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I love it when the Etards have to make 5+ paragraph responses to justify everything.
Look, fella. I'm sure you're a good guy and I don't have anything against you. But you're going a little overboard with some of your recent posts. It almost looks like you're playing Business Buzzword Bingo at times. In one post alone, you covered the following squares:
eyeballs
content
coordinated
experience
gatekeepers
celebrating
transitioning
demographic
opportunity
Holycow, y’all are actually not smart.
Harley is dying on the vine because they can’t get the next generation to buy their bikes and their customer base is dying off. With all the kids just wanting to sit at home and play on the interweb, we should support anything that opens the door to our sport. If you hate Sur Ron’s and e-bikes so much, stop replying to the thread and let it die. I wish the term “moron” was acceptable, because I would use it to describe some people……
Learn more about e bikes. I say we learn more about people who went all in paid full boat and still don’t have a Stark. That would be something to lean……as in what not to do!
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Gas is dead....
LOL
Yeah that's kinda how it works when you have real arguments to support your statements, you should try it someday.
I’m in full support of transitions a new generation and a market of potential riders into the sport…
And big words that luddites get emasculated by.
Hint: It’s not working
That's all a terrible misunderstanding.
I've taken as a hobby to push back against some of the BS spread around here but this is not meant as an answer to the ones spreading said BS. Even less trying to change their mind. I know full well some don't bother with facts to make up their mind.
Oh, it's more than a hobby. A hobby is why most of us are here. All your activity is centered on one aspect, trying to instill the vargs superiority. An example is the zealots keep bringing up the success of EV's as a positive for the varg. When they get pushed back by the negatives they resort to the same old BS of calling it BS and saying you can't compare them to the varg. That is the very definition of propaganda.
The problem is not the varg, it's the folks pushing it. If it is truly as good as you claim why not let the free market decide. They already did on the automotive side in spite of all the agenda's/propaganda and free money.
55 years ago the people racing Triumphs in the desert made fun of the ring ding ding 2 strokes. The 2 strokes were a better race tool. Same is for the e bikes, they are a better race tool. That is why the big five and the AMA are going to try to block technology while keeping their little pathetic kingdoms while they can. The hypocrisy of these manufactures and the AMA. It is ok for electronic launch control, traction control, electronic monitoring of suspension, etc from the guilty parties. 98% of the motocross bikes sold don't have to conform to the 250,450 rules. So the big 5 are going to loose a huge market share, just like what KTM did to the big 4 15 years ago. Too bad KTM has become another manufacture afraid of real competition from the free market. These big 5 hide behind the AMA.
QED, thanks for making my point.
I don't care about electric cars nor their sales numbers, it has nothing to do with the Varg, indeed I would like to talk about electric bikes which was the aim of this thread (so sorry JM), the electric cars BS is becoming tiring, I do not understand why your lot keeps bringing this up nor your obsession with stating EV sales are tanking when it's demonstrably false.
Please do keep banging about it like you have not seen real EV sales data anywhere on the web or even on page 4 of this very same thread. Again, EV sales and market share have multiplied by 5 in the past 3 years, like it or not, that's not propaganda, that's a fact. And it adds nothing to the conversation about electric bikes. I had even included a graph in case words were not your thing.
Please go on calling propaganda when the real world interferes with your delusions, your lack of self awareness is abysmal but also quite funny in its own way.
4 strokes flourished because they are given the unfair advantage of being not required to adhere to displacement. Stark is looking to do the same thing with the varg by doing an end around on the ICE requirements. Is the AMA going to make the same mistake twice?
Just when I thought all the people with lucid brains had left the party - you show up. To say the very least, I'm grateful.
I think I'll make a point here. Let's say you're a dad with a kid who wants to race like you once did, before the potential for injuries due to crashing made it too risky. Let's also say that the crash you used to fear most was the one you saw happening far too often, which is the one caused by the bike finding a false neutral on a jump face (and if you've ever attended a race or watched the sport on television, you know this is an all-too-common type of crash, one that even the sport's top pros are helpless against).
Then you learn there's a new bike out there that has no transmission, thereby making the possibility for that type of crash a moot point. So tell me then, are you NOT going to opt for that bike for your son? Of course you are. And it is THIS that will seal the fate of ICE.
The future is like the ocean, and the ICE OEMs are like the Titanic on its maiden voyage. They're all having a fine time in the dining room right now, sipping champaign and enjoying their duck a' l'orange while they smugly bask in the knowledge of how unfailingly loyal their customer base is. Trouble is, they'll soon be learning they're in for a night that will completely upend that smugness - if it hasn't already.
So you think the main reason folks are staying on the coach is because they are afraid of hitting false neutral? LMAO. Maybe Stark should have invented the one stroke if they wanted to go racing.
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Look, numbnut, I've already told you I think your brain swims in the shallow end of the pool and thus it would be beneath me to engage you, and none of the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of posts you've created since since what - yesterday? - has altered my opinion in the slightest. Thus, you may snatch-and-grab these comically under-thought memes about my comments as an attempt at facilitating a rebuttal from me all you want.
It just ain't gonna happen.
To quote a certain movie, to me, you're like lint or a bottle cap.
So your answer is yes...
This whole argument is dumb
If you don't want an electric bike, don't buy one.
If you want to keep riding ice, you will still be able to ride them.
Technological advancement will continue despite attempts to stay in the past.
Remember when phones were connected to wires?
Remember leaded gas?
Horse and buggy?
Chariots?
Either welcome new tech or get left in the loud, smelly, high maintenance dust.
Sure, there are limitations to the tech...but the same can be said for ice.
It's all motocross
Just ride what you got!
Pierer Mobility and Bajaj Auto own the KTM group (KTM, Husqvarna, GasGas), they only make motorbikes, they have the most to fear from Stark, Honda, Yamaha,, Kawasaki and Suzuki make more money from other products.
KTM will do everything they can to stop Stark competing.
They are not stopping Stark from anything. If they want to compete all they have to do is build a bike to the rules like Triumph and Ducati.
Stark built a bike that met the SuperEnduro rules, the same rules put in to allow the KTM FreeRide to compete, then the FIM changed the rules the day before the first race of the season!
KTM will continue to defend their market share.
Don't ever count your chickens before they are hatched.
So you would be OK, if the day before an event, the AMA or the FIM changed the rules, so no bike with a brand name starting in "K" could compete!
I think you are getting a bit desperate if " a false neutral" is the best excuse you can come up with in favour of a Stark !
For about a 100 years of motorcycle racing the world has managed to cope with the rare occasional false neutral, without it being a major problem.
What are you going to do when you are riding a Stark at the limit of it's battery range, and it suddenly goes into limp mode ?
Or worse still, instantly shuts down to protect the battery ?
Surely, in your mind , that would be just as dangerous as a "false neutral"
The existing rules where for supporting a 25HP E-bike. I don't condone the way it went down but I think they got it right.
The rule was created to support KTM's FreeRide, it did not state a hp limit.
Not only that but you have to be brain dead to think HP=results in Endurocross
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