Some bad Dudes will not make the mains in 450 this year

12/26/2023 7:24am
Nighttrain wrote:
That list is old racer heavy.  Strong resumes’ of riders at the end of their careers turning laps to cash checks.  There are 4 fast riders...

That list is old racer heavy.  Strong resumes’ of riders at the end of their careers turning laps to cash checks.  There are 4 fast riders, same as always. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:
Eli Tomac, Chase Sexton, Cooper Webb, Ken Roczen, and Justin Barcia all won main events this year.  Four of those guys are some of the oldest...

Eli Tomac, Chase Sexton, Cooper Webb, Ken Roczen, and Justin Barcia all won main events this year. 

Four of those guys are some of the oldest in the class. 

Sexton 24

Webb 28

Tomac 31

Plessinger 27 turns 28 January 25.

Cianciarulo 27

Ferrandis 29

Wilson 31

Jett 20

Bogle 30 turns 31 March 23.

Anderson 30 turns 31 February 17.

Stewart 31

Craig 32

Cooper 26 

Nichols 29 turns 30 March 22.

Hill 28 turns 29 May 7.

Barcia 31 turns 32 March 25.

Roczen 29 turns 30 April 29.

Hunter 24

The 450 class isn't exactly stacked with young talent. 

Villopoto retired at 26, Dungey at 27. Over half of the factory team rosters are older than that now. People are sticking around longer than they did over the previous decades. 

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Villopoto retired at 26, Dungey at 27. Over half of the factory team rosters are older than that now. People are sticking around longer than they...

Villopoto retired at 26, Dungey at 27. Over half of the factory team rosters are older than that now. People are sticking around longer than they did over the previous decades. 

I don't think it's a bad thing. IMO, if most of the guys I listed were retired, both classes would be looking bleak. 

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12/26/2023 8:24am
Spoonguy wrote:
1985 was the deepest field of potential winners and champs. Ward, Glover, Lechien, Rick Johnson, Johny Omara, Mark Barnett, David Bailey, Keith Bowen, Bob Hannah, Scott...

1985 was the deepest field of potential winners and champs. Ward, Glover, Lechien, Rick Johnson, Johny Omara, Mark Barnett, David Bailey, Keith Bowen, Bob Hannah, Scott Burnworth, Goat Breker. Eight different winners in an eleven race series, the championship could have gone a lot of different ways going into the final race. Nobody won more than two races that year, you literally never knew who would win. Last year was 17(?) races with 5 winners, and realistically you could pick between three riders every race who could win? Logically it really doesn't look like there could be more than five winners this year either, maybe as few as three. Sexton Anderson Ferrandis and Webb may have trouble with new bikes, Tomac coming back from injury, and a lot of those riders on this year's current list are never going to be close to winning. All are great riders, maybe former champs, but competing for wins or podiums this year....I don't know.

Glover was robbed for that title. I think ward rode backwards on the track at one race. 

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crusty_xx wrote:
A deep field isn't only about winning races. This thread is about making mains. Multiple guys like Cartwright and Harlan made all but 3-4 mains last...

A deep field isn't only about winning races. This thread is about making mains.

Multiple guys like Cartwright and Harlan made all but 3-4 mains last year. There's not enough spots on the main gate for them this year. LCQs might be some of the best racing in 450 this season 

pilotmech wrote:

Interesting......I usually skip LCQ's in the highlights recap. 

Sorry you have to miss some of the best racing because the elite riders aren’t in the moto…

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12/26/2023 9:07am
Spoonguy wrote:
1985 was the deepest field of potential winners and champs. Ward, Glover, Lechien, Rick Johnson, Johny Omara, Mark Barnett, David Bailey, Keith Bowen, Bob Hannah, Scott...

1985 was the deepest field of potential winners and champs. Ward, Glover, Lechien, Rick Johnson, Johny Omara, Mark Barnett, David Bailey, Keith Bowen, Bob Hannah, Scott Burnworth, Goat Breker. Eight different winners in an eleven race series, the championship could have gone a lot of different ways going into the final race. Nobody won more than two races that year, you literally never knew who would win. Last year was 17(?) races with 5 winners, and realistically you could pick between three riders every race who could win? Logically it really doesn't look like there could be more than five winners this year either, maybe as few as three. Sexton Anderson Ferrandis and Webb may have trouble with new bikes, Tomac coming back from injury, and a lot of those riders on this year's current list are never going to be close to winning. All are great riders, maybe former champs, but competing for wins or podiums this year....I don't know.

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There were five winners this year (Tomac, Sexton, Webb, Roczen, and Barcia). Plessinger had a win up until he made a silly mistake.  Anderson can win...

There were five winners this year (Tomac, Sexton, Webb, Roczen, and Barcia).

Plessinger had a win up until he made a silly mistake. 

Anderson can win races. 

Add Jett and you're now up to eight riders that could potentially win a main event in 2024. 

Cianciarulo, Stewart, and Ferrandis are potential main event winners. 

You're now up to eleven riders that can/could win a main event. 

There are twenty-two gates and you can make a legitimate case that half the field could win a main event. It doesn't mean it's going to happen, and statistics proves that, but the field is deep. 

I see your point, but you are being generous. Five of your eleven potential have yet to win a main, and Jett will not add to the total number of winners - he will just take a former winners place. Three winners this year, maybe five in seventeen rounds. 1985 has eight winners in eleven rounds, for 2024 to equal that competitiveness there would have to be eleven different winners in the seventeen rounds.

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12/26/2023 9:10am
Sully wrote:

Barcia’s the oldest dude on that list, followed by Eli. You really think those 2 are ‘turning laps to cash checks?’ Pretty goofy take. 

Nighttrain wrote:
Jett, Webb, Tomac, and Sexton. Who else is going to win a Main? Ferrandis is probably my favorite rider of the last 20 years so I...

Jett, Webb, Tomac, and Sexton. Who else is going to win a Main? Ferrandis is probably my favorite rider of the last 20 years so I hope I’m wrong about him. It’s the same every year if you’ve been watching the sport for a while. “Deepest field ever…” until gates start dropping.

crusty_xx wrote:
A deep field isn't only about winning races. This thread is about making mains. Multiple guys like Cartwright and Harlan made all but 3-4 mains last...

A deep field isn't only about winning races. This thread is about making mains.

Multiple guys like Cartwright and Harlan made all but 3-4 mains last year. There's not enough spots on the main gate for them this year. LCQs might be some of the best racing in 450 this season 

They may not make the mains the first few rounds, but chances are good they will still make a lot of mains once riders start getting injured. Surely everyone knows this, it happens most seasons.

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It’s been good to not see a bunch of headlines of riders dropping like flies before a1. If we can get everyone to stay healthy for the next two weeks a1 is going to be incredible. 

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12/26/2023 10:15am
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Roczen is still only 29, he feels like he’s been around forever! 

Well he was like 16-17 when he came over here 

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12/26/2023 10:36am Edited Date/Time 12/26/2023 10:37am
-MAVERICK- wrote:

I don't think it's a bad thing. IMO, if most of the guys I listed were retired, both classes would be looking bleak. 

I think a lot of the older guys just like to ride and race. In all of his interviews, Tomac sounded like he just wanted to get back out there and mix it up, and was pumped to still have an opportunity to race with Jett and the others.

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12/26/2023 10:55am
-MAVERICK- wrote:

I saw that, but I'm not sure if that series conflicts with the AMA SX series. 

Yes, it will.

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Bogle will clean up over here racing arenacross. 

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HRC Honda 

H Lawrence 

J Lawrence 

Monster Kawasaki 

J Anderson

A Cianciarulo 

TLD Red Bull Gas Gas

J Barcia 

J Prado 

Rockstar Husqvarna 

C Craig

M Stewart

Red Bull KTM 

C Sexton

A Plessinger 

Monster Energy Star Racing Yamaha

E Tomac

C Webb

J Cooper 

HEP Progressive/Twisted Tea Suzuki

K Roczen

K Chisholm 

S McElrath

Bar X Suzuki

D Drake 

Phoenix FC Honda 

D Ferrandis

Fire Power Honda 

D Wilson 

Liqui-Moly Beta 

B Bloss

C Nichols

MCR Honda 

V Friese 

Team Tedder 

J Hill

Partzilla Kawasaki 

C Clason 

HBI Racing 

T Masterpool 

Rock River Yamaha 

G Harlan 

D Simonson 

Madd Parts Kawasaki 

F Noren 

J Cartwright 

Privateers 

K Moranz

J Starling 

R Pape

L Karnow

New Teams/Programs 

J Robin

J Rodbell

T Lane 

H Schlosser 

C Copp

S Meshey 

Well, that’s most of’em…So, pick the 22 that you think will make the main. 

Here, I’ll take a stab at it in no particular order…and simply pulling them from the list above as teams: 

Anderson

Cianciarulo 

Lawrence 

Lawrence 

Tomac 

Webb

Cooper 

Sexton

Plessinger 

Craig

Stewart

Roczen 

McElrath 

Chisholm

J Hill

D Ferrandis

D Wilson 

J Barcia 

J Prado

B Bloss

C Nichols 

V Friese 

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12/26/2023 12:33pm
crusty_xx wrote:
A deep field isn't only about winning races. This thread is about making mains. Multiple guys like Cartwright and Harlan made all but 3-4 mains last...

A deep field isn't only about winning races. This thread is about making mains.

Multiple guys like Cartwright and Harlan made all but 3-4 mains last year. There's not enough spots on the main gate for them this year. LCQs might be some of the best racing in 450 this season 

pilotmech wrote:

Interesting......I usually skip LCQ's in the highlights recap. 

Oh look, another 'new' guy coming in hot with all the worst takes.

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HRC Honda  H Lawrence  J Lawrence  Monster Kawasaki  J Anderson A Cianciarulo  TLD Red Bull Gas Gas J Barcia  J Prado  Rockstar Husqvarna  C Craig M...

HRC Honda 

H Lawrence 

J Lawrence 

Monster Kawasaki 

J Anderson

A Cianciarulo 

TLD Red Bull Gas Gas

J Barcia 

J Prado 

Rockstar Husqvarna 

C Craig

M Stewart

Red Bull KTM 

C Sexton

A Plessinger 

Monster Energy Star Racing Yamaha

E Tomac

C Webb

J Cooper 

HEP Progressive/Twisted Tea Suzuki

K Roczen

K Chisholm 

S McElrath

Bar X Suzuki

D Drake 

Phoenix FC Honda 

D Ferrandis

Fire Power Honda 

D Wilson 

Liqui-Moly Beta 

B Bloss

C Nichols

MCR Honda 

V Friese 

Team Tedder 

J Hill

Partzilla Kawasaki 

C Clason 

HBI Racing 

T Masterpool 

Rock River Yamaha 

G Harlan 

D Simonson 

Madd Parts Kawasaki 

F Noren 

J Cartwright 

Privateers 

K Moranz

J Starling 

R Pape

L Karnow

New Teams/Programs 

J Robin

J Rodbell

T Lane 

H Schlosser 

C Copp

S Meshey 

Well, that’s most of’em…So, pick the 22 that you think will make the main. 

Here, I’ll take a stab at it in no particular order…and simply pulling them from the list above as teams: 

Anderson

Cianciarulo 

Lawrence 

Lawrence 

Tomac 

Webb

Cooper 

Sexton

Plessinger 

Craig

Stewart

Roczen 

McElrath 

Chisholm

J Hill

D Ferrandis

D Wilson 

J Barcia 

J Prado

B Bloss

C Nichols 

V Friese 

You missed Aaron Tanti who rides for the Partzilla PRMX Kawasaki Team. 

Again, the field is stacked.

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Sully wrote:

So everyone but those 4 dudes is only out there to cash checks? You’re not making your goofy take any better you know. 

Nighttrain wrote:
They’re all out there to cash checks so my take isn’t really valid and is goofy.  I believe the field isn’t that deep in speed for...

They’re all out there to cash checks so my take isn’t really valid and is goofy.  I believe the field isn’t that deep in speed for 2024.  There are a lot of experienced riders with strong resumes’ who are at the end of their careers and no longer as fast as they used to be on a Supercross track. Tomac and Webb are exceptions. I stand by the rest.

I think Webb is pretty much done in terms of winning races.  He can't match the speed of the new breed, is on a new bike, and is probably still relatively out of shape. 

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Nighttrain wrote:
That list is old racer heavy.  Strong resumes’ of riders at the end of their careers turning laps to cash checks.  There are 4 fast riders...

That list is old racer heavy.  Strong resumes’ of riders at the end of their careers turning laps to cash checks.  There are 4 fast riders, same as always. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:
Eli Tomac, Chase Sexton, Cooper Webb, Ken Roczen, and Justin Barcia all won main events this year.  Four of those guys are some of the oldest...

Eli Tomac, Chase Sexton, Cooper Webb, Ken Roczen, and Justin Barcia all won main events this year. 

Four of those guys are some of the oldest in the class. 

Sexton 24

Webb 28

Tomac 31

Plessinger 27 turns 28 January 25.

Cianciarulo 27

Ferrandis 29

Wilson 31

Jett 20

Bogle 30 turns 31 March 23.

Anderson 30 turns 31 February 17.

Stewart 31

Craig 32

Cooper 26 

Nichols 29 turns 30 March 22.

Hill 28 turns 29 May 7.

Barcia 31 turns 32 March 25.

Roczen 29 turns 30 April 29.

Hunter 24

The 450 class isn't exactly stacked with young talent. 

ando wrote:

Oldest 450 field ever?  3 guys under 25 and only one under 24?

I've not looked into it, but it looks like it could be.  I reckon it's a function of riders living in the 250 class for ever, plus better nutrition, training and so on allowing 450 riders to extend their careers. 

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Excited for the new season and the most interesting aspect will be the pecking order. Generally In SX you see a double pyramid setup. This year will be different and the positioning is more blurred than ever. Talent is meeting tenacity, and Mr Miagi 

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pilotmech wrote:

Interesting......I usually skip LCQ's in the highlights recap. 

crusty_xx wrote:
LCQ with Chiz, Nichols, Starling, Bloss, Noren, Cartwright, Clason, Josh Hill, Wilson, Mcelrath, Harlan, Moranz. 12 guys that are used to making the main pretty much...

LCQ with Chiz, Nichols, Starling, Bloss, Noren, Cartwright, Clason, Josh Hill, Wilson, Mcelrath, Harlan, Moranz. 12 guys that are used to making the main pretty much every week. Only 4 can make it through.

Boomslang wrote:

Is Josh Hill racing? 

No. 

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Sully wrote:

So everyone but those 4 dudes is only out there to cash checks? You’re not making your goofy take any better you know. 

Nighttrain wrote:
They’re all out there to cash checks so my take isn’t really valid and is goofy.  I believe the field isn’t that deep in speed for...

They’re all out there to cash checks so my take isn’t really valid and is goofy.  I believe the field isn’t that deep in speed for 2024.  There are a lot of experienced riders with strong resumes’ who are at the end of their careers and no longer as fast as they used to be on a Supercross track. Tomac and Webb are exceptions. I stand by the rest.

Herr Lich wrote:
I think Webb is pretty much done in terms of winning races.  He can't match the speed of the new breed, is on a new bike...

I think Webb is pretty much done in terms of winning races.  He can't match the speed of the new breed, is on a new bike, and is probably still relatively out of shape. 

I dunno…you’re tossing out one of the few riders that won last year…and on a bike he HATED…plus took 2nd SIX TIMES…finished 3rd over-all in 2023 and seems to like his new team and bike…? 
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Spoonguy wrote:
1985 was the deepest field of potential winners and champs. Ward, Glover, Lechien, Rick Johnson, Johny Omara, Mark Barnett, David Bailey, Keith Bowen, Bob Hannah, Scott...

1985 was the deepest field of potential winners and champs. Ward, Glover, Lechien, Rick Johnson, Johny Omara, Mark Barnett, David Bailey, Keith Bowen, Bob Hannah, Scott Burnworth, Goat Breker. Eight different winners in an eleven race series, the championship could have gone a lot of different ways going into the final race. Nobody won more than two races that year, you literally never knew who would win. Last year was 17(?) races with 5 winners, and realistically you could pick between three riders every race who could win? Logically it really doesn't look like there could be more than five winners this year either, maybe as few as three. Sexton Anderson Ferrandis and Webb may have trouble with new bikes, Tomac coming back from injury, and a lot of those riders on this year's current list are never going to be close to winning. All are great riders, maybe former champs, but competing for wins or podiums this year....I don't know.

-MAVERICK- wrote:
There were five winners this year (Tomac, Sexton, Webb, Roczen, and Barcia). Plessinger had a win up until he made a silly mistake.  Anderson can win...

There were five winners this year (Tomac, Sexton, Webb, Roczen, and Barcia).

Plessinger had a win up until he made a silly mistake. 

Anderson can win races. 

Add Jett and you're now up to eight riders that could potentially win a main event in 2024. 

Cianciarulo, Stewart, and Ferrandis are potential main event winners. 

You're now up to eleven riders that can/could win a main event. 

There are twenty-two gates and you can make a legitimate case that half the field could win a main event. It doesn't mean it's going to happen, and statistics proves that, but the field is deep. 

These things are always relative.  Anyone on the gate could theoretically win a race - provided all the people that are better than them weren't there.  You could have 22 supercross champions on the gate (a deep field) but it would still be two or three winning all the races with a maximum of two random winners thrown in.  I think a field is deep when there are a lot of great riders on the gate - like this year - rather than on how many could potentially win a race.  An example of a weak field was the tail end of the 23 season.  It seemed that local C riders on quads were getting into the mains by the end of the season. 

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Nighttrain wrote:
They’re all out there to cash checks so my take isn’t really valid and is goofy.  I believe the field isn’t that deep in speed for...

They’re all out there to cash checks so my take isn’t really valid and is goofy.  I believe the field isn’t that deep in speed for 2024.  There are a lot of experienced riders with strong resumes’ who are at the end of their careers and no longer as fast as they used to be on a Supercross track. Tomac and Webb are exceptions. I stand by the rest.

Herr Lich wrote:
I think Webb is pretty much done in terms of winning races.  He can't match the speed of the new breed, is on a new bike...

I think Webb is pretty much done in terms of winning races.  He can't match the speed of the new breed, is on a new bike, and is probably still relatively out of shape. 

TeamGreen wrote:
I dunno…you’re tossing out one of the few riders that won last year…and on a bike he HATED…plus took 2nd SIX TIMES…finished 3rd over-all in 2023...

I dunno…you’re tossing out one of the few riders that won last year…and on a bike he HATED…plus took 2nd SIX TIMES…finished 3rd over-all in 2023 and seems to like his new team and bike…? 
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I am of belief that Cooper will not win a race as well. Here is my thoughts on it…. 
Cooper apparently did not like the Ktm snd yes he won a race and we know what happened. But speed is largest enemy and we now have a few more players that are just as consistent as him with more speed. So in my eyes he simply will not be a title threat nor a race win threat. Another to look at is Sexton and the ktm. I look forward to watching all of the small things play out. If I am right or wrong it does not matter. I am a fan either way 😎

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I have no clue how the season will turning out but I m confident with the fact that AP gonna win a race. I will pray for this to help. 

Rough end of the year for me. I really need my SX medecine back ASAP. 

 

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Zycki11 wrote:
Excited for the new season and the most interesting aspect will be the pecking order. Generally In SX you see a double pyramid setup. This year...

Excited for the new season and the most interesting aspect will be the pecking order. Generally In SX you see a double pyramid setup. This year will be different and the positioning is more blurred than ever. Talent is meeting tenacity, and Mr Miagi 

I still think Jett and chase will be in a league of there own with Jett being slightly faster. I know one thing, it will be almost impossible to crash first turn and make the podium. You would have to pass a lot of champions. That’s  really what I mean by deep field. I didn’t mean a few guys wouldn’t separate themselves. 

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Spoonguy wrote:
1985 was the deepest field of potential winners and champs. Ward, Glover, Lechien, Rick Johnson, Johny Omara, Mark Barnett, David Bailey, Keith Bowen, Bob Hannah, Scott...

1985 was the deepest field of potential winners and champs. Ward, Glover, Lechien, Rick Johnson, Johny Omara, Mark Barnett, David Bailey, Keith Bowen, Bob Hannah, Scott Burnworth, Goat Breker. Eight different winners in an eleven race series, the championship could have gone a lot of different ways going into the final race. Nobody won more than two races that year, you literally never knew who would win. Last year was 17(?) races with 5 winners, and realistically you could pick between three riders every race who could win? Logically it really doesn't look like there could be more than five winners this year either, maybe as few as three. Sexton Anderson Ferrandis and Webb may have trouble with new bikes, Tomac coming back from injury, and a lot of those riders on this year's current list are never going to be close to winning. All are great riders, maybe former champs, but competing for wins or podiums this year....I don't know.

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There were five winners this year (Tomac, Sexton, Webb, Roczen, and Barcia). Plessinger had a win up until he made a silly mistake.  Anderson can win...

There were five winners this year (Tomac, Sexton, Webb, Roczen, and Barcia).

Plessinger had a win up until he made a silly mistake. 

Anderson can win races. 

Add Jett and you're now up to eight riders that could potentially win a main event in 2024. 

Cianciarulo, Stewart, and Ferrandis are potential main event winners. 

You're now up to eleven riders that can/could win a main event. 

There are twenty-two gates and you can make a legitimate case that half the field could win a main event. It doesn't mean it's going to happen, and statistics proves that, but the field is deep. 

Herr Lich wrote:
These things are always relative.  Anyone on the gate could theoretically win a race - provided all the people that are better than them weren't there. ...

These things are always relative.  Anyone on the gate could theoretically win a race - provided all the people that are better than them weren't there.  You could have 22 supercross champions on the gate (a deep field) but it would still be two or three winning all the races with a maximum of two random winners thrown in.  I think a field is deep when there are a lot of great riders on the gate - like this year - rather than on how many could potentially win a race.  An example of a weak field was the tail end of the 23 season.  It seemed that local C riders on quads were getting into the mains by the end of the season. 

Can you list the name of the local C quad guys? Such a terrible take when any of these guys would clean up at a non-ama pro super cross yet you want to for some reason try to belittle their skills 🙄

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That list is old racer heavy.  Strong resumes’ of riders at the end of their careers turning laps to cash checks.  There are 4 fast riders...

That list is old racer heavy.  Strong resumes’ of riders at the end of their careers turning laps to cash checks.  There are 4 fast riders, same as always. 

Sully wrote:

Barcia’s the oldest dude on that list, followed by Eli. You really think those 2 are ‘turning laps to cash checks?’ Pretty goofy take. 

Nighttrain wrote:
Jett, Webb, Tomac, and Sexton. Who else is going to win a Main? Ferrandis is probably my favorite rider of the last 20 years so I...

Jett, Webb, Tomac, and Sexton. Who else is going to win a Main? Ferrandis is probably my favorite rider of the last 20 years so I hope I’m wrong about him. It’s the same every year if you’ve been watching the sport for a while. “Deepest field ever…” until gates start dropping.

This is true.

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Think about the potential chaos in a LCQ if Friese is in there.

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12/26/2023 9:29pm

Lot of privateers lately have said they go 450 because it pays better. If guys keep staying in it longer like this that will stop being true and I think we'll see a lot more privateers staying in 250 and overall less room for younger talent that isn't in factory team pipeline. 

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12/26/2023 9:35pm
truck wrote:
Lot of privateers lately have said they go 450 because it pays better. If guys keep staying in it longer like this that will stop being...

Lot of privateers lately have said they go 450 because it pays better. If guys keep staying in it longer like this that will stop being true and I think we'll see a lot more privateers staying in 250 and overall less room for younger talent that isn't in factory team pipeline. 

There is also the cost factor of building a competitive 250 which makes the decision to go 450 much easier.

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-MAVERICK- wrote:
There were five winners this year (Tomac, Sexton, Webb, Roczen, and Barcia). Plessinger had a win up until he made a silly mistake.  Anderson can win...

There were five winners this year (Tomac, Sexton, Webb, Roczen, and Barcia).

Plessinger had a win up until he made a silly mistake. 

Anderson can win races. 

Add Jett and you're now up to eight riders that could potentially win a main event in 2024. 

Cianciarulo, Stewart, and Ferrandis are potential main event winners. 

You're now up to eleven riders that can/could win a main event. 

There are twenty-two gates and you can make a legitimate case that half the field could win a main event. It doesn't mean it's going to happen, and statistics proves that, but the field is deep. 

Herr Lich wrote:
These things are always relative.  Anyone on the gate could theoretically win a race - provided all the people that are better than them weren't there. ...

These things are always relative.  Anyone on the gate could theoretically win a race - provided all the people that are better than them weren't there.  You could have 22 supercross champions on the gate (a deep field) but it would still be two or three winning all the races with a maximum of two random winners thrown in.  I think a field is deep when there are a lot of great riders on the gate - like this year - rather than on how many could potentially win a race.  An example of a weak field was the tail end of the 23 season.  It seemed that local C riders on quads were getting into the mains by the end of the season. 

yak651 wrote:
Can you list the name of the local C quad guys? Such a terrible take when any of these guys would clean up at a non-ama...

Can you list the name of the local C quad guys? Such a terrible take when any of these guys would clean up at a non-ama pro super cross yet you want to for some reason try to belittle their skills 🙄

Exactly.  Anybody making an SX main will destroy the absolute fastest local guys at any track.  You should see how fast a guy like Josh Cartwright is for example at a normal track against "A" riders.

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