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I would be surprised if using a VPN would work. I happen to know that DraftKings blocks using them.
I imagine fantasy operators are under legal obligation to police any geolocation shenanigans by their user base? Also, as some others have mentioned, it would a real legal dilemma trying to collect on prizes.
FWIW I tried (not very hard) from Canada with a VPN to California. With location services turned off it wouldn’t let me do anything, with location services turned on it says participation is unavailable due to my location.
I’m in Massachusetts, tried VPNs from acceptable states without any luck. I’m assuming geolocation is coming from GPS and not from IP address which a VPN would change.
In that case a geolocation location spoofing software is what’s needed. From what I’ve read, they were commonly used by Pokémon Go players.
Can anyone confirm that VPN alone will or will not work? Anyone actually use geo spoofing apps?
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I don’t care about prizes I just want an excuse to yell at Steve and Marx in the dashboard chat
Most sites that do geofencing block known VPNs but there are ways around it. You can use an obfuscated VPN which most services offer. You can also make your own VPN on a virtual private server based in a data center in an allowed state.
However, as someone mentioned before, you still have to sign up and pay and if your address is in a non permitted state you won’t be able to sign up.
Seems like way too much to play illegally. I’ve played since day one and it sucks I can’t play with all my buddies and talk shit on a sat morning. At least my wife dosent have to hear me yell and bitch at the tv or her telling me “ see I told you to pick him”!
I'm another one that doesn't care at all about the prizes and would gladly still pay.
This is the most hilarious and ironic thing about this whole debacle
For Michigan I believe its $10,000 first time license 5,000 per year after.
Without knowing the true paid player count I cant imagine its "worth it" to just break even after dealing with the gov, server geolocating BS, ect ect,
The only way I can see this working is for the crew to "Sell" PulpMX Fantasy to a larger company that already pays the fees in all states, and have a contract with said larger company to provide promotion, maintenance, and day to day operations for the game. Vegas Sports Inc is just one company that is registered in Michigan and I would imagine all states.
Links:
https://www.michigan.gov/mgcb/-/media/Project/Websites/mgcb/Internet-Ga…
https://www.michigan.gov/mgcb/-/media/Project/Websites/mgcb/Internet-Ga…
They don't care about your address. It will all be based on location services at the time you pick your Team.
Not a terrible idea honestly. I wonder how much money they would need to accrue for a bigger company to come in and want to do business with them? 🤔 Some of those fees are no joke though, it would have to be a pretty big company who understands the business model to take that chance and work with Pulp. I would gladly pay more if that was the deciding factor.
Has anyone been able to sign up yet in states it's a go? I'm in OK and I keep getting a no pricing options available at this time message.
We can all speculate. But as a web app developer, I would say half of their cost is easily hosting and staff to manage the platform and prize operations. Sure the banner ads and mentions in broadcast help too.
You got one of the keys of the whole situation, once the government figures out that someone is making money, and they can get a cut you can bet they will be along shortly.
Meanwhile people are mad at Pulp and not the government. Baaaaa baaaaa baaaa
4:28 seconds into the Pulp Renthal Reaction Podcast.....one of the first hurdles Steve mentions is Indian Casinos....the things that make you go hmmmmmm
It's a shame because it's not like the casinos (Indian or otherwise) even offer a competing alternative product to Pulpfantasy. I guess it really does come down to state governments pouncing on an opportunity to charge licensing fees?
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I wonder if they can just make it an option to play and not receive any prizes in the states that are not working?
The way they described it on the renthal reaction podcast was they either have to be a pay to play or it has to be free. It cannot be both.
Right, pay to play but no prizes. Aren’t the prizes the issue?
That is not what I took from the podcast. I took even if it is free, once prizes are given out, it is considered gambling. I could be wrong though?
I believe if it’s free to enter but prizes are awarded it’s considered a sweepstakes..? Im assuming that’s how RMFantasy operates.
I don’t believe the prizes are the issue. It’s not mentioned on pulp fantasy’s insta post. If prizes were the issue, would RMATV still be allowed to host a fantasy game? 🤔
Yeah I understand that. I was just thinking if they did the opposite of RM and charged but gave you the option to not take prizes that maybe that would be a loophole they could explore.
Just did a quick re-listen to Marx explaining it.
He says verbatim: “You can’t mix paid and free players and as soon as you have someone paying money into a contest to win something of monetary value in return, that contest becomes a paid contest. It doesn’t matter if someone is involved in it that did not pay.”
Bit confusing but if it was free to play with prizes, it’s a sweepstakes not a contest.
The fees for Colorado say it's free if under 7500 people are playing. $7500 for more than 7500 players.
I wonder why Colorado doesn't get to play, I seriously doubt there are more than 7500 players in the state.
Edit: could be they didn't get the licensing done in time...
Curious how many people were playing worldwide now? It must have been pretty high for uncle sam to come knocking on the door. Colorado has a pretty big moto scene but 7500 does seem like a lot.
It looks like a little over 10,000 in 2023.
2022 had a little over 6,000. Impressive growth
I’d assume it’s based on total players in the game. Not specific to total users in Colorado.
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