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Get out of California!
For what it's worth, I haven't put a sticker on any of my off-road bikes since 1985, green or red. I don't do the kind of things that get people stopped, so it's a non-issue for me.
I understand they check for stickers in places like Gorman or Glamis, but I never ride in those spots.
Like he said no more reciprocity between states. You can blame Washington state dealers for this one. But in 18 19 they got the law changed. So no more oregon Washington. Why?
Simple they got tired of people going to oregon and buying bikes tax free. So if you buy a bike in oregon regardless if it's for private use or not. Oregon dealers are required to report the sale to the state. And you must pay the sales tax on it and register it. Unless you can register it to an oregon address. The dol will send you a letter if you don't.
So if you get caught in WA orv spots with just oregon orv tags and your not living in OR. You could get a ticket. They actually want oregon residents to buy wa orv tags now.
Glamis is federal land (BLM). I've never been asked for registration there.
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And Washington makes it a huge pain the in the ass for non-residents from what I've gathered. No way to do it online, you gotta go to the DMV.
I have no problem buying the out of state tag if that's what they want, but let me do it online....I don't have time to go to the DMV, so until they make it easier they won't get my money.
Well, that's good news. I've heard all kinds of horror stories about day use permits, rangers stopping you to check for reg, and even bikes being impounded. I don't pay too much attention, because like I said, I don't ride there. ;-)
Yes, registration is required at Glamis (Imperial Sand Dunes). But that doesn't necessarily mean you will ever see a ranger who will check to verify.
"Off highway vehicles owned by California residents must be registered with the California Department of Motor Vehicles and display a valid Green Sticker or Red Sticker Vehicle Identification Tag (VC 38020,38010) in a clearly visible location on the vehicle "
https://www.blm.gov/visit/imperial-sand-dunes/rules-and-regulations
I've been riding BLM land in California for 40 years. I can only remember one time a ranger ever checked for my registration. That was in Jawbone Canyon.
Well that sucks. My thinking was, since glamis is federal land the California "competition only" BS wouldn't apply. But I stand corrected.
You are grossly overestimating the amount of people who actually care about this issue.
Gavin? Is that you? 😂
No. But considering the Red team lost to Newsome by over 2 million votes, there simply are not enough OHV bros to vote to make a difference. But good luck Potsie
It is you, you sly dog.
Periodically in out in Ocotillo they did have rangers on a main thorough way kinda like drunk checks but sticker checks. That was years ago the last time I saw it though.
Yes actually. I have used Dirt Legal twice when I did supermoto conversions on a CRF450R and a YZ450. Same game applies since they are now street legal. The whole reason why it works is because although it's out of state plated it's registered to your actual CA/home address. So when they check your paperwork it's all legit for CA, and matching drivers license. So this is the route I'm going to go but it's not for street use purposes this time, just all dirt but to use the system to be allowed to ride wherever I want since I will no longer need any red or green stickers. Also, major part of this too is being polite and respectful vs shoving it in their face and that you travel a lot, bike isn't here most of the year. Kind of an interesting thing though I just bought a 2023 Husky FC450 and still got a red sticker. I'm not supposed to get one but somehow it still came through. My dealer told me it's a lottery right now with some that still manage to get one, others need inspection, others get none. So what I might do is just wait to see if mine ends up green after this year when they dissolve red entirely, and if it's just taken away indefinitely I'm going plated. Such BS we even have to deal with this honestly, totally effing ridiculous how California has become.
I mean I did say grow a pair.
I've always found it confusing, your Registrations and such.
Rego for us here in OZ, is what I think you'd mostly call "Plated".
Some states have Day Time reg, and other forms of ORV set ups, and, Competion Rego ( that is event specific, say the 4 Days etc), but I've only ever dealt with Rego / 'Plating'.
I wonder what they do with the Finke Desert race, and others that are not wholly within private property ? - oh, it's the NT, and the middle of OZ, and there's whole lot of space out there - I guess it might just be "anything goes", or, They basically 'DGAF'.
For a bike to have significant sales in OZ, Rego / our ADR compliance is what is needed.
I have kept my ancient old Teddy Bear of a bike Rego'd for now over 20 years. To keep the cops off my back, it Always has working lights, blinkers, a Beep Beep, and a fold down mirror. Probably being a bad man in that I generally have the one Double Take fold down mirror on it, but I've not had a problem when stopped, which sometimes happens. Mostly the Cops just want to have a squizz at the old bike. My muffler is around 26" long, made by myself, and quiet. It also, by chance, has the same ID numbers stamped on it that the ADR decal has..... But, It's quiet.
So, Monday I'll go off into my local trails, all bagged up to collect all the crap left behind by the MTBers and Hikers ( it will be a fair few sack fulls) . You know, THE people that look at you as if you'd killed their family, when they encounter you. I do love showing them a couple of full sacks full of rubbish, that I tell them their mob have left behind in the environment they so adore ...... f**king hypocrites.
Then, mid week, barring rain, I'll put on my most Tar oriented 21 and 18" tyres ( thank you ADV bike tyre options!), and ride the old Beastie into Sydney. There's few things More satisfying, if not hilarious, than riding a 500cc 2 stroke into, through, and around OZ's biggest city, and the posh ( or far less than so) Harbourside areas. Riding across the Harbour Bridge is a hoot. I've never been in the Harbour Tunnel, on / in any vehicle - it's the Bridge and it's views for me, every time!
I do get some funny looks, what with the cranky cackle that a big 2t can make, at idle or under buggerall load, but I mostly get smiles, or just confused looks from the general public. I do it a couple of times a year. There are also some Great jump opportunities in some of the High End Harbour suburbs, what with their split level, winding roads....
Rego's up early February, I'll get another year then. What does 'rankle' with me, is the cost of Rego and CTP ( compulsory third party, but it does also cover you, the rider / driver when it comes to injury ) insurance is more than my Great Big Van, or my Run About Rust Bucket.
https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/sites/default/files/2020-01/Red%20Sticker%20Guidance%20Document%20for%20Riders.pdf
https://ohv.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=26294
Guess that still leaves those of us who bought 22+ bikes SOL with no title or reg. So dumb...
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So all the 22 and newer moto bikes are not going to be paying for a sticker. How much is California loosing in fees??? What Democrat is gonna figure out they are loosing money not collecting OHV fees???
Oh, don't worry; the owners will be paying! They just won't get anything for it.
I just registered my son's 2021 YZ125 and the local DMV had no idea what to do with it. They put the bike on a suspense registration and forwarded all the docs to Sacramento. I don't even care; we're going to ride it anyway.
A 2021 bike should still get a sticker. And starting next year, a green sticker. According to the article
If I were living in Cali-fornifica, I'd go speak to a lawyer. The law written states the EPA has no jurisdiction over race model only vehicles. I would think a good lawyer may be able to show that state laws don't trump US laws. So the California laws I'd think also couldn't regulate race only vehicles. With the Chevron Deference ruling, plus the rulings that states tried to make sanctuary gun laws getting squashed, should help. I'd think that especially for racing even on public land, you'd be able to win that battle. I'd fight for no sticker at all on a race only vehicle, because no regulation should mean no registration. Jmho.
https://nepis.epa.gov/Exe/ZyNET.exe/P1002K3G.TXT?ZyActionD=ZyDocument&C…
When someone makes a bike that’s capable of full race performance but passes the testing for emissions compliance, they’ll sell a ton of them. KTM is pretty close with a few models, a vortex and a pipe and they make full power, but those are the street legal versions. It they did that to the XCF line, they’d be pretty popular in CA. Maybe sell a “closed course” kit for racing?
I would buy bike that ran as clean as the emission standard requires, as long as it’s not an overweight dog of a bike. My brother has a plated 501 Husky that makes 38hp, my KTM with a 500EXC engine (mechanically identical) makes about 60hp and responds so much better it’s ridiculous. If an OEM could get a legal bike to make 50-55hp and respond properly, I’d be happy to ride a compliant bike.
California has no clue what's going on they're still sending me a red sticker for my 22 but nothing for my sons 22! According to them anything 21 and older is going to grandfather into the green sticker program!
I had given up all hope for a sticker for my '23 but then DMV decided to send me a red sticker!
Who knows what's going on?!
Sounds like a job for the AMA…
Wait never mind
Thanks I need a good laugh LOL!
"Should."
The people at the DMV don't know what to do. Their own vehicle inspection document (I saw it) indicates that this bike is "competition only" and not eligible for any sticker. CARB, an unelected entity which technically has no legal standing, changes their rules all the time and DMV doesn't know what the rules are.
I have very little hope that I'll ever see a registration for the bike, but happily enough I have even little care. My son and I are going to ride responsibly all over the tracks and desert, and we will probably never have an issue. If I ever need to go to court, I'll show them the receipt printout for my $52 and their own CARB regulations. You can only go so far out of your way to help this stupid state along.
Why wouldn't CARB have legal standing? It was created by the California legislature to create regulations for improving air quality.
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