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I may be talking out of my ass here... so take it with a grain of hauled in sand for the track.
it was an example to prove a point. Leave the message board nonsense for us to all hash it out, people like Larry or James, Reed, Roger, RC, should never post here. You are certainly not able to say something that will please everyone.
Expecting to be treated different from any other poster.
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I think a lot of times people within the industry, rider, managers, if they do post something, they expect to be treated different because they are in the position they are in and may know more than what has been posted, or said somewhere. I don;t think they are condescending but speak with a more "i know" type of attitude that is taken as condescending.
It takes time on a message board to understand people's posting style and to get an overall feel. It can easily spiral out of control to just jump in with guns blazing!
SHOULD guys like Larry be treated different than any other poster though? Should his opinion or statements hold more value because of who he is and what he has done?
Even if he should it doesn't matter though. You will still have some that are tough guys behind a keyboard that can take shots at whoever with any consequence or PR nightmares! It doesn't matter who posts....
That doesn't mean he's evil or a bad friend/father/husband or team manager, dude got serious skills, just that he's lacking some insight and social skills...
Totally just saying of course.
Sure Larry says and does things that aren't right, but we all do, so I look past the little things. If [some] of you guys ever checked into his racing history you would understand why he feels he should be treated differently. That's what you expect when you work harder, go faster, and sacrafice more than just about anybody.
Which is the attitude you'd expect from a team manager, no?
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Regis, This is what I was referring to...
Carry on.
When he gives his opinion on what a rider was thinking or doing, then no, his opinion is as valid as anyone else on the board. He is not a mind reader, just like any of us.
Another problem with giving LBs opinion over others is it is not balanced. His opinion will always, 100% of the time be swayed by his position.
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Yes, people should defer at times to or at least respond respectfully someone who is in a responsible position to know who bothers to show up and make a record, and does so intelligently and respectfully himself.
That said, you can't eliminate the relatively small proportion of the internet posters who will talk crap to anyone, and especially to someone in a public role if they have a chance to do so. I don't know what it is that makes those people click, but they are there and if someone in the game can't let that crap roll off his back then it's better not to post.
With respect to Larry Brooks, he's obviously a very accomplished guy, and some of the people who know him attest that he's a great guy. I also think he's willing to be provocative and take the public lead on controversial issues involving his team in order to take the attention off his racers and put it on himself, which is legitimate. It also means people will react to that.
He's also very opinionated when he posts, and has in the past slung with the best of them on the boards, and if you're going to give, you have to be prepared to take. He's also posted stuff that was internally contradictory, didn't makes sense, or was obviously self-serving or disingenuous. That stuff is fair game whether you're in the industry or not. If I post something that doesn't make sense, people call me on it.
And sometimes peoples' opinions simply differ. Some of the best exchanges on the boards are when people trade opinions and arguments in good faith even if they don't agree. Larry has actually gotten some very good feedback from people here and on MT from people who don't agree with him but make their points respectfully. But he doesn't seem to distinguish between the asses and the people who simply disagree and explain why in reasonable rational ways. And then he'll get on MXA or Matthes's podcast or some other interview and act butt hurt about it. In that respect, he shouldn't expect to be treated different from any other person who posts.
He's not the only guy in the industry that loses perspective over the weight of a handful on people on the boards who are spiteful and malicious. I'm amazed when you hear riders complaining about it and having their view of the fans colored by 10 asses on the internet when the people who line up for autographs on race day are a much better barometer of fan sentiment and support. The worst thing you can do with the trolls is acknowledge them.
All I was saying is that it might be a result of the kind of attitude you have to have to be a manager. Somebody who can't turn off the authoritative behavior when they are in a different setting than the "manager employee" is going to rub people the wrong way.
2) In regards to Regis' question about handling "those who may be in the know," I don't think there is anything wrong in asking follow up questions. Just because Mr X says it, doesn't make it gospel. At the same time, one would think that anyone reading what Mr X says would have enough sense to take it from the position of someone who is in the know more than they are.
Then you have people, who I have spoken about before, who get some kind of orgasmic experience by playing tough guy to someone in the industry, so after they're done telling off Mr X and jerking off to it, they run to their buddies and talk about how bad ass they are because they told off Mr X and called him a "dickwad," then they all high five and talk about how tough they all are. BTW, they're also the same people who ask for an autograph from Mr X at the races and never mention his "online persona" to him.
Edit: It was in paragraphs..
Pipe down. Did I strike a nerve? I never specifically called anyone out,
For the record, I don't know James and I haven't talked to Larry in years. But yes, when you have no accountability for your name on a message board (only screen name) and you can spew anything without any reprocussions (and people do) then yeah I think people can be a little tough "guy-ish" from time to time. YOU'RE RIGHT!!! As I have agreed with many other people. It is only a message board! It does get quite comical from time to time for both ends.
BTW- What are you really mad at? Paying for internet radio? LOL.
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