 AMA rulebook:
Recognized and non-recognized districts, and organizations within a district, must submit any temporary or locally appropriate supplemental regulations for approval by the AMA Racing Department. Supplemental regulations may not be in conflict with national rules.
Yes, its true, promoters are allowed to submit event or series specific supplemental rules to the AMA. That does not mean they can just do whatever they want to. For example, we have a rule that a rider has to be 14 to race a 250 or larger in MX. If a promoter wanted to lower that age to 10 in his supplementals, we would not approve them. It is the same with E-bikes in ICE bike classes right now. If a promoter submits a request to allow that it will be denied.
Again, I'm not here to argumentative, I just want people to know what the rules are going to be in the short term while we figure out what to do in the long term.
Oh good, so I guess you understand why I can't help being ironic at your (and a few others) posts, that always end up with the same conclusion, whatever anyone says: Stark is the future, Stark is the saviour, Stark is great, all hail Stark!
First let me acknowledge that to my great surprise, it appears that USSE posted on their website that Vargs could race against ICE in their series without getting the AMA approval for it, so congratulations, you got that right.
Now for the rest... wait... is this for real?
So you're saying my imaginary posts rude to you (and your friends?) have magically disappeared, as well as your well thought out answers?
That's a tough one... you are so far removed from reality that there is nothing I could write to convince you. I don't know, I can still see dozens of your obnoxious posts from the past couple of weeks, maybe ask Maverick if he has granted me super powers on the forum? Or maybe...could he... oh no, don't tell me he's in on this, who knows where this ends?
So, that is for a changes or amendments to rules. Or for things not covered. The E-bikes are covered and are left up to the promoter for now. I believe we will get more detailed rules in the next few years.
Apparently you don't understand how the BBS works here. When you deleted your violating posts my quote and response gets deleted by you as well.
Obnoxious? I would not deny that depending on who's ear it falls into.. Making personal attacks that where not provoked previously not so much.
On an unrelated topic, I'm always amazed how Chase Sexton reminds me of Steve Carell in The Office.
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