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Apparently the Rup's NOT a fuddy duddy. Occam's razor
Nonsense.
They aren't the same thing. They're not in the same category. They have one thing in common and that's it. By your logic you'd also have to be against voting and joining the military. No more pull up booth! Those things are for adults only and if you're against one thing that's for adults only you have to be against all things that are for adults only.
There's nothing logically inconsistent about being opposed to porn and having any opinion you want about a totally unrelated topic.
What, from a thread on a niche online forum?
If something bothers you stay away from it.
If your kids ask about it, teach them why it bothers you and maybe they will feel the same way as you. It’s called “parenting”. Take it as an opportunity to open the discussion up. I don’t remember hearing about any young drunks needing rehab that came out after MC was sponsored by Bud Light.
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All other points here aside, there is a lot to this regardless where you fall in this. It absolutely is a parent's duty to protect a child, but it is a fool's errand to think you can do that by sheltering them "enough." Doing what you can to instill character and preparing your child for a very real adult world is the best protection.
You said it better than me.
Parenting also involves not exposing your kids to things you don't want them exposed to and having those conversations when you think it's appropriate, not when you're forced to. Keep giving moms a reason to say nah we're not bringing the kids to that at your own peril. Death by a thousand cuts is still death.
Mav, you honestly can’t distinguish the difference between porn and alcohol? I know you don’t have children but damn.
They aren’t being exposed to anything. It’s a website name, not content being shared. It’s the same thing as being exposed to the name of an alcoholic drink.
Even if your minor went to the website behind your back, they would need access to your CC and to create an account to see anything inappropriate. Just like they would need to steal a beer / drink from you to actually try one.
Block the site on home computer and from phone and tablet. if they have access to the net away from you, they can see a lot worse with a lot less effort with a simple google search.
It’s the exact same rule as last year isn’t it ?
It's not that I'm against the Only Fans sponsorship, I'm not. But I get real tired of hearing it's a parent's responsibility for everything under the sun. People say that like every kid that's ever tried drugs has had incompetent parents. And while parents do teach their kids, some things make it easier to parent. IE: you get your kid involved in a sport/lifestyle that will not expose your kids to the things you think are immoral. And then all of a sudden it's thrown in your face. The world is not black and white. I don't know enough about OnlyFans other than what I hear. I always thought people producing porn are behind a paywall that you actually have to pay. I'm thinking I may be wrong. My wife and I raised 2 kids that we are very proud of. I can tell you that you can't hide them from everything, they conspire with other kids in school to find things you never knew. So you try to teach them morals that they make good decisions. That's the best you can do.
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"Parenting also involves not exposing your kids to things you don't want them exposed to"
That's literally your job as a parent, not Karnow's job as a dirt bike racer. If you want to NERF your world so your kids are never exposed to anything you deem negative, by all means, but if you expect the rest of the world to change based on what offends you, you're in for a long road ahead.
Just ran across this on another MX type site:
https://racerxonline.com/2023/12/27/ama-releases-supercross-team-sponso…
Kids already know a lot more than we’re giving them credit for. How old were you the first time you saw a Playboy or, Hustler magazine? First time you stole a cigarette? First sip of beer?
Between TV, friends and, their peers at school, they’re exposed to a lot of things we as parents have no idea about. Who remembers those stupid fucking sex bracelets that were going around elementary schools in the early 2000’s? Boy was that an eye opener. All we can do is our best as parents and, teach our kids right from wrong. Sometimes, being overprotective does more harm than good in the long run.
Didn't we go through all this with (if I remember) Skin?
I guess one of the conversations this would provoke with my kid if the kid recognized the issue would be "This is not a score rich sport for 99% of the guys, who will take money from just about anywhere to keep their impossible dreams alive. Someday probably you will have to ask yourself who you are willing to take money from in some context where you want something. Let's talk about some things you might want to think about."
I directed summer camps for a couple years. Most kids by the time they are five have adults pretty well figured out even if they don't recognize it or can't articulate it.
I know the difference, but again, pornography is not what is being advertised. Karnow will not have nude/topless models in his pit signing autographs, or TVs in the background broadcasting pornography.
The sport has already implemented rules and guidelines to prevent pornography/adult content creators from being advertised. Beyond that, it's not their job to parent kids.
This whole thing is a non-issue.
No it's not literally your job. Your job is to teach them what to do with the new knowledge they are exposed to. And there are ages where it's much easier to explain to them what they are being exposed to. You can't shield them from everything you don't like but you can expose them to things you do like. And we generally tend to think of this environment as "family friendly" not really sure why but we do. Have you ever been to the desert on a weekend? The things you see will question "family friendly". Our local MC store would sell SX tickets. I don't know how many times I asked for an "alcohol free area" That came after many times of people in my area getting so drunk they puked all over themselves. Is this something I needed around my 8 year old kid? No, is it part of the real world? Yes. But I still was not interested in my kids being exposed to that at that age. And I'm sure there are other parents that feel the same as me as there are parents that have the total opposite opinion.
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Onlyfans is being advertised and a google search shows OF is 98% adult content. Based on this, I truly don’t understand how anyone can say they’re not advertising porn. Brokering pornography is their entire business.
You can't shield your kids from everything, but not taking them to a supercross is really easy. Even if you're fine with porn, that's the aspect of this that many of you seem to be missing from a health of the sport standpoint. Telling one privateer to find a different sponsor for the sake of removing barriers for attendance to your event is not a difficult decision to make.
Arguing that only fans isn't porn is just laughable and not worth debating.
Also clear that many of you didn't have parents who told you that just because everyone else is doing something that that doesn't make it right.
Homepage with no menu to navigate elsewhere. No indication that it's mostly adult content.
Scroll down and this is as much "porn" as you'll see.
The horror.
Truth is, if you have children, and you gave them access to a cell phone, you got bigger problems than worrying about OnlyFans being someone's sponsor.
So what are they advertising?
A social media network.
Edit: If OnlyFans is promoting pornography, how is their logo allowed to be displayed when adult content is not permitted?
How badass would a PornHub sponsored KTM look? That would immediately become my favorite rider no questions asked except for, where can I buy merch?
Twisted tea advertises to get people to spend money on their alcohol. Onlyfans advertises to get people to spend money on the pornography they broker.
To say otherwise is either naive or disingenuous.
Just because you can't see tits from the parking lot of the strip club and you need an ID to get in doesn't mean it isn't a strip club.
To your edit: I have no idea. OF is 98% pornography, which makes this a very strange ruling. It’s like banning Marlboro but allowing Joe’s Smoke Shop. I don’t see the difference.
I think the AMA is trying to avoid the backlash of just banning the guy's active sponsor but is walking as close to that line as they can without doing so. Basically sending the message that if this gets flaunted at all it will be game over and going forward may be banned entirely. Also sends the message to the sponsor that your money may be better spent somewhere else. They've left themselves plenty of room within the rules they've written to end this at their discretion.
What the hell is wrong with everyone? Just tell your kids they sell fans. You lie to them about Santa Claus don't you?
It literally is your job as a parent, and you did it right:
"I don't know how many times I asked for an "alcohol free area" That came after many times of people in my area getting so drunk they puked all over themselves. Is this something I needed around my 8 year old kid?"
You made the parental decision to not expose your kid(s) to the drunk morans by getting seats in the alcohol free zone. What you didn't do was try to get alcohol sales banned. Same thing for Karnow; if you object to OnlyFans as his sponsor (which I'm fine with), then don't take your kids to his tent in the pits. What you shouldn't do, is try to get his sponsor banned because you object to the content on the website - which Mav showed is behind a paywall and not something you can "accidentally" access.
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